911 (997) Turbo upgraded and tuned by DMS - excellent result

[Isysman]

Hi all,

I'm pretty nervous of posting here as some can be brutal!

Anyway wanted to share my video with you. Took my car to DMS in Southampton last week and had a series of mods done to my car. This included:

Kline Innovation exhaust system with 200 cell cats
BMC air filter
GT2RS INtercoolers
And finally a DMS remap followed by runs on their dyno.

I'm sure you'll agree I got good results!

http://youtu.be/VoLiNAyysbY

Anyone tell me how to embed YouTube videos?

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 11:09

[Adam B]

mind me asking what each bit cost?

does it bring the turbo kick in earlier or just increase the size of the kick?

[s3nick]

Isysman said:

Hi all,

I'm pretty nervous of posting here as some can be brutal!

Anyway wanted to share my video with you. Took my car to DMS in Southampton last week and had a series of mods done to my car. This included:

Kline Innovation exhaust system with 200 cell cats
BMC air filter
GT2RS INtercoolers
And finally a DMS remap followed by runs on their dyno.

I'm sure you'll agree I got good results!

http://youtu.be/VoLiNAyysbY

Anyone tell me how to embed YouTube videos?

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 11:09

Ok so you got 620hp with stock turbos?

[Pixelpeep]

Isysman said:

Hi all,

I'm pretty nervous of posting here as some can be brutal!

Anyway wanted to share my video with you. Took my car to DMS in Southampton last week and had a series of mods done to my car. This included:

Kline Innovation exhaust system with 200 cell cats
BMC air filter
GT2RS INtercoolers
And finally a DMS remap followed by runs on their dyno.

I'm sure you'll agree I got good results!

http://youtu.be/VoLiNAyysbY

Anyone tell me how to embed YouTube videos?

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 11:09

That car looked like it was gonna pop right off the rollers at one point

Bloke inside the car = big nuts.

[IMI A]

Love the wheels. How much did the wheel upgrade cost with CL if you do not mind me asking?

Back to the dyno result, Have you upgraded the turbos too? If not 621bhp highly unlikely on stock vtgs -very good independent test here http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/media/pdf/performance-rev... of DMS vs others but you'll note even with upgraded DMS VTG turbos DMS are only claiming 605bhp. DMS advertise a kit with upgraded turbos for about £10k + vat but no mention of new turbos in your first post. On stock turbos anywhere between 530-550bhp possible with a remap and zorst.

0-300kph for stock car is 40 secs. You need to go to Brunters VMAX and see what your car does. 620bhp should be good for 30-35 secs I guess depending on conditions. Enjoy!!!

[s3nick]

TB993tt said:

Great vid, thanks for putting it together.

Your car as standard for an 8 second 4th gear run measures ~470hp on that dyno with the cooling they are using

Your car with remap for an 8 second 4th gear run measures 621hp on that dyno with the cooling they are using

Your car as standard in a 20+ second run up through 6th gear up to 190mph will produce its 470hp at power peak

Your car with remap in a 20+ second run in through 6th gear up to 190mph will not produce 621hp at peak power

Standard 997 turbo VTGs on 99 RON UK fuel are good for about 560 hp for your full load runs so you see your hp is not comparable with Porsche numbers.

Very true. Good info Toby.

I must also agree that it is a great vid.

[Isysman]

Interesting. I've gone back to DMS to see what they make of your information. I read the article, very interesting also, would suggest the figures are somewhat optimistic. Hopefully I'll get clarification. If not I'll have it put on another rolling road and see what power output it comes up with.

[Isysman]

Adam B said:

mind me asking what each bit cost?

does it bring the turbo kick in earlier or just increase the size of the kick?

The kick comes at about 3,000 rpm like a kick up the arse. Much more aggressive than before. It accelerates so fast now that my speedo seems to have trouble keeping up! The beep I have set at 95mph sounds whilst the speedo still reads 91mph! (On a closed track of course!) a second later the image pops up with 95 in the circle!

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 22:02

[RAWENG]

I fitted the Kline innovation to my 997.1T and am very pleased with it, the engine is much more responsive and the exhaust makes a nice sound without being too noisy. £1800 inc vat for the exhaust is good value, re map £350

[Isysman]

IMI A said:

Love the wheels. How much did the wheel upgrade cost with CL if you do not mind me asking?

Back to the dyno result, Have you upgraded the turbos too? If not 621bhp highly unlikely on stock vtgs -very good independent test here http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/media/pdf/performance-rev... of DMS vs others but you'll note even with upgraded DMS VTG turbos DMS are only claiming 605bhp. DMS advertise a kit with upgraded turbos for about £10k + vat but no mention of new turbos in your first post. On stock turbos anywhere between 530-550bhp possible with a remap and zorst.

0-300kph for stock car is 40 secs. You need to go to Brunters VMAX and see what your car does. 620bhp should be good for 30-35 secs I guess depending on conditions. Enjoy!!!

Conversion kit available from Porsche for 997 turbo only. If your car has PCCBs it's £1200 if not it costs more because you have to change the discs (which are included in that kit). Not sure how much that kit costs.

Labour for fitting was 11 hours labour. I had it done at OPC Wilmslow, and believe it or not they were cheaper than independents. Also wanted OPC to carry out work so they couldn't try to say it wasn't done properly if I ever had any issues with the car relating to the CLs.

Then of course there's the cost of the wheels!

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 22:00

[Isysman]

RAWENG said:

I fitted the Kline innovation to my 997.1T and am very pleased with it, the engine is much more responsive and the exhaust makes a nice sound without being too noisy. £1800 inc vat for the exhaust is good value, re map £350

Yeah it sounds great the Kline. Where did you buy it for that price? I thought they were about £2,100?

[_gez_]

Isysman said:

Interesting. I've gone back to DMS to see what they make of your information. I read the article, very interesting also, would suggest the figures are somewhat optimistic. Hopefully I'll get clarification. If not I'll have it put on another rolling road and see what power output it comes up with.

Don't get hung up on the numbers. I'm sure at the outset you didn't ask DMS for 621hp but you asked for a remap. You can be certain that you have a remapped car and so long as you are happy with how it goes on the road then just be happy. Don't waste your money on further rolling road sessions.

[Isysman]

_gez_ said:

Don't get hung up on the numbers. I'm sure at the outset you didn't ask DMS for 621hp but you asked for a remap. You can be certain that you have a remapped car and so long as you are happy with how it goes on the road then just be happy. Don't waste your money on further rolling road sessions.

I know what you mean but I'm writing a couple of articles on the work for two different magazines so I need to have accurate numbers. It's certainly a lot faster than before so I'm completely happy with it regardless.

[Adam B]

RAWENG said:

I fitted the Kline innovation to my 997.1T and am very pleased with it, the engine is much more responsive and the exhaust makes a nice sound without being too noisy. £1800 inc vat for the exhaust is good value, re map £350

Hi how does that price compare to the other options? And who did the remap for £350? Suspect DMS is more like £1k

[Isysman]

Adam B said:

Hi how does that price compare to the other options? And who did the remap for £350? Suspect DMS is more like £1k

Yes the remap at £350 doesn't sound right. DMS remap is £1500 which seems to be in line with other tuning companies I've researched.

Some of the exhausts I've seen are as much as £4,000 Tech9 in Liverpool charges £3,800 for their exhaust but I think it's switchable but still not worth twice the money. The a Kline system is beautiful as well, great engineering.

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 23:36

[s3nick]

Isysman said:

Yes the remap at £350 doesn't sound right. DMS remap is £1500 which seems to be in line with other tuning companies I've researched.

Some of the exhausts I've seen are as much as £4,000 Tech9 in Liverpool charges £3,800 for their exhaust but I think it's switchable but still not worth twice the money. The a Kline system is beautiful as well, great engineering.

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 23:36

Unfortunately the Kline is not a great exhaust system I have seen pictures of their cheap cats falling apart on other forums so be aware hence why they are cheaper than other systems because proper cats cost a lot of money. Also a £350 remap is asking for trouble.

[Isysman]

s3nick said:

Unfortunately the Kline is not a great exhaust system I have seen pictures of their cheap cats falling apart on other forums so be aware hence why they are cheaper than other systems because proper cats cost a lot of money. Also a £350 remap is asking for trouble.

Interesting, do you have any links? I did quite a bit of research on these exhausts but never found any threads about stuff falling apart. Their exhausts are made from 304 grade stainless steel and are TUV approved. Also they make a system from Inconel, which is used to make turbine blades in jet engines and F1 cars have their exhausts made from it. These exhausts come with a 99 year warranty!

Also could have been early exhausts. Doesn't mean they have the same problems now. I read on a few forums that owners of GT3s had their cars bursting into flames. I'm sure that doesn't mean they all will.

[s3nick]

Isysman said:

Interesting, do you have any links? I did quite a bit of research on these exhausts but never found any threads about stuff falling apart. Their exhausts are made from 304 grade stainless steel and are TUV approved. Also they make a system from Inconel, which is used to make turbine blades in jet engines and F1 cars have their exhausts made from it. These exhausts come with a 99 year warranty!

I will try and find it for you but I have seen it on 6speedonline if you want to take a look. Inconel anyone can buy Inconel so this does not mean anything to me.

[Isysman]

s3nick said:

I will try and find it for you but I have seen it on 6speedonline if you want to take a look. Inconel anyone can buy Inconel so this does not mean anything to me.

Anyone can buy pretty much any material, it's what they make it into that is the hard part. As far as I know they are the only exhaust manufacturer making Inconel exhausts systems for Porsche. And those systems are in line with the price of stainless systems by other companies. They also make titanium if people want them.

[Adam B]

Isysman said:

Yes the remap at £350 doesn't sound right. DMS remap is £1500 which seems to be in line with other tuning companies I've researched.

Some of the exhausts I've seen are as much as £4,000 Tech9 in Liverpool charges £3,800 for their exhaust but I think it's switchable but still not worth twice the money. The a Kline system is beautiful as well, great engineering.

Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 13th May 23:36

Hmmm can't justify spending that sort of money on an exhaust. Almost 10% of the cars value. The remap prices are also a bit of a joke considering they are generic AFAIK (provided car is running ok as stock), and R&D cost well covered by now - seem to suffer from Porsche tax

Presume a remap is just plug in and upload, no soldering of ECU?