991 GTS Must haves

991 GTS Must haves

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Jd27

105 posts

145 months

Sunday 25th June 2017
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Wow, looks fantastic in that green. Really suits the car.

Gone for Miami Blue this time which I love, but next time round I'd be tempted with that green (is yellow green???). Car currently at KDS Keltec for a detail and crystal serum ceramic coating

Palmball

1,267 posts

173 months

Sunday 25th June 2017
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Thanks for the amazing comments guys, very kind of you all.

Must admit, I have been a pig in sh!t this weekend and am VERY impressed with how this things drives.

I'm not sure if time is clouding my memory (it's been a few months since I threw the R8 back at Audi, and therefore a while since I've driven something high-end) but I can't remember any of my previous cars driving quite this well dynamically. The steering, the body control and the sheer purchase this car has on tarmac is outstanding. I don't remember feeling the R8, or my top AMG's (GT-S and SLS before that) feeling anything like as impressive, specifically in the area of dynamics.

Now, I have a question for the more experience Porsche people amongst you. Now, behave yourselves and don't laugh.....

I spec'd PDCC. Rightly or wrongly, I just like the feel of not having body roll - I'm a simple person you see, and this admittedly artificial sensation makes me feel a better driver laugh

Anyway, I have the button on the centre console which says PDCC. I assumed this was to turn the PDCC system on and off, something I must admit I thought a bit odd. What this button does is make the solid ride even harder, so it seems to be more related to PASM. Indeed, in a non-PDCC car, this would be the PASM normal or sport button.

However, it seems to me that the car has zero body roll in the standard (I won't call it soft!) setting so my thoughts are that, regardless of the PDCC naming of the button, the PDCC is always working and this button simply controls the PASM damper stiffness. Is this other peoples understanding?



BishBosh said:
Andrew,
Looks fabulous. Love the carmine red with black. I had a 981 Boxter GTS in this colour combo and was also really pleased with the depth of colour with the contrasting black.
Good to hear the sound system is worth the upgrade and hearing your comments on not having the lifting system is good news for me as I have specced it alas to the detriment of some leather upgrades, which do look good in your pictures.

Lovely lovely car. Congratulations on taking delivery and happy driving.....??

Mark.

Ps. Cool front number plate!
Pps. Did you pay Porsche for the key covers?
Ppps. See you went for keyless entry, how is this?. Did you also go for adaptive cruise control?

Edited by BishBosh on Saturday 24th June 12:44
Thanks Mark.

Yes Porsche gave me a key cover as a gift, mainly because I forgot to spec it. When spec'd from the factory you get a leather fob for the key which I wasn't bothered about. Even if the dealer didn't gift it to me, it still would've been cheaper to get the painted key part as an accessory afterwards.

And yes, keyless and adaptive are present getmecoat

Keyless works well, it always opens the car and the boot opens by holding your hand over the front bumper. The fake key to start it is a bit odd as it feels no different to using an actual key.

Adaptive cruise is OK at best. I only spec it because you can barely use normal cruise on our heavily trafficked roads. It works well enough in the many average speed roadworks we have, but I wouldn't say it's the best radar system I've used (Mercedes' system is much better). It's all a bit abrupt at slowing down and then takes it's time to speed up again.

What Porsche lack is a speed limit function which I much prefer to cruise in average speed governed zones. Set the limit to 58mph and drive normally up to that point without worrying about going over.


Taffy66 said:
Mine is GT silver and i love it, however yours is by far the most stunning example i've yet seen esp with yellow Pccbs.Mine cost £107350 otr and i'm wondering would it be impertinent to ask how much yours was..Also what protection and detailing you've had done as it looks quite simply amazing...licksmokin
It's a bit embarrassing really as I obviously went to town with my trigger happy spec finger.

But cut me some slack as I did actually order a Turbo S in the first instance so in my head, the spend was originally a lot higher. By some miracle of man maths, I convinced myself I was saving money even on this spec of car laugh

In all seriousness, this is how I would've liked to spec a Turbo S but couldn't afford to do. So, in taking the more sensible base car I took the opportunity to make it just how I wanted it. Hopefully it makes me keep it for an appropriate length of time too.

The cost of the spec when I ordered it was £131k and whilst I'm expecting a deprecation disaster, it can't be any worse than my previous similarly priced R8 or AMG GT-S. I think value will be buoyed by the recent price rises which I thankfully swerved, as it takes my spec of car to over £136k. This argument can be applied to anyone who's recently taken delivery of a new Porsche and, to be fair, the car is going to get so many miles on it what will be will be.


Phooey said:
Wow.. looks amazing! Be interested to see if you keep this one for more than 4 weeks biggrin
Be fair now....I did have an R8 for over a year biggrin OK, maybe two of them, but that's only because they were sh!t. I reckon this 911 will do just fine in comparison.....


Tony 1234 said:
30 miles and no front plate? smile
I keep forgetting to put it one. Honestly.....;)


franki68 said:
Lovely car palmball ,love the carmine ...agree about your comments on the car.I was surprised the ride was very firm ,no more supple than the gt4 I just sold.
On the other hand that's what gives it that immense control .
It's certainly solid thats for sure. I got in my wife 718 earlier today (itself on -10mm sport suspension) and that felt like a pillow in comparison. The -20mm has to be the most aggressive Porsche setting outside of the GT cars, and I can't imagine they could be any firmer and still be drivable on the public road.



Randomer123 said:
Looks stunning Andrew, but I would say that as I've bought the same f**king car as you again!

Just picked mine up this morning, might have to get some of my own photos up. As for your review in contrast to the R8, I'd agree. The first and most important difference is that the missus adores the GTS, and loathed everything about the R8, so that is a great start.

As for the noise, I didn't expect it to be as loud as it is, nor did I expect it to feel quite as quick. I've put all of 12 miles on the clock, so not a fair review really, but what a brilliant car so far.

Coming from a 730HP GT-R, to a 610HP R8, to a 450HP GTS, you'd of thought I'd be wanting for more power, but honestly? On the road, this thing is far more engaging, fun, and better bloody looking than the previous two cars anyway, and I think that's what's arguably more important the end of the day; driving experience, not willy waggling about BHP.
Thanks. You obviously have exquisite taste thumbup

The noise is actually really great isn't it! I can't see why anyone would have issue with it, and driving it round this weekend I'd say it has easily as much about it (if not more) than the R8's V10, at least below 6k revs. It's a really satisfying and good quality howl which is accessible at many points in the rev range.

Totally agree on the power. The R8 was the fastest car I've had, but to be fair some of it's predecessors were not far behind (SLS and especially my last M6 Comp Pack come mind).

The reality is, on the road and in this country, you're only using a percentage the performance in those cars. The 911 is just as quick on the road, but because you're using a higher percentage of it's performance capability it can be more enjoyable as less restraint is needed and you get to exploit deeper into it's capabilities.

I reckon we'd only ever feel under-endowed if a 550bhp+ car came up beside us at the lights and it was vitally important to beat it!


Shiverman said:
Absolutely lovely looking car and superb options. That is one very serious detail you've had done - is it waxed or ceramic coating?

Loving the interior details and the PCCB's as well.
Thanks and yes, it's had Gtechniq Crystal Serum Black followed by a layer of Gtechniq Exo (the latter being a very hydrophobic product so nothing really sticks to it). I'm not actually sure they make it look any different, but they do make it very easy to clean.


mattf93 said:
I'd also want an alcantara wheel and stick or carbon wheel and stick. For me GTS steering wheel should be alcantara or carbon - hope thats not a weird thing to think? rofl

Palmball your GTS looks awesome - congrats driving
I like alcantara when it's new, and it's nice on seats. However, on a car that does 20k+ pa I just don't think it's practical or durable on any surface that you touch with skin (where the skins' natural oils eventually flatten and harden the alcantara surface).

Edited by Palmball on Sunday 25th June 23:10

Chris Stott

13,183 posts

196 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Carmine looks absolutely stunning... I'm not normally a fan of black wheels, but they look perfect. Great choice of spec.

2010spy

1,916 posts

163 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Palmball, where can I get this done? I live in Surrey (Guildford)

"Thanks and yes, it's had Gtechniq Crystal Serum Black followed by a layer of Gtechniq Exo (the latter being a very hydrophobic product so nothing really sticks to it). I'm not actually sure they make it look any different, but they do make it very easy to clean.




Edited by 2010spy on Monday 26th June 11:19

Randomer123

106 posts

171 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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2010spy said:
Palmball, where can I get this done? I live in Surrey (Guildford)

"Thanks and yes, it's had Gtechniq Crystal Serum Black followed by a layer of Gtechniq Exo (the latter being a very hydrophobic product so nothing really sticks to it). I'm not actually sure they make it look any different, but they do make it very easy to clean.




Edited by 2010spy on Monday 26th June 11:19
Second this, however I'm far closer to Leicester so would be interested to know who you used personally. Has this been coupled with PPF? I'm more interested in PPF on the front-end than ceramic coating at the mo!

Jd27

105 posts

145 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Randomer123 said:
Second this, however I'm far closer to Leicester so would be interested to know who you used personally. Has this been coupled with PPF? I'm more interested in PPF on the front-end than ceramic coating at the mo!
Mines at KDS Keltec in gillingham, Kent getting the crystal serum plus exo etc etc done at the moment. Not the cheapest but have a great reputation and the guys really really know their stuff. left it their for the week. Just 15 minutes off the m25

Palmball

1,267 posts

173 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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2010spy said:
Palmball, where can I get this done? I live in Surrey (Guildford)

"Thanks and yes, it's had Gtechniq Crystal Serum Black followed by a layer of Gtechniq Exo (the latter being a very hydrophobic product so nothing really sticks to it). I'm not actually sure they make it look any different, but they do make it very easy to clean.
Go on the Gtechniq website and under detailer services, search for you local approved detailer.

http://gtechniq.com/detailing-services/

Some of the larger approved detailers can also do PPF.

However, the recommendation below for KDS Keltic in Kent is a good one as they have a great reputation, and are not too far away from you. If I lived in the South East, I'd probably use them.




2010spy

1,916 posts

163 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Thanks, I spoke to them tonight and I'm booking in for a few weeks time.

Palmball

1,267 posts

173 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Randomer123 said:
Second this, however I'm far closer to Leicester so would be interested to know who you used personally. Has this been coupled with PPF? I'm more interested in PPF on the front-end than ceramic coating at the mo!
Bit of a story here.....which has culminated in me not having the car right now. I won't mention any names as I want to give the company the chance to get it right, and I believe looking at their impressive outfit, they will.

Normally I use the Derbyshire-based Gtechniq approved detailer for the coating, then Paintshield in Peterborough for the film. For the application of film, Paintshield are the nuts in my opinion.

However this time I thought I'd try a one-stop shop, another Gtechniq approved installer who also does film. They're more local than Peterborough too.

Unfortunately they said my car had a stone chip (at 13 miles?) when it arrived, but it was so small they thought I might not see it. Fair play to them, but I'm a fairly relaxed realist about such things - the car is just a lump of painted metal / plastic after all, and unlucky things can happen. I wasn't going to insist it was resprayed and just asked them to get some touch up paint and then film over it.

They claim they did exactly this, but then they put the film on reckon it could still be seen and pulled the film back off. I have no idea why they did this, but it put them well behind schedule and so tried to buy more time (they'd had the car all week and this was on Friday AM!). However, I'd booked the afternoon off work to get the car and I WAS getting that car!

On collection it didn't look too bad, but when I closely inspected it at home I wasn't too happy with the film - they'd clearly rushed it (for which I have to take some responsibility). I only had the bumper and bonnet done with PPF as I don't actually like films (it's a means to an end though). The rest of the car looked superb, so they did a great job on the machine polishing but they also admitted that they hadn't applied all the coatings (apparently ran out of time on that too).

Honestly, my thought is they'd just overbooked - they had a number of (very!) high end cars and to be honest, my lowly 911 was probably the cheapest one there.

I agreed with the owner to return it on Sunday afternoon and I've given them until Thursday to apply all the coatings properly, and do a better job with the film.

We'll see how it goes, but I have faith. As I say, they look like an immensely professional outfit with some impressively equipped premises and a team who seem to be passionate about what they do. They just appear to have let themselves down on planning and resourcing.

Roll on Thursday.

BishBosh

435 posts

223 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Fingers crossed for you Andrew....

BishBosh

435 posts

223 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Palmball said:
Thanks Mark.

Yes Porsche gave me a key cover as a gift, mainly because I forgot to spec it. When spec'd from the factory you get a leather fob for the key which I wasn't bothered about. Even if the dealer didn't gift it to me, it still would've been cheaper to get the painted key part as an accessory afterwards.

And yes, keyless and adaptive are present getmecoat

Keyless works well, it always opens the car and the boot opens by holding your hand over the front bumper. The fake key to start it is a bit odd as it feels no different to using an actual key.

Adaptive cruise is OK at best. I only spec it because you can barely use normal cruise on our heavily trafficked roads. It works well enough in the many average speed roadworks we have, but I wouldn't say it's the best radar system I've used (Mercedes' system is much better). It's all a bit abrupt at slowing down and then takes it's time to speed up again.

What Porsche lack is a speed limit function which I much prefer to cruise in average speed governed zones. Set the limit to 58mph and drive normally up to that point without worrying about going over.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, looking forward very much to a comparison and agree with your speed limit function. The best bit of buying new is there should not be any compromise in what you choose and this looks like just that in your car. Pig in sh!t sounds like a great start.

I will be getting mine Gtechniq'd and exo'd too just not sure about the ppf. Maybe after seeing how you go I may change my mind on the front end.

m88ony

337 posts

100 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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mattf93 said:
For those wanting to see some photos of Silverstones New Demo...













They always like to be a little fruity with their first demo cars.... Not how I'd spec it myself (I hate the front numberplate plinth for a start as it butchers the front end imo) but cool if you want something a little out of the box!

I'd also want an alcantara wheel and stick or carbon wheel and stick. For me GTS steering wheel should be alcantara or carbon - hope thats not a weird thing to think? rofl

Palmball your GTS looks awesome - congrats driving
Is that colour Gelbgrun? Looks stunning in that colour

Cheib

23,110 posts

174 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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m88ony said:
Is that colour Gelbgrun? Looks stunning in that colour
Yes it is...and doesn't it just.

detee

627 posts

148 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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I am looking forward to seeing some of the Crayon cars.

MagicRat

142 posts

111 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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PDCC is always on. The button toggles PASM between normal and sport modes - it just has PDCC written on it so people can see the car has PDCC. Before they started doing that one had to crawl under the car to see if it had it.

I tried GTechniq Crystal Serum on my car (as in I had a professional do it) and found it completely useless. Car still got swirl marks from a soft cloth. Have now had a full PPF done, which is much better for my needs (lack of worry and easy cleaning). Can recommend Max Protect in Kings Langley.

BishBosh

435 posts

223 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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MagicRat said:
PDCC is always on. The button toggles PASM between normal and sport modes - it just has PDCC written on it so people can see the car has PDCC. Before they started doing that one had to crawl under the car to see if it had it.

I tried GTechniq Crystal Serum on my car (as in I had a professional do it) and found it completely useless. Car still got swirl marks from a soft cloth. Have now had a full PPF done, which is much better for my needs (lack of worry and easy cleaning). Can recommend Max Protect in Kings Langley.
Thanks for the lead MagicRat. Just spoke with Janis and looks like he'll be prepping my new car for me. thumbup

Palmball

1,267 posts

173 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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MagicRat said:
PDCC is always on. The button toggles PASM between normal and sport modes - it just has PDCC written on it so people can see the car has PDCC. Before they started doing that one had to crawl under the car to see if it had it.

I tried GTechniq Crystal Serum on my car (as in I had a professional do it) and found it completely useless. Car still got swirl marks from a soft cloth. Have now had a full PPF done, which is much better for my needs (lack of worry and easy cleaning). Can recommend Max Protect in Kings Langley.
Thanks Magic, you have confirmed what my senses were telling me. Appreciated thumbup

Totally agree on Crystal Serum, it does not do what it says on the tin, well at least not the swirl resistant properties. None. Useless.

But it seems a good coating nonetheless for general protection and non-stick properties. You can get that for a fraction of the cost though. Detailers will say 'it's the Crystal Serum that swirls, not the paint so it has protected the car'. B0llocks I say, if I've paid for a product to stop swirls I don't want to SEE the bloody swirls and I couldn't care less what they're on!

Anyway, the detailer I've used this time (don't start me on that again!) claim their method of application, to heat it to ensure it cures properly, will make the difference. I don't believe a word of it and I'll probably be picking up a melted 911 on Thursday. However, I've given the product one more chance as the deal I agreed for the lot was reasonable (only a couple of hundred quid more than Paintshield would've charged me just for the film). Then again, you get what you pay for.....rolleyes

BishBosh

435 posts

223 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Palmball said:
Totally agree on Crystal Serum, it does not do what it says on the tin, well at least not the swirl resistant properties. None. Useless.

But it seems a good coating nonetheless for general protection and non-stick properties. You can get that for a fraction of the cost though. Detailers will say 'it's the Crystal Serum that swirls, not the paint so it has protected the car'. B0llocks I say, if I've paid for a product to stop swirls I don't want to SEE the bloody swirls and I couldn't care less what they're on!

Anyway, the detailer I've used this time (don't start me on that again!) claim their method of application, to heat it to ensure it cures properly, will make the difference. I don't believe a word of it and I'll probably be picking up a melted 911 on Thursday. However, I've given the product one more chance as the deal I agreed for the lot was reasonable (only a couple of hundred quid more than Paintshield would've charged me just for the film). Then again, you get what you pay for.....rolleyes
Here is some food for thought...after speaking with the guys at Max Protect I am left with some more information which seems to make sense.
My last car was fully detailed, paint corrected and then 100% fully filmed with suntex self healing ppf then I believe it to have been finished off with a Gtechniq product. This was at considerable cost too and the finish was fantastic. The upside was as Magic has explained the ease and worry free cleaning of the car without worrying about scratching it, the downside is whilst it was fantastic looking it was just not as eye popping when the correction was done and before the ppf applied, subtle but it was there.
Now after driving some miles I got some stone chips which went through the ppf and chipped the paint so that was a fail, I poured some hot water over the areas but that didnt seem to do anything either. These were very small, I was annoyed they appeared but it didn't stop my enjoyment of the car just made me think it wasn't worth the cash.
My mind is easily changed and I did like how easy it was to wash the car. It seems ppf is a good thing but the finish using a hard crystal serum/exo is not and together the hardness of the serum/exo prevents the ppf from flexing and makes it "crack" or damage more easily. The way forward is to use a flexible "rubber" type of finish over the ppf which is what Max Protect is recommending.

Will see how it goes but the price is good, the confidence is great and they seem really keen on the car. It will be another month so a bit more waiting.....

I really do hope your car comes back looking fantastic Andrew can't wait to see more pictures.

Mark.


Bystander1978

154 posts

95 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Interesting and helpful points re. Protection and PPF. My new gts .1 is pride and joy and I was all ready to have PPF applied but couldn't bring myself to pay nearly 3.5k for full wrap at the time. Yes I know you don't need full car but I wanted all to look the same rather than mix and match.
2 years later and post many incredible road trips I wish I had it done as front is peppered with stone chips.

Keep photos coming pleSe as I never get bored of seeing these lovely machines

mc_blue

2,548 posts

217 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Anyone else being offered overs from dealers? Apparently a couple going through a few grand above list?