991 GTS Must haves

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RSVP911

6,286 posts

71 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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thistimenextyear said:
+ 1 Crayon is stunning in the flesh but whenever I take photos of mine it appears beige which it absolutely is not! Very strange!
I agree , always unfairly looks a bit beige in images. I’ve never owned a car that’s elicited such positive comments colour wise. smile

Bystander1978

142 posts

34 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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You thought about graphite blue metallic?

2010spy

1,404 posts

102 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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RSVP911 said:
Crap photo, but it’s about as accurate as I can get colour wise smile

beer


Palious

5 posts

4 months

Sunday 25th November 2018
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Bystander1978 said:
You thought about graphite blue metallic?
This colour has been deleted for the 2019 model year. I specified it for my order placed in April! I had to reorder gt silver.

Erniemcp

133 posts

41 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Now that the dust is settling on the 992 launch I thought I’d write some of my thoughts . As this is the GTS thread it feels to me that the 992 presents an interesting decision for us GTS owners. I love a new shiny thing as much as anyone however the new 992 platform doesn’t offer a sufficient upgrade dynamically, aurally or visually over the gen 2 gts imho. It’s more expensive pound for pound, it’s heavier, it’s full of tech touch screen (arghhhhh) instead of buttons and dials, and from certain angles it looks like a new Audi TT with an appetite for 4 meals a day.

I think it will do Gen2 GTS values a favor as it’s a lot of money for a C4S or C2S once you add pasm, pse, sport chrono etc etc. I don’t really like car manufacturers aligning every model under a body line theme, bmw does it and it makes their cars hard to differentiate between.

It was noticeable the lack of press focus on exhaust noise, I think post petrol filter cars will sound less like we’d like them to .

In short I don’t feel in my man head that pressing need to have the new shiny thing, I actually feel pleased I’ve got the ‘old’ shiny thing at present. Now I can only imagine how much more expensive the new turbo s will be and the new Gts. Of course that may change over time but currently the new 992 isn’t making me really want a new 992, not yet.

That very square bonnet line is very Audi I think I prefer the softer curves

https://goo.gl/images/9d2yxJ

Edited by Erniemcp on Friday 30th November 16:34


Edited by Erniemcp on Friday 30th November 16:35

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RSVP911

6,286 posts

71 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Erniemcp said:
Now that the dust is settling on the 992 launch I thought I’d write some of my thoughts . As this is the GTS thread it feels to me that the 992 presents an interesting decision for us GTS owners. I love a new shiny thing as much as anyone however the new 992 platform doesn’t offer a sufficient upgrade dynamically, aurally or visually over the gen 2 gts imho. It’s more expensive pound for pound, it’s heavier, it’s full of tech touch screen (arghhhhh) instead of buttons and dials, and from certain angles it looks like a new Audi TT with an appetite for 4 meals a day.

I think it will do Gen2 GTS values a favor as it’s a lot of money for a C4S or C2S once you add pasm, pse, sport chrono etc etc. I don’t really like car manufacturers aligning every model under a body line theme, bmw does it and it makes their cars hard to differentiate between.

It was noticeable the lack of press focus on exhaust noise, I think post petrol filter cars will sound less like we’d like them to .

In short I don’t feel in my man head that pressing need to have the new shiny thing, I actually feel pleased I’ve got the ‘old’ shiny thing at present. Now I can only imagine how much more expensive the new turbo s will be and the new Gts. Of course that may change over time but currently the new 992 isn’t making me really want a new 992, not yet.

That very square bonnet line is very Audi I think I prefer the softer curves

https://goo.gl/images/9d2yxJ

Edited by Erniemcp on Friday 30th November 16:34


Edited by Erniemcp on Friday 30th November 16:35
I prefer the look of the 991.2 GTS , very pretty car smile

Erniemcp

133 posts

41 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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I forgot to mention the rationale of putting 21 inch wheels on a 911, I had 22’s on s Range Rover once with 285/35/22 Michelin’s and it looked great but drove as you’d expect.....turning circle became excruciating on thin rubber like that at slow manouveours..,.,bling over substance I feel on the wheels on the 992

m88ony

259 posts

39 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Apologies in advance talking about residuals but interesting article below on the 991.1 GTS.


https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/talk...


Boardingnath

5 posts

31 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Was thinking about 992 vs 991.2 GTS's today. I own a 997.2 S but was lucky enough to get a 991.2 GTS as a hire car in Cologne last weekend. What a beast of a car. It put my car to shame. If someone gave me the option to upgrade to either a 991.2 GTS or new 992 S, I wouldn't have any hesitation in going for the 991.2 GTS. In my opinion there just isn't enough in it to upgrade and if anything I prefer the 991 styling.

RSVP911

6,286 posts

71 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Boardingnath said:
Was thinking about 992 vs 991.2 GTS's today. I own a 997.2 S but was lucky enough to get a 991.2 GTS as a hire car in Cologne last weekend. What a beast of a car. It put my car to shame. If someone gave me the option to upgrade to either a 991.2 GTS or new 992 S, I wouldn't have any hesitation in going for the 991.2 GTS. In my opinion there just isn't enough in it to upgrade and if anything I prefer the 991 styling.
Completely agree with you on the styling - I think the 991.2 is a very pretty car - not a fan of the 992 - particularly at the back and also I don’t like the inside much either frown

Frrair

575 posts

72 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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I have been out and about in mine today, it really is fast, exciting and usable all in one package.




mikeh501

575 posts

119 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Its interesting that owners of the previous gen cars through the ages have found something better on their own car, than the latest and greatest. Never really understood that, but with the 992 now being announced i've fell into the same mindset!

Found myself thinking the 992 isnt something id consider "upgrading" to, if thats the right word. Perfectly happy in the 991.1 GTS coupe, and even thinking id maybe be happy with a nice 964/993! I prefer the .1 over the .2 as well, just on the engine note.

The styling is a bit of a love hate for me. The back end is a bit of mess IMHO, but I quite like the new front bumper and door handle area.

The interior though I really dont like. Its just too much GT car, not enough sports car. What the hell have they done with the gear lever lol! I love mine on the PDK as I dont get on with the flappy paddles. The other issue is removing all the buttons for sports, exhaust etc etc. I press these more than the volume button on the radio lol! they need to be proper buttons not a touchscreen. yak.

Fokker

3,284 posts

160 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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The 992 is some 50-60 kgs heavier too isn't it?



dvshannow

833 posts

74 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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Anyone needs the ring time for the new S is 1 sec slower than the 991.2 gts

Thought was interesting given same power and that they seem to be constantly squeezing better times out with similar hardware

So the 992 chassis with extra front end width is slower on a similar bhp car?

dvshannow

833 posts

74 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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Fokker said:
The 992 is some 50-60 kgs heavier too isn't it?
Yes not sure if the GTS ring time is a 4 or not also? Would guess rwd?

Cheib

15,635 posts

113 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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dvshannow said:
Fokker said:
The 992 is some 50-60 kgs heavier too isn't it?
Yes not sure if the GTS ring time is a 4 or not also? Would guess rwd?
All they will care about us the 992 S being a bit quicker than the 991.2 S. I am sure the GTS will have a decent gap on the 991.2.

dvshannow

833 posts

74 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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Cheib said:
All they will care about us the 992 S being a bit quicker than the 991.2 S. I am sure the GTS will have a decent gap on the 991.2.
Perhaps but I thought Porsche has tended to squeeze more performance out each generation per bhp so was surprised to see a faster time on the older gen with similar bhp - the weight give up as mentioned before could be it but shows the new chassis is maybe not a huge leap dynamically and less so than the 997 to 991

Erniemcp

133 posts

41 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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dvshannow said:
Cheib said:
All they will care about us the 992 S being a bit quicker than the 991.2 S. I am sure the GTS will have a decent gap on the 991.2.
Perhaps but I thought Porsche has tended to squeeze more performance out each generation per bhp so was surprised to see a faster time on the older gen with similar bhp - the weight give up as mentioned before could be it but shows the new chassis is maybe not a huge leap dynamically and less so than the 997 to 991
I posted previously my initial impressions on seeing the 992 S, I love a new shiny thing etc but as of now Im not having to fend of those inner voices saying buy a new 992 etc etc.

I've thought about it more and it seems to me the aesthetic outside and inside is different and thats about it. The actual drive is not a huge leap forward on paper. I liked the 991.2 over the 991.1 because I like torquier cars. The 991.2 GTS gave me 450hp and 550 torque available from as low as 2,150 rpm. Like it or prefer the prior 3.8 NA it was a very different offering.

The 992 S to me just looks different thats it. It doesn't offer me the proposal of a vastly different driving expereince over our 991.2 GTS's . It's heavy, the wheel diameters are IMHO to big now, the gear lever on PDK looks like its lost a section, you cant tilt it to the side for manual engagement you of course have to press a button now for that. It's heavy, the front grill lower apron area dn rear apron area look like test mule covers are still afixed, the US configurator has sport design package which looks better UK not yet as it affects consumption figures and not tested yet as I understand it. Its' heavy did I mention that. Why so many functiosn via the screen, If its illegal to use my phone for text or sat nav on the move, its not to flip 4 pages deep to heat my seat via the TScree? To cap it all have you noticed how little the Porsche press machine has mentioned the exhaust note.

I think that must be because its not great relative to pre emission test cars.

So as we near Christmas, I'm not itching for a new 992 S, I'm itching for some better weather to drive the GTS again. Its nice when a buying decision reminds you as often as buying a 991.2 GTS or 991.1 GTS or 997 GTS for that matter, that it was in comparison to the vast array of purchases we make, one of the very best ones. I think pre and post emission test cars will be an unintended water shed for the 911. Not quite air to water but important none the less.

RSVP911

6,286 posts

71 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Erniemcp said:
dvshannow said:
Cheib said:
All they will care about us the 992 S being a bit quicker than the 991.2 S. I am sure the GTS will have a decent gap on the 991.2.
Perhaps but I thought Porsche has tended to squeeze more performance out each generation per bhp so was surprised to see a faster time on the older gen with similar bhp - the weight give up as mentioned before could be it but shows the new chassis is maybe not a huge leap dynamically and less so than the 997 to 991
I posted previously my initial impressions on seeing the 992 S, I love a new shiny thing etc but as of now Im not having to fend of those inner voices saying buy a new 992 etc etc.

I've thought about it more and it seems to me the aesthetic outside and inside is different and thats about it. The actual drive is not a huge leap forward on paper. I liked the 991.2 over the 991.1 because I like torquier cars. The 991.2 GTS gave me 450hp and 550 torque available from as low as 2,150 rpm. Like it or prefer the prior 3.8 NA it was a very different offering.

The 992 S to me just looks different thats it. It doesn't offer me the proposal of a vastly different driving expereince over our 991.2 GTS's . It's heavy, the wheel diameters are IMHO to big now, the gear lever on PDK looks like its lost a section, you cant tilt it to the side for manual engagement you of course have to press a button now for that. It's heavy, the front grill lower apron area dn rear apron area look like test mule covers are still afixed, the US configurator has sport design package which looks better UK not yet as it affects consumption figures and not tested yet as I understand it. Its' heavy did I mention that. Why so many functiosn via the screen, If its illegal to use my phone for text or sat nav on the move, its not to flip 4 pages deep to heat my seat via the TScree? To cap it all have you noticed how little the Porsche press machine has mentioned the exhaust note.

I think that must be because its not great relative to pre emission test cars.

So as we near Christmas, I'm not itching for a new 992 S, I'm itching for some better weather to drive the GTS again. Its nice when a buying decision reminds you as often as buying a 991.2 GTS or 991.1 GTS or 997 GTS for that matter, that it was in comparison to the vast array of purchases we make, one of the very best ones. I think pre and post emission test cars will be an unintended water shed for the 911. Not quite air to water but important none the less.
I have to say the more I look at it the less I like it - especially the rear which looks really chunky & tall in a bad way. I hate the inside - it’s really un 911 like - a bit naff really.

I’m sure it will sell very well - but it’s not for me frown

Erniemcp

133 posts

41 months

Saturday 12th January
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RSVP911 said:
Erniemcp said:
dvshannow said:
Cheib said:
All they will care about us the 992 S being a bit quicker than the 991.2 S. I am sure the GTS will have a decent gap on the 991.2.
Perhaps but I thought Porsche has tended to squeeze more performance out each generation per bhp so was surprised to see a faster time on the older gen with similar bhp - the weight give up as mentioned before could be it but shows the new chassis is maybe not a huge leap dynamically and less so than the 997 to 991
I posted previously my initial impressions on seeing the 992 S, I love a new shiny thing etc but as of now Im not having to fend of those inner voices saying buy a new 992 etc etc.

I've thought about it more and it seems to me the aesthetic outside and inside is different and thats about it. The actual drive is not a huge leap forward on paper. I liked the 991.2 over the 991.1 because I like torquier cars. The 991.2 GTS gave me 450hp and 550 torque available from as low as 2,150 rpm. Like it or prefer the prior 3.8 NA it was a very different offering.

The 992 S to me just looks different thats it. It doesn't offer me the proposal of a vastly different driving expereince over our 991.2 GTS's . It's heavy, the wheel diameters are IMHO to big now, the gear lever on PDK looks like its lost a section, you cant tilt it to the side for manual engagement you of course have to press a button now for that. It's heavy, the front grill lower apron area dn rear apron area look like test mule covers are still afixed, the US configurator has sport design package which looks better UK not yet as it affects consumption figures and not tested yet as I understand it. Its' heavy did I mention that. Why so many functiosn via the screen, If its illegal to use my phone for text or sat nav on the move, its not to flip 4 pages deep to heat my seat via the TScree? To cap it all have you noticed how little the Porsche press machine has mentioned the exhaust note.

I think that must be because its not great relative to pre emission test cars.

So as we near Christmas, I'm not itching for a new 992 S, I'm itching for some better weather to drive the GTS again. Its nice when a buying decision reminds you as often as buying a 991.2 GTS or 991.1 GTS or 997 GTS for that matter, that it was in comparison to the vast array of purchases we make, one of the very best ones. I think pre and post emission test cars will be an unintended water shed for the 911. Not quite air to water but important none the less.
I have to say the more I look at it the less I like it - especially the rear which looks really chunky & tall in a bad way. I hate the inside - it’s really un 911 like - a bit naff really.

I’m sure it will sell very well - but it’s not for me frown
Just thought I’d write a few more thoughts after seeing this Porsche video

https://youtu.be/MKGgDb_dL5Y

Seems to me like an arse cover marketing video. In that it has listened to all feedback and done a counter argument video to the areas of critique on the 992. The bloke in charge says he was channeling the rear of the G series green turbo car in the video: All I can say is Should Have gone to spec savers.

The rear is still bad imho, although less so is n new cab until the wing goes up, it looks like an early test mule and less than secure.

I also noticed Porsche gb on Twitter were bigging up the fact more 911’s were made in 2018 than before up 10%....and that was with a factory closure so made me think they may be on verge of too many cars being made and we all know what suffers when that happens..,,no not residuals but poor fit and finish. So good luck new 992 buyers.....,