991 GTS Must haves

[RSVP911]

Taffy66 said:

RSVP911 said:

Yep - we can start a club !! I paid £k121, it was and it sold for £k88 ( inc fees) - took about 3 months.

It is without doubt the biggest financial f*** up that I’ve made car wise

That is indeed a massive hit to take on what is a brilliant 911 and yours was a stunning spec..When i buy new 911s(excluding GT3,RS etc) i have a strict rule of limiting options to less than 10% of basic list price. With this in mind i sold my three month old new 992S back to my OPC with 900 miles for a loss of only £4.5K..Back in 2017 i sold my 991.2GTS PDK Coupe to my OPC with 1700 miles for a loss of £6.5K.
Breach this rule and spend too much on options results in only the next owner getting the benefit..I complete contrast i added £30K options to my recent GT3 and even more on my new RS..
I am actually surprised be how much the 991.2 values have dropped recently as i thought they were particularly good 911s.

I have to say I don’t think too hard about options - I only ever add what I want to create the car I want. However, in this case, the cars spec. was done by the OPC not me and as such, I didn’t have a choice.

At this level they are the bargain of the century vs a 992 and funnily enough, I was just about to withdraw from sale when the offer came in and I felt it would have messed everyone around to reject - also I had the Spyder incoming and I’m trying to run a very strict 1 in 1 out policy

I’d happily buy another at some point if the values remain like this as they are really good cars - especially as a DD

[barchetta_boy]

I paid £120k for a brand new 991.2 GTS PDK cab in MArch of this year. I didn't give a single thought to resale, I specced the car exactly as I wanted it - well, as my wife wanted it! We did it together, it was great fun, it's the most engaged she's ever been in "my" hobby and she loves the car and loves driving it.

When I become plagued by thoughts about how much it's lost, I go and drive it. It's the only new car I've ever ordered, what's the point if you don't go to town.

You want financial suicide, buy a mclaren.

[Jakob911]

barchetta_boy said:

I paid £120k for a brand new 991.2 GTS PDK cab in MArch of this year. I didn't give a single thought to resale, I specced the car exactly as I wanted it - well, as my wife wanted it! We did it together, it was great fun, it's the most engaged she's ever been in "my" hobby and she loves the car and loves driving it.

When I become plagued by thoughts about how much it's lost, I go and drive it. It's the only new car I've ever ordered, what's the point if you don't go to town.

You want financial suicide, buy a mclaren.

I agree with the sentiment that too much thinking about values deprives us of the reason we buy and drive these cars. It looks to me like we had entered a bit of a false world where a rising tide raised all ships. I was speaking to a well known independant car dealer who sells multiple brands. He said that exclduing hyper cars all cars had taken a fall in value and the euphoria and optimism that had supported 'overs' etc had gone. RS Audi's, Merc AMG's, McLarens', Bentleys, Aston's etc have been depreciating hard for a while. Porsche he still thinks is one of if not the best sub hyper car brand to offer value stability.

I reference to 911R's GTS, it was a heavy spec car , sold in a soft market, in midst of OPC's being driven to sell more units of the 992 not an ideal situation to have to or chose to sell. I've watched the prices move lower and cant think of a better car to buy as a daily driver that has somthing special and a bit of an event to it. Look at the pages this particular forum post has 210 and the majority of it on just what a good car the 991.2 GTS is. A fall in price post intro of a new generation of 911 was expected, but lets not get carried away, new cars should in a normal market lose value quickly in the first 18 months of ownership. I've driven and sat in the new 992 and wouldnt swap my GTS for it. Pre particulate filter GTS's sound way better and have all that torque from 2,150 not the 2,300 of the GPF cars. I'm in my car 991.2 GTS and its the second one I've owned so Ive no need to sell it, just drive it. If I didnt own it Id be looking at the lower prices and thinking of buying one rather than a new 992. IMHO.....

[Mitchp]

Mr981 said:

Another Manual 991.1 GTS for sale out there.. is this the one that sold recently at JZM ?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

This one is a C4. The JZM car was a C2 (I know because I bought it!)

Mitch

[PSB1]

Mitchp said:

Mr981 said:

Another Manual 991.1 GTS for sale out there.. is this the one that sold recently at JZM ?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

This one is a C4. The JZM car was a C2 (I know because I bought it!)

Mitch

Nice car! Strong money, all things considered.

However, it’s in Scotland so will have been ruined by the salt on the roads (I jest).

[2010spy]

Just had an Aston Martin Vantage for the weekend. Lots of driving on various roads in bit good weather and bad. The Vantage was rapid and and the sound was great. However, for the entire time I was driving something felt wrong. As soon as I jumped back into my GTS it all became clear. The GTS is unreal. The steering, the balance, the traction, the turn of pace, the sense of being completely in control with the car was beyond compare. I now really appreciate how good the GTS is and would not consider swapping for the Aston, period. I would consider buying an Aston as an additional car (if I could afford it which I can’t), but would never swap. And given the 911 is the Astons key competitor it explains why they may be struggling to sell them. Hats off to the AM deal though for lending me the car to see if it would be an option.

[DMC2]

I did the same thing. Drove the Vantage and thought it was an awesome looking car, got back in my 991.1 GTS and couldn’t believe how much better it felt. And my car is two models old with the 992 out now. I looked at a 570s McLaren but the build quality was crap, dull engine and terrible residuals.

My GTS was supposed to be a purchase for 6 months, but I just don’t know what to replace it with. The engine is a peach, and it’s done the majority of its depreciation. It’s a third car so I could get a two seater, but the fact I can drop the kids off at school then use it just makes the 911 such a no brainier. Nothing else compares. Looks like I’ll need to wait for the 992 GTS. Although i really would miss the NA engine...

[Mr981]

Mitchp said:

This one is a C4. The JZM car was a C2 (I know because I bought it!)

Mitch

enjoy - it looked like a beauty !

[APOLO1]

Had 2 991.2 GTSs thought they were great cars, specked both exactly how i wanted no thought to future resale point. Did the same on my 992 C2s coupe specked for me not the next chap. Then when it was part Exed for Cab due to the fact i had not put a couple of low cost items on the dealer lost 3 sales after only having the car for a few days.

Fact is some items even though they don't cost a lot do not just affect future sale value, but the opportunity to even get the sale.

[Taffy66]

APOLO1 said:

Had 2 991.2 GTSs thought they were great cars, specked both exactly how i wanted no thought to future resale point. Did the same on my 992 C2s coupe specked for me not the next chap. Then when it was part Exed for Cab due to the fact i had not put a couple of low cost items on the dealer lost 3 sales after only having the car for a few days.

Fact is some items even though they don't cost a lot do not just affect future sale value, but the opportunity to even get the sale.

I always spec BOSE and Auto dim lights and wipers for that very reason.

[APOLO1]

Taffy66 said:

I always spec BOSE and Auto dim lights and wipers for that very reason.

Auto dim was one of the ones that i left off, 3 would not buy because of this.
From now on i spec what options i want like RWS, trim etc and let the OPC add on the must haves, in order to assist future resale.

[GT3-RS]

RSVP911 said:

SHIFTY said:

RSVP 911

Part Exchanged my 911.2 GTS cabriolet in August only 17 months old, retail price was in excess of £120K, 8,000 miles tried all avenues, other dealers, advertised on PH and the best deal I had was £86.5K (just above we buy any cars quote) some even as low as £80K .

Market seems flooded with 911.2 at the moment especially 4WD from the last of the 911.2, buyers can pick and choose.

Porsche Solihull have a similar spec 911.2 GTS cab to mine started at £102 and now down to £92 still for sale after 3 months.

Yep - we can start a club !

I paid £k121, and it sold for £k88 ( inc fees) - took about 3 months.

It is without doubt the biggest financial f*** up that I’ve made car wise

hahaha looks like you were sold the Porsche depreciation proof dream.....I sold my £122k top spec 3.8 manual Targa 4 GTS after 18 months and 16k miles for £88k back to a dealer as I had on order a top spec 991.2 GT3 which cost me £138k which I sold back to a dealer for £121k after 12 months and 6k miles........it's the way the cookie crumbles.....I truly believe the Porsche depreciation dream stopped at the 996 GT3 RS fortunately I have one which I've owned the last 13 years ....a rare car with just 682 made worldwide and no artifcial driving aids (I suggest you all go and buy one whilst they're still relatively cheap if you're looking for investment).....unlike the more modern pseudo versions made in their thousands with the majority sold to America each one more anodyne than the last....all of which is reflected in their used sale values.....I'm not sad the 991.2 GT3 has gone a less ielevant car there has not been and dull as dishwater at speeds below 100mph....when I look back though 2 cars I regret having got rid of that's my old 964 RS NGT Clubsport in Rubystone Red and funnily enough the 991.1 Targa 4 GTS although not overly impressed by the wishywashy front end and 4WD it was exactly what I though it to be a "Grand Tourer" of which I did for 16k enjoyable roof down miles....I keep trawling the Ads to see if it's been put up for sale but alas nothing as of yet......anyway I doubt I'll be buying the next latest greatest anodyne Porsche offering although the Taycan is causing murmurings watch this space

[franki68]

I had a gts 991.2 ,list was 110k and I got £2.5k discount ,sold it back to porsche for 103k 6 months later. 4k in 6 months for this sort of car isn't bad,I usually factor in 10k a month minimum depreciation for any car over 100k .

[RSVP911]

GT3-RS said:

hahaha looks like you were sold the Porsche depreciation proof dream.....I sold my £122k top spec 3.8 manual Targa 4 GTS after 18 months and 16k miles for £88k back to a dealer as I had on order a top spec 991.2 GT3 which cost me £138k which I sold back to a dealer for £121k after 12 months and 6k miles........it's the way the cookie crumbles.....I truly believe the Porsche depreciation dream stopped at the 996 GT3 RS fortunately I have one which I've owned the last 13 years ....a rare car with just 682 made worldwide and no artifcial driving aids (I suggest you all go and buy one whilst they're still relatively cheap if you're looking for investment).....unlike the more modern pseudo versions made in their thousands with the majority sold to America each one more anodyne than the last....all of which is reflected in their used sale values.....I'm not sad the 991.2 GT3 has gone a less ielevant car there has not been and dull as dishwater at speeds below 100mph....when I look back though 2 cars I regret having got rid of that's my old 964 RS NGT Clubsport in Rubystone Red and funnily enough the 991.1 Targa 4 GTS although not overly impressed by the wishywashy front end and 4WD it was exactly what I though it to be a "Grand Tourer" of which I did for 16k enjoyable roof down miles....I keep trawling the Ads to see if it's been put up for sale but alas nothing as of yet......anyway I doubt I'll be buying the next latest greatest anodyne Porsche offering although the Taycan is causing murmurings watch this space

Welcome to our club

Re 996RS - I’ve not had the pleasure, however, I have just bought a lovely 964RS (LW) which I think is an absolute hoot.

Re your 991.2 GT3 - was this PDK or manual as I have to say I love the manual version of this car

[RSVP911]

franki68 said:

I usually factor in 10k a month minimum depreciation for any car over 100k .

Wow, now that would be quite a hit

[GT3-RS]

RSVP911 said:

GT3-RS said:

hahaha looks like you were sold the Porsche depreciation proof dream.....I sold my £122k top spec 3.8 manual Targa 4 GTS after 18 months and 16k miles for £88k back to a dealer as I had on order a top spec 991.2 GT3 which cost me £138k which I sold back to a dealer for £121k after 12 months and 6k miles........it's the way the cookie crumbles.....I truly believe the Porsche depreciation dream stopped at the 996 GT3 RS fortunately I have one which I've owned the last 13 years ....a rare car with just 682 made worldwide and no artifcial driving aids (I suggest you all go and buy one whilst they're still relatively cheap if you're looking for investment).....unlike the more modern pseudo versions made in their thousands with the majority sold to America each one more anodyne than the last....all of which is reflected in their used sale values.....I'm not sad the 991.2 GT3 has gone a less ielevant car there has not been and dull as dishwater at speeds below 100mph....when I look back though 2 cars I regret having got rid of that's my old 964 RS NGT Clubsport in Rubystone Red and funnily enough the 991.1 Targa 4 GTS although not overly impressed by the wishywashy front end and 4WD it was exactly what I though it to be a "Grand Tourer" of which I did for 16k enjoyable roof down miles....I keep trawling the Ads to see if it's been put up for sale but alas nothing as of yet......anyway I doubt I'll be buying the next latest greatest anodyne Porsche offering although the Taycan is causing murmurings watch this space

Welcome to our club

Re 996RS - I’ve not had the pleasure, however, I have just bought a lovely 964RS (LW) which I think is an absolute hoot.

Re your 991.2 GT3 - was this PDK or manual as I have to say I love the manual version of this car

all my sports cars have been and will be manual.....I can't find a reason to buy an automatic, Pdk call it what you will.....964RS L a proper RS if ever there was one I loved my NGT however they still made over 2500 964 RSL's whereas the RS NGT Clubsport they made only 150 in the first run followed by a further 140 in a second run so 290 all in and not a single 964 RSL or NGT went to the Americas although cup cars did (but no one wants a cup car 'orrible things) my NGT was ***499170 your RSL will be ****490*** these production numbers put the 996GT3RS right up there in the rarity stakes I'm fairly surprised they are as cheap as they are considering and remember all RS models up to and including the 996 GT3 RS were true homologation cars 997RS onwards weren't

[PSB1]

Another manual Gen 1 (private sale) is now listed on autotrader. Benefits from being the fastest colour too.

[DeuceDeuce]

I’ve decided that a 991.1 GTS of some description is going to be my next car and this thread has been a great source of information - thank you all.

I don’t need the car until next Spring but the urge to just get something bought is mighty strong!

I know it depends on lots of factors but all things being equal, is an OPC going to do a significantly better deal before the end of the year then they would in Q1 or Q2 next year?

Would be delighted to hear from any PHers that are looking to sell. Ideal spec for me would include:

Agate, GT Silver, Carmine or Black
PDK
Sunroof
GTS Interior
Ducktail

Thanks

[Cheib]

End of Q4 is the best time to buy a car from an OPC....end of quarter and year, I don’t think OPC’s will have had a great year for AUC’s so they should be keen to hit targets. Whether that’s better than Q1 or Q2 next year depends on how food you are at doing a deal !

[andrewt1982]

DeuceDeuce said:

I’ve decided that a 991.1 GTS of some description is going to be my next car and this thread has been a great source of information - thank you all.

I don’t need the car until next Spring but the urge to just get something bought is mighty strong!

I know it depends on lots of factors but all things being equal, is an OPC going to do a significantly better deal before the end of the year then they would in Q1 or Q2 next year?

Would be delighted to hear from any PHers that are looking to sell. Ideal spec for me would include:

Agate, GT Silver, Carmine or Black
PDK
Sunroof
GTS Interior
Ducktail

Thanks

PM sent - i'm looking to sell mine at the moment, with all of the above and a fair bit more (7.5k miles, PDLS+, Heated seats, sensors & camera, privacy glass etc)