991 GTS Must haves
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diamondo said:
Was having a look at 991.2 GTS resale values...
Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
I had a 991.2 GTS. Sold it and went back to a 991.1Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
The engine in the first gen car is an absolute peach, the 991.2 just left me cold. I found the lag annoying, and it didn’t sound ANYWHERE near as good.
Not one for me, but I'll be interested to see how this pans out, especially as it's a Gen 1 manual:
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diamondo said:
Was having a look at 991.2 GTS resale values...
Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
Absolute nonsense, the low down torque is what you need for the road, it’s not designed as a track car like the GT3. Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
The 991.2 GTS is a far superior car than the 991.1 GTS in every department except for noise, yes I agree the engine in the earlier car is a cracker but the newer car is way faster and a better in every other way.
shoaib said:
diamondo said:
Was having a look at 991.2 GTS resale values...
Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
Absolute nonsense, the low down torque is what you need for the road, it’s not designed as a track car like the GT3. Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
The 991.2 GTS is a far superior car than the 991.1 GTS in every department except for noise, yes I agree the engine in the earlier car is a cracker but the newer car is way faster and a better in every other way.
It’s down to what you want a car for, the gen-2 is the better daily/regular driver with much easier overtaking thrust from all that torque (110Nm more than a gen-1 over a much bigger range) plus the much improved PCM4 inside... it’s also definitely considerably faster than than the gen1, also with Sports PASM and larger front stoppers as standard.
But the gen-1 is the more special proposition for a Sunday B road blast, last of the naturally aspirated and best of the gen1 Carrera range. It really needs revving (4500rpm+) for best forward thrust, and this involves you more, it sounds awesome as you scream to the 7,800rpm limiter, so you just have to do it again
best with PDK IMO as it feels easier to select 1st on the move when required and also to keep it in the upper rev range... Sports Plus is mad 
As ever it’s all down to personal taste, but both are great cars
But the gen-1 is the more special proposition for a Sunday B road blast, last of the naturally aspirated and best of the gen1 Carrera range. It really needs revving (4500rpm+) for best forward thrust, and this involves you more, it sounds awesome as you scream to the 7,800rpm limiter, so you just have to do it again
best with PDK IMO as it feels easier to select 1st on the move when required and also to keep it in the upper rev range... Sports Plus is mad As ever it’s all down to personal taste, but both are great cars
Grant3 said:
It’s down to what you want a car for, the gen-2 is the better daily/regular driver with much easier overtaking thrust from all that torque (110Nm more than a gen-1 over a much bigger range) plus the much improved PCM4 inside... it’s also definitely considerably faster than than the gen1, also with Sports PASM and larger front stoppers as standard.
But the gen-1 is the more special proposition for a Sunday B road blast, last of the naturally aspirated and best of the gen1 Carrera range. It really needs revving (4500rpm+) for best forward thrust, and this involves you more, it sounds awesome as you scream to the 7,800rpm limiter, so you just have to do it again best with PDK IMO as it feels easier to select 1st on the move when required and also to keep it in the upper rev range... Sports Plus is mad
As ever it’s all down to personal taste, but both are great cars
Well the only answer is to buy a Gen 1 for a while, then move into a Gen 2. After all, can't be too careful - better be safe than sorry But the gen-1 is the more special proposition for a Sunday B road blast, last of the naturally aspirated and best of the gen1 Carrera range. It really needs revving (4500rpm+) for best forward thrust, and this involves you more, it sounds awesome as you scream to the 7,800rpm limiter, so you just have to do it again
best with PDK IMO as it feels easier to select 1st on the move when required and also to keep it in the upper rev range... Sports Plus is mad As ever it’s all down to personal taste, but both are great cars
Edited by PSB1 on Sunday 22 September 21:20
Does anyone know if it’s possible to retrofit the -20mm SPASM springs onto a PASM 991.2 GTS? Or if not a set of aftermarket springs that get the job done?
Have found a car I like but it’s only got the -10mm suspension unfortunately.
Also sport design rear wing / spoiler I assume can easily be retrofitted but is there a change up front as well? Some people mention a sport design bumper but I believe the GTS has that as standard anyway?
Have found a car I like but it’s only got the -10mm suspension unfortunately.
Also sport design rear wing / spoiler I assume can easily be retrofitted but is there a change up front as well? Some people mention a sport design bumper but I believe the GTS has that as standard anyway?
Grant3 said:
It’s down to what you want a car for, the gen-2 is the better daily/regular driver with much easier overtaking thrust from all that torque (110Nm more than a gen-1 over a much bigger range) plus the much improved PCM4 inside... it’s also definitely considerably faster than than the gen1, also with Sports PASM and larger front stoppers as standard.
But the gen-1 is the more special proposition for a Sunday B road blast, last of the naturally aspirated and best of the gen1 Carrera range. It really needs revving (4500rpm+) for best forward thrust, and this involves you more, it sounds awesome as you scream to the 7,800rpm limiter, so you just have to do it again best with PDK IMO as it feels easier to select 1st on the move when required and also to keep it in the upper rev range... Sports Plus is mad
As ever it’s all down to personal taste, but both are great cars
You're spot on.But the gen-1 is the more special proposition for a Sunday B road blast, last of the naturally aspirated and best of the gen1 Carrera range. It really needs revving (4500rpm+) for best forward thrust, and this involves you more, it sounds awesome as you scream to the 7,800rpm limiter, so you just have to do it again
best with PDK IMO as it feels easier to select 1st on the move when required and also to keep it in the upper rev range... Sports Plus is mad As ever it’s all down to personal taste, but both are great cars
There's a market for the gen-2, but the gen-1 excitement has gone.
shoaib said:
diamondo said:
Was having a look at 991.2 GTS resale values...
Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
Absolute nonsense, the low down torque is what you need for the road, it’s not designed as a track car like the GT3. Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
The 991.2 GTS is a far superior car than the 991.1 GTS in every department except for noise, yes I agree the engine in the earlier car is a cracker but the newer car is way faster and a better in every other way.
PSB1 said:
shoaib said:
diamondo said:
Was having a look at 991.2 GTS resale values...
Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
Absolute nonsense, the low down torque is what you need for the road, it’s not designed as a track car like the GT3. Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
The 991.2 GTS is a far superior car than the 991.1 GTS in every department except for noise, yes I agree the engine in the earlier car is a cracker but the newer car is way faster and a better in every other way.
Having gone 997, 991.1, 991.2 (all GTS) I would choose the 991.1 as the pick of the bunch. Yes the .2 had plenty of torque but it really lost out on that high end excitement, I also felt the interior switch gear of the .2 was a bit plastiky. I have no doubt others will disagree but that is just my take on it.
I agree with a lot of the above, and having spent time in a .2 GTS its not for me, over and above the .1.
A few months back I spent quite a bit of time road tripping with a .2 GTS and I can honestly say it really wasnt any faster on the road than my .1. It absolutely delivers differently, but if your properly 'driving' then it wont get away. I can imagine that when your simply bimbling about its more accessible however.
A few months back I spent quite a bit of time road tripping with a .2 GTS and I can honestly say it really wasnt any faster on the road than my .1. It absolutely delivers differently, but if your properly 'driving' then it wont get away. I can imagine that when your simply bimbling about its more accessible however.
barchetta_boy said:
It's not that simple, the blown 3 litre is a masterpiece. Fantastic powerplant. The 991.2 GTS covers ground like few other cars I have driven. And it sounds ok too. Not as good as the 3.8, but pretty good for a turbo.
Everybody to their own, but I completely disagree. The .2 engine is laggy and runs out of steam. The .1 engine is the pinnacle of non turbo (and non bespoke GT) engines that Porsche have ever built. I found the .2 dull to drive in comparison, quick if you are pointing and squirting, but doesn't have the delicate throttle response which I look for in a car.diamondo said:
PSB1 said:
shoaib said:
diamondo said:
Was having a look at 991.2 GTS resale values...
Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
Absolute nonsense, the low down torque is what you need for the road, it’s not designed as a track car like the GT3. Bought mine in March 2018 at £109k OTR...one of the worst performance cars I've ever owned. Had a 991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS before so it's always going to struggle.
But even in isolation, low torque kills road cornering exits, synthetic noise is a joke and the steering was massively unconnected. When I sold, some chap called me saying he sold into all the dealers. Got chatting about the car and he says what I'm just listed is exactly what's wrong with it but the journalists are too scared to slate it (he was also a motoring journalist so some reading will be able to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine the 992 is the same crap.
Sold it privately in October for £100k, which now looking at the values, I did the right thing. Think I'd be looking at £75-80 trade in now.
The 991.2 GTS is a far superior car than the 991.1 GTS in every department except for noise, yes I agree the engine in the earlier car is a cracker but the newer car is way faster and a better in every other way.
Look at this for example, ffs. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/911-Carrera-GT...
Yes, no GTS Interior pack, yes it's yellow. But 1 owner, low miles, RWS, 18 ways, Bose. £85k!
the 991.1 GTS has the vastly superior engine in terms of excitement and engagement, and I think that ultimately will trump the tech and 0-60 numbers that the 991.2 GTS offers (which will ultimately be surpassed very soon by a 992 derivative).
I have driven both, and the .1 is by far the more exciting car to drive. Yes you have the rev the hell out of it (it is q dull under 4k revs), but that adds to the engagement. Once you do it rewards you in spades and absolutely screams. None of this theatre is present in the .2 GTS. As the 992 has arrived and a new GTS only a couple of years away, the differentiating factor becomes only the engine - they arent making the NA 3.8 anymore, its confined to history.
The market is pricing this quite clearly, and despite the fact that the .1 GTS was sold in greater numbers.
I have driven both, and the .1 is by far the more exciting car to drive. Yes you have the rev the hell out of it (it is q dull under 4k revs), but that adds to the engagement. Once you do it rewards you in spades and absolutely screams. None of this theatre is present in the .2 GTS. As the 992 has arrived and a new GTS only a couple of years away, the differentiating factor becomes only the engine - they arent making the NA 3.8 anymore, its confined to history.
The market is pricing this quite clearly, and despite the fact that the .1 GTS was sold in greater numbers.
barchetta_boy said:
991.2 can also be hopped up to 550PS very easily, and 650 with bigger hardware. That and an exhaust and I promise you all the drama you can handle.
Sorry but I've driven all sorts of turbo cars with silly horse power, they get VERY boring very quickly. The fun in driving a car is not straight line blasting it's using the revs, throttle response, and corners. So that is with the 991.1 is the more engaging car.And you would need to be insane to modify a 991.2 and lose the warranty. If you want that sort of power just buy a turbo S.
DMC2 said:
barchetta_boy said:
991.2 can also be hopped up to 550PS very easily, and 650 with bigger hardware. That and an exhaust and I promise you all the drama you can handle.
Sorry but I've driven all sorts of turbo cars with silly horse power, they get VERY boring very quickly. The fun in driving a car is not straight line blasting it's using the revs, throttle response, and corners. So that is with the 991.1 is the more engaging car.And you would need to be insane to modify a 991.2 and lose the warranty. If you want that sort of power just buy a turbo S.
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