Potentially looking for a 996 Turbo

[PGNSagaris]

The Red Devil said:

No, I need to listen to the cut of your jib on the phone and decide on that basis.
And I don't need luck, or wishes from you.

haha
QED.

[The Red Devil]

PGNSagaris said:

haha
QED.

And this aint no philosophical argument, don't try and play tig with me

[PGNSagaris]

The Red Devil said:

PGNSagaris said:

haha
QED.

And this aint no philosophical argument, don't try and play tig with me

Correct. Philosophy is awfully opaque. You aren't.

[9e 28]

Hi OP thanks for the PM. LHD should be 25% cheaper than equivalent RHD IMO. In your shoes I'd wait till after the referendum as there maybe rich pickings if it goes the wrong way for the remain campaign. Take your time to find the right car. TBH you're buying at the worst time possible as the market is at an all time high. That Irish car that belongs to Remote was the one to go for as its had everything upgraded but he seems to have changed his mind sadly. Its quite easy to drop £10k on a turbo if its turbos, suspension, clutch, radiators are on the way out which most are nowadays as the earliest cars are 16 years old. Personally I'd up your budget and buy a mint one from JZM. It will cost you less over all in the medium term IMO as long as you do not do more than 3-5k miles per year.

[Juddder]

9e 28 said:

Hi OP thanks for the PM. Personally I'd up your budget and buy a mint one from JZM. It will cost you less over all in the medium term IMO as long as you do not do more than 3-5k miles per year.

Thanks for coming back to me and yes the market does appear to be super high at the moment.

Time to contemplate what to do next I think as yes upping the budget could be an option, but then it might be better to take a back seat and watch for a while

No rush from me!

BTW seemed to be developing an interest in Cobalt Blue / Blue if anyone has one that they might be parting with in the near future

[9e 28]

Juddder said:

9e 28 said:

Hi OP thanks for the PM. Personally I'd up your budget and buy a mint one from JZM. It will cost you less over all in the medium term IMO as long as you do not do more than 3-5k miles per year.

Thanks for coming back to me and yes the market does appear to be super high at the moment.

Time to contemplate what to do next I think as yes upping the budget could be an option, but then it might be better to take a back seat and watch for a while

No rush from me!

BTW seemed to be developing an interest in Cobalt Blue / Blue if anyone has one that they might be parting with in the near future

If you do up your budget worth looking at 997 turbo too and there were more of them made in Cobalt as it was the cars launch colour in UK.

[Juddder]

9e 28 said:

If you do up your budget worth looking at 997 turbo too and there were more of them made in Cobalt as it was the cars launch colour in UK.

Great tip - many thanks and yes I will!

[9e 28]

Juddder said:

9e 28 said:

If you do up your budget worth looking at 997 turbo too and there were more of them made in Cobalt as it was the cars launch colour in UK.

Great tip - many thanks and yes I will!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-turbo-997/porsche-911-turbo-manual-huge-spec-immaculate/5822582?v=c

Hard to look past the ugly techart front spoiler, side skirts and grey decals but cheeky bid of £40,000 on this and you've absolutely nicked the car. Market doesn't like modded cars but techart have a good reputation. I'd pay for £40k for it and stick a genuine Porsche OEM aerokit front spoiler and oem GT2 or turbo side skirts and you'd have a 650 bhp missile.

I'd also replace the wheels with 19inch wheels as 20 inch wheels ruin handling and ride. Those 20 inch Techart wheels are very sought after and you'd get £2k for them. As long as the car checks out under that horrible make up there may be a gem there.

[9e 28]

^^^^ Car was originally up for £59,995 on 911UK. He mentioned 650bhp and upgraded turbos that seems to have disappeared.!

[9e 28]

Moucho editing on his 911 Uk thread http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1192383&h...

[Adam B]

9e 28 said:

Moucho editing on his 911 Uk thread http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1192383&h...

unlucky for someone they quoted him! is seller trying to remove some of the mod history then? no mention of turbos but 650bhp seems a stretch on ECU and exhaust to put it mildly, very possible on a TechArt RR of course

if seller has all original parts I agree at £40k could be a good buyif it can be visually put back to stock


"Sure.. The build Sheet..

TechArt Bodykit.
TechArt 20 Inch LW Forged Alloys.
TechArt Suspension.
TechArt Performance Clutch.
TechArt Sports Exhaust System.
TechArt ECU.
TechArt CF Wing Mirror Covers.
TechArt CF Rear Window Spoiler.
TechArt Steering Wheel.
TechArt Short Shifter.
TechArt Gear Stick.
TechArt Floor Mats.
TechArt CF Interior.
TechArt Aluminium Pedals.
TechArt Red Set Belts.
TechArt Graphics.

655 BHP.
820 Nm Torque"

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 15th June 13:21

[9e 28]

Adam B said:

9e 28 said:

Moucho editing on his 911 Uk thread http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1192383&h...

unlucky for someone they quoted him! is seller trying to remove some of the mod history then? no mention of turbos but 650bhp seems a stretch on ECU and exhaust to put it mildly, very possible on a TechArt RR of course

if seller has all original parts I agree at £40k could be a good buyif it can be visually put back to stock


"Sure.. The build Sheet..

TechArt Bodykit.
TechArt 20 Inch LW Forged Alloys.
TechArt Suspension.
TechArt Performance Clutch.
TechArt Sports Exhaust System.
TechArt ECU.
TechArt CF Wing Mirror Covers.
TechArt CF Rear Window Spoiler.
TechArt Steering Wheel.
TechArt Short Shifter.
TechArt Gear Stick.
TechArt Floor Mats.
TechArt CF Interior.
TechArt Aluminium Pedals.
TechArt Red Set Belts.
TechArt Graphics.

655 BHP.
820 Nm Torque"

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 15th June 13:21

There was actually another 911UK thread where vendor said he was putting his Techart GT Street S up for sale and he definitely said it had the Techart powerkit to 660 PS. I pointed out to him that it was not a GT Street and his car has the aerokit 1 and power kit to 660 PS and he quickly changed his thread title to the same. Seems to have been taken down. Also said he had two offers at £50k which sounds like codswallop considering the car is now on at £44,995. It doesn't matter if he does not have the original side skirts or front lower spoiler. You can pick them up on fleabay for peanuts. Vendor doesn't sound like he has a clue but it would be quite easy to call Tech 9 the UK Techart agent and ask them what mods the car has. If it has the power kit that was an expensive upgrade. The body kit is hideous but very easy to remove the max power side skirts and front lower spoiler. The rear spoiler and lower valance look okay to my eye and save you the trouble of an expensive hydraulic lift repair to rear spoiler in the future - it really is hideous though in current state hence a potential bargain.

Just the power kit 3 without all the body styling tat was about £30k. From the advert it looks like it doesn't have the power kit and if it does he for sure hasn't got a clue which one. I'd personally send the car to Tech 9 for an inspection if I was buying it as they could tell you if the cars the real deal.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997-turbo-gt2/2...

Powerkits offered from TechArt.

2007-2009 Porsche Turbo

1) Power Kit 097/T1 - 530hp (with Factory Exhaust)
550hp (with Optional TechArt Exhaust)
-Sport Air Filter
-TechArt ECU 097/T1
-TechArt Carbon Engine Styling Kit
-Techart Exhaust Manifolds

2) Power Kit 097/T2 - 580hp (with Factory Exhaust)
600hp (with Optional TechArt Exhaust)
-Sport Air Filter
-Techart ECU 097/T2
-TechArt Carbon Engine Styling Kit
-TechArt Inlet Pipe
-Techart Upgraded T20 VTG Turbochargers
-TechArt Exhaust Manifolds

3) Power Kit 097/T3 - 660hp
-Sport Air Filter
-TechArt ECU 097/T3.1
-TechArt Engine Styling Kit
-TechArt Upgraded T35 VTG Turbochargers
-TechArt Exhaust Manifolds
-TechArt Carbon Air Intake Pipes
-TechArt High Volume Intercoolers
-TechArt Fuel Pressure Regulator
-TechArt Sport Clutch
-TechArt Inlet Pipe
-TechArt Valved Exhaust System
-TechArt Sport Tailpipes

[Rockster]

monthefish said:

My old 996 Turbo used to have a quite a thirst for oil - always did (although it was only about a third of the above noted 'acceptable' consumption) owned it for 2 years and 10k miles (from 72k to 82k) and it never missed a beat. Never worked out where the oil actually went (no smoke, no drips or leaks - just assumed it was being sacrificed to the gods of high performance).

Ironically, my 996 Carrera uses no oil whatsover.

A notorious path for oil with Turbo is past/through the turbo oil seals. The word is to check the compressor wheel of each turbo. (A good time to do this is when the intake system is partially disassembled/removed when the plugs are being replaced.) If the compressor wheel is wet with oil (and the intercooler has any real amount of oil in it) then the seal is leaking. Not sure at what point the seal needs to be addressed but it is a turbo rebuild or turbo replace job. Expensive.

My 2003 Turbo can use very little oil in 4K miles road trip as I seldom really push it hard. I certainly drive it at the speed limit or thereabouts (if you know what I mean) but I don't hammer the car for any length of time. However, a spirited run through the twisties can have the oil level down a bar or so in practically no time.

The engine very very seldom smokes at cold start and never smokes at any other time. Ever.

Absent the long road trips, and any twisty road fun, consumption is around a quart per 5K miles. I change the oil every 5K miles.

[The Red Devil]

Rockster said:

A notorious path for oil with Turbo is past/through the turbo oil seals. The word is to check the compressor wheel of each turbo. (A good time to do this is when the intake system is partially disassembled/removed when the plugs are being replaced.) If the compressor wheel is wet with oil (and the intercooler has any real amount of oil in it) then the seal is leaking. Not sure at what point the seal needs to be addressed but it is a turbo rebuild or turbo replace job. Expensive.

My 2003 Turbo can use very little oil in 4K miles road trip as I seldom really push it hard. I certainly drive it at the speed limit or thereabouts (if you know what I mean) but I don't hammer the car for any length of time. However, a spirited run through the twisties can have the oil level down a bar or so in practically no time.

The engine very very seldom smokes at cold start and never smokes at any other time. Ever.

Absent the long road trips, and any twisty road fun, consumption is around a quart per 5K miles. I change the oil every 5K miles.

1.5 liters is normal over 3000 miles, and after a spirited drive on starting back up a puff of smoke again is par for the course and
no cause for worry

[Digga]

IIRC the Mezger - turbo or N/A - had more of a rep for occasional smoke on warm re-starts.

The idea of the turbo seals going and being the main source of oil consumption seems reasonable. Turbos run at several hundred thousand RPM and get jeffing hot, so I guess the seals will deteriorate and then leak.

[The Red Devil]

OP.
On the face of it this appears to be great value, the retailer could have asked more, if you factor in a bit of
negotiation then this would be a safe place to park your money. Details are sparse to say the least, which is
about the usual standard of effort from dealers (myself excluded), a quick call would fill in the blanks...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

[Digga]

IIRC the Mezger - turbo or N/A - had more of a rep for occasional smoke on warm re-starts.

The idea of the turbo seals going and being the main source of oil consumption seems reasonable. Turbos run at several hundred thousand RPM and get jeffing hot, so I guess the seals will deteriorate and then leak.

[Juddder]

The Red Devil said:

OP.
On the face of it this appears to be great value, the retailer could have asked more, if you factor in a bit of
negotiation then this would be a safe place to park your money. Details are sparse to say the least, which is
about the usual standard of effort from dealers (myself excluded), a quick call would fill in the blanks...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Thanks for the heads-up

Funnily enough I already mailed them some questions earlier tonight as noticed it too and agree with your prognosis!

Will report back how I get on....

KR Alex / Juddder

[Digga]

FWIW, I like that; seal grey with totally black interior was my #1 choice when I was looking, but I settled for silver paintwork.

To my eyes, the car looks to have been lowered though - worth considering/checking if you have a lot of speed bumps to negotiate locally.

[The Red Devil]

Digga said:

FWIW, I like that; seal grey with totally black interior was my #1 choice when I was looking, but I settled for silver paintwork.

To my eyes, the car looks to have been lowered though - worth considering/checking if you have a lot of speed bumps to negotiate locally.

My first impression was it had been lowered too, however the wheels are locked over which may just be giving that
view, personally I see no need to lower a 6t, the handling is good enough, and well the ride is plenty harsh as
stock