997.2 GT3 RS.....sensible buy at the moment?

997.2 GT3 RS.....sensible buy at the moment?

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SFO

5,169 posts

183 months

Wednesday 21st June 2017
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Digga said:
greed, aside from your own safety and cost, there's the embarrassment of causing a hazard or closure on track and, potentially, the guilt of causing another car to crash. Awful prospect.

As for 997.2 GT3 - there's not much about for under £100k, let alone £90k.
I suspect you could get this for £99,999 smile

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1178/997GT...

Jim1556

1,771 posts

156 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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nigelonich said:
I spoke to the owner at the bar later and entering Flugpatz at 9000rpm in 3rd pulling 4th the engine instantly died and dumped oil and coolant all over the track.
Not sure any sane person should be entering Flugplatz at 9k in 3rd! yikes

Shame the 991 GT3s are still fragile...

CarreraLightweightRacing

2,011 posts

209 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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Jim1556 said:
nigelonich said:
I spoke to the owner at the bar later and entering Flugpatz at 9000rpm in 3rd pulling 4th the engine instantly died and dumped oil and coolant all over the track.
Not sure any sane person should be entering Flugplatz at 9k in 3rd! yikes

Shame the 991 GT3s are still fragile...
Thinking about it, going airbourne at 9k may have caused a massive rev spike which may have contributed to the engine going t1ts.

Digga

40,293 posts

283 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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SFO said:
Digga said:
greed, aside from your own safety and cost, there's the embarrassment of causing a hazard or closure on track and, potentially, the guilt of causing another car to crash. Awful prospect.

As for 997.2 GT3 - there's not much about for under £100k, let alone £90k.
I suspect you could get this for £99,999 smile

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1178/997GT...
Okay, but that's still ballpark six figures, although a car valued at less than £100k is useful; cheaper insurance!

Jim1556

1,771 posts

156 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Thinking about it, going airbourne at 9k may have caused a massive rev spike which may have contributed to the engine going t1ts.
Airborne is difficult at Flugplatz now, since they reprofiled it after last year's VLN fatality. Plus, isn't that what a rev limit is for?

How's your RS? Been lapping lately?

Yellow491

2,920 posts

119 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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Rev limit wont protect that happening!

Jim1556

1,771 posts

156 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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Yellow491 said:
Rev limit wont protect that happening!
It won't stop the engine dropping its guts, but it should stop it going much past 9k?

Have you ever been out on a spirited drive and been on the throttle on a bumpy road and accidentally hit the limiter?

Digga

40,293 posts

283 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Jim1556 said:
Yellow491 said:
Rev limit wont protect that happening!
It won't stop the engine dropping its guts, but it should stop it going much past 9k?

Have you ever been out on a spirited drive and been on the throttle on a bumpy road and accidentally hit the limiter?
I'd guess the inertia of the rotating components is too great and the rate of change too fast for the limiter to prevent it. It's pretty similar to downshifting from 6th to 3rd or 5th to 2nd - the limiter is powerless to prevent the external forces.

Yellow491

2,920 posts

119 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Jim1556 said:
It won't stop the engine dropping its guts, but it should stop it going much past 9k?
Will it,not.

Have you ever been out on a spirited drive and been on the throttle on a bumpy road and accidentally hit the limiter?
regularly ,but thats differant to lighting the wheels up in the flugplatz area!
rev limiter has nothing to do with it when that happens and has no chance of protecting the engine.should have shifted up earlier if he knows what he is doing,and has good knowledge of the track and mechanical sympathy.

isaldiri

18,490 posts

168 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Yellow491 said:
regularly ,but thats differant to lighting the wheels up in the flugplatz area!
rev limiter has nothing to do with it when that happens and has no chance of protecting the engine.should have shifted up earlier if he knows what he is doing,and has good knowledge of the track and mechanical sympathy.
It still doesn't explain why the rev limiter hasn't worked. Going airborne (and that's much harder now as mentioned) should still mean the engine just hits the limiter, there's nothing to drive the mechanical bits over the limit unlike for an overrev.

Digga

40,293 posts

283 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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isaldiri said:
It still doesn't explain why the rev limiter hasn't worked. Going airborne (and that's much harder now as mentioned) should still mean the engine just hits the limiter, there's nothing to drive the mechanical bits over the limit unlike for an overrev.
The inertia of the rotating components - wheels, brake discs, driveshafts - will spin up as soon as the frictional resistance of the tarmac is removed.

Yellow491

2,920 posts

119 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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The limiter will work as in cut ignition,but will not stop engine over reving in this situation,a bit like spinning on grass at a circuite if you dont lift off.
As digga says.

hunter 66

3,902 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Sure will ..........Yellow , your 997 is the real deal

nigelonich

1,017 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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It was BEFORE the jump and the car ground to a halt exactly where the Road Planer is parked as it was facing uphill and the coolant was pouring out the back onto the grass.

9000rpm in 3rd in a 991.1 GT3 must be 125mph but 9000rpm is 4th must be 150-60mph. Maybe he was in 4th and pulling 5th but regardless it was nothing to do with the jump. The engine failed.




hunter 66

3,902 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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So initially Fake News ...

Jim1556

1,771 posts

156 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Must've let go over the bridge? Strange...

Shame they had to plane it.

How long before they do Schwedenkreuz or 'Megane magnet' as I like to call it?

nigelonich

1,017 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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hunter 66 said:
So initially Fake News ...
What do you call the part of the track where the Planer is then if it isnt Flugplatz? Its just before Flugplatz but after Quiddelbacher Hohe.




Edited by nigelonich on Friday 23 June 13:44


Edited by nigelonich on Friday 23 June 13:47

Digga

40,293 posts

283 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Jim1556 said:
Must've let go over the bridge? Strange...
Possible, you do see/hear cars jump a bit over the preceding bridge.

Jim1556

1,771 posts

156 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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True, if you're on it, there's a couple of bumps where you can hear the revs rise as a wheel loses traction, especially if you're offline passing traffic.

I'd call that whole section Quiddelbacher Hohe before the crest. After the crest you're entering Flugplatz. Brilliant section! cloud9

hunter 66

3,902 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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When on it a bit another better section and "jump" at the Pflatzengarten section