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TB993tt said:
You're not really playing any "game" with Porsche, you are their b
h, dancing to their tune, you are seduced and enticed by the halo models but because you are not a "worthy" customer you end up buying a more mainstream Porsche model leaving the halo cars to the elite group and leaving you still aspirational but a loyal Porsche consumer.....they are pretty clever 
That is a fair point and I suspect plenty are in that place.h, dancing to their tune, you are seduced and enticed by the halo models but because you are not a "worthy" customer you end up buying a more mainstream Porsche model leaving the halo cars to the elite group and leaving you still aspirational but a loyal Porsche consumer.....they are pretty clever Not me though. This is my first Porsche. If the GT2 was an accessible car I'd think about it ... Bit given its not, I don't ever think about it. I went and bought what I thought suited me best, had it tweaked how I wanted and am enjoying driving it.
Love the Turbo S and not being worthy as you put it makes me enjoy tweaking my car even more and not feeling like I need to bow from the sidelines as a loyal brand follower.
IMI A said:
Harsh but true. Are you having one Toby?
I think it depends on what happens to the economy in the next 12 odd months, some seriously dodgy Brexit/economy news could really kibosh this current ludicrous UK flippers/speculators paradise and wipe them out like it did late 2008, in that scenario I would once again be a worthy GT2 customer and would be back at the top of their diminished list......As it is now, like BND I will likely remain unworthy and will carry on enjoying my current Porsche.
How 'bout you Im, have PAG forgiven you for trashing one of their finest Mezgers yet ?
Edited by TB993tt on Sunday 4th September 16:32
TB993tt said:
IMI A said:
Harsh but true. Are you having one Toby?
I think it depends on what happens to the economy in the next 12 odd months, some seriously dodgy Brexit/economy news could really kibosh this current ludicrous UK flippers/speculators paradise and wipe them out like it did late 2008, in that scenario I would once again be a worthy GT2 customer and would be back at the top of their diminished list......As it is now, like BND I will likely remain unworthy and will carry on enjoying my current Porsche.
I'm hopefully going to buy a 997 GT2 or GT3 (RS) at some point for sure. Missed out on lovely red 997 GT2 - thought it was a bit too dear at £150k about 6 months ago.
Porsche haven't forgiven me since my other half trashed their demo 991 Turbo S let alone my own mezger
Like BND I'm happy with 650 PS at the mo tbh. Not sure I'd enjoy PDK after a few days of the novelty wearing off. Might upgrade brakes over next few years with Surface Transforms/ Movit kit or Girodiscs and go for the fancy suspension you now have on your GT2. Would love a p ride blast up the A10 in yours at some stage to see what the Tractive kit is like
Edited by IMI A on Sunday 4th September 17:15
TB993tt said:
Im, if they let me buy a 1GT2 you can have my 7 for a reasonable price, the Tractives are one of the best mods I've ever done, it is freaky being able to hit rutted roads without flinching yet have track car taughtness at the next corner - magic !
Look forward to seeing what your beast is like Toby. Sounds the biz on its new set up. I think they may well let you have a 1 GT2. You're a previous GT2 customer and Porsche AG wants to stop what the dealers are up to here so i reckon past GT2 customers will automatically go to the top of the queue and rightly so. I still rue the day I walked away from an aqua blue 7 GT2 RS languishing unsold in Hatfields showroom on the basis that £160,000 was too much money for a 911. Whopper of a mistake. Hey ho.With the 997 GT2 RS list at £160,000 its safe to say this new GT2 RS will be approaching £200,000 list. Thats awfully close to a McLaren 720s which has far more lightweight tech and 70 PS more. When the LT version of the McLaren is released it will be 750 PS + and even lighter. Difficult days ahead for Porsche in this segment. The Mclaren is a game changer performance wise.
Desert Dragon said:
With the 997 GT2 RS list at £160,000 its safe to say this new GT2 RS will be approaching £200,000 list. Thats awfully close to a McLaren 720s which has far more lightweight tech and 70 PS more. When the LT version of the McLaren is released it will be 750 PS + and even lighter. Difficult days ahead for Porsche in this segment. The Mclaren is a game changer performance wise.
That is what I posted on a thread a while back. The 997 RS was more than 240k Euros. the 720s at 250ish I think, so safe to say that the 991 will be very similar to the mcl in price. If it has less than 700hp and weighs close to 1.5t, and no manual, then I don't see how one can possibly pick it over the lighter and more powerful car..... well apart from it being limited and therefore probably appreciating - pretty weak argument though . Edit: althoguh it might possibly be the Better track car and more raw, which would give it an advantage over the - according to reviews anyway - pretty soft and comfortable 720
Would still like one, but likely not over the competitors at the price (and would likely prefer a 997 with a manual in any case)
Edited by MDL111 on Sunday 4th June 14:27
Desert Dragon said:
With the 997 GT2 RS list at £160,000 its safe to say this new GT2 RS will be approaching £200,000 list. Thats awfully close to a McLaren 720s which has far more lightweight tech and 70 PS more. When the LT version of the McLaren is released it will be 750 PS + and even lighter. Difficult days ahead for Porsche in this segment. The Mclaren is a game changer performance wise.
Can't see it at £200k.Porsche won't have any problem whatsoever 'in this segment' v Mclaren especially with the anticipated restricted number of GT2 RS for the UK.
AndrewD said:
This car promises to be a very focused animal. Don't really get the comparison to a 720s which is a volume model and to me at least looks hideous from the front and I'm sure rides like an S class and drives itself.
And do you think the gt2rs won't drive itself? both cars have heaps of electronics, turbo, dual clutch gearboxes - if the 720 drives itself so will the gt2rs. Given both cars main selling point seems to be being lap time monsters, I think it's fair enough to compare them for that purpose. Obviously the limited/potentially numbered run of the gt2rs makes it the far better financial prospect but in terms of what the car itself is necessarily any better especially at the price point is a different matter.isaldiri said:
And do you think the gt2rs won't drive itself? both cars have heaps of electronics, turbo, dual clutch gearboxes - if the 720 drives itself so will the gt2rs. Given both cars main selling point seems to be being lap time monsters, I think it's fair enough to compare them for that purpose. Obviously the limited/potentially numbered run of the gt2rs makes it the far better financial prospect but in terms of what the car itself is necessarily any better especially at the price point is a different matter.
I think you're confusing a Carrera S with a GT2 RS. HTH.
av185 said:
Desert Dragon said:
With the 997 GT2 RS list at £160,000 its safe to say this new GT2 RS will be approaching £200,000 list. Thats awfully close to a McLaren 720s which has far more lightweight tech and 70 PS more. When the LT version of the McLaren is released it will be 750 PS + and even lighter. Difficult days ahead for Porsche in this segment. The Mclaren is a game changer performance wise.
Can't see it at £200k.Porsche won't have any problem whatsoever 'in this segment' v Mclaren especially with the anticipated restricted number of GT2 RS for the UK.
Comment about Mclaren driving itself is ridiculous when you consider all PDK Porsches are exactly the same in this respect.
Desert Dragon said:
With the 997 GT2 RS list at £160,000 its safe to say this new GT2 RS will be approaching £200,000 list. Thats awfully close to a McLaren 720s which has far more lightweight tech and 70 PS more. When the LT version of the McLaren is released it will be 750 PS + and even lighter. Difficult days ahead for Porsche in this segment. The Mclaren is a game changer performance wise.
But if it was all just about the 0-60 etc we would all be in 700BHP plus GTRs, have seen 50ks worth of GTR deal with a P1 at V-Max..Whist no doubt the 720s will be fast car, but as a drivers cars? One tester could not work out that he was not in a milk float.......Lol
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