991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[RSVP911]

Fokker said:

Christ, how many for sale? Just looked for the first time in a while. Mid 170’s gets you a very well spec’d manual CS car too. Tonbridge?

Come on tourings, drop! I want one badly!

Is your GT3 PDK ?

[RSVP911]

Taffy66 said:

RSVP911 said:

Interesting you mention this - I noticed yesterday that a PDK 991.2 GTS is quicker than the 991.2 Manual GT3 - not that I care one bit, my cars super engaging and fast enough for me

As a recent 991.2GTS PDK owner and currently own a new GT3 i can vouch for that..Having said that as my GT3 passed 1K miles it seems to get quicker, and now on balance i think my GT3 is the faster car..The GTS is an amazing quick car point to point, and if you get one make sure it has the RAS which transforms it IMO..

Can’t remember is your GT3 PDK - can’t remember ?

Did you drive a GTS .2 without RWS - does it really make that much difference ?

Have to say I love the way my GT3 feels - not sure how much is RWS and how much is everything else .

How does the GT3 / GTS compare from a chassis dynamic perspective ?

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

to add to my pic above - there's nothing in it in 2nd gear - I'd forgot how quick the 997.2 RS actually is. To be expected really - bhp/ton is pretty similar between both cars (330 vs 350). Straight line speed - It's all in the PDK. A manual 991.2 GT3 would struggle to shake a 997

I found the oppersite and thought the new car made the old ones feel a bit slow, we were flying pass 997 GT3 at Silverstone, booked figures back that up 150mph in 16.3, the RS is over 20 seconds ! GT3 never been about drag racing mind you. Maybe get some more miles on it, these modern cars need 3 or 4K to come alive imo.

As for the new GTS that’s one fast car, my mates got one I,ll try and do a drag vid of the 2 cars.

[Dave_T]

Hi,

I’m having a bit of a ‘you only live once’ moment and considering a nearly new 991.2 GT3.

Any views on what the current going rate for ‘overs’ is on a well specced very low mileage car? I’m interested in the price at which people think deals are being done, rather than what’s advertised.

I’m struggling to find anything that matches the ‘fill your boots’ spec that I’d have gone for had my £10k deposit for a year turned into a build slot ☹️

Have most people specced Sport Chrono?

I have to say that a delivery miles 991.1 GT3 RS is starting to feel like an attractive option at current prices ....

[Taffy66]

RSVP911 said:

Can’t remember is your GT3 PDK - can’t remember ?

Did you drive a GTS .2 without RWS - does it really make that much difference ?

Have to say I love the way my GT3 feels - not sure how much is RWS and how much is everything else .

How does the GT3 / GTS compare from a chassis dynamic perspective ?

Mine is a PDK and with over 1K miles is bloody fast by any standards..Remember it has a 4.5% lower final drive ratio and even lower gears in 5 and 6, which will in itself given it an edge over a manual GT3..Despite being quicker than the manual, it makes it too fast for road driving and on balance i think the manual will be more fun and less frustrating on public roads.

I drove both RWS and non RWS back to back at Silverstone and it transforms the GTS..I find all 991s understeer in my hands unless its fitted with RWS..Maybe its because i lack finesse in trail braking and a better driver would not need RWS to counter understeer..

[Porsche911R]

Dave_T said:

Hi,

I’m having a bit of a ‘you only live once’ moment and considering a nearly new 991.2 GT3.

Any views on what the current going rate for ‘overs’ is on a well specced very low mileage car? I’m interested in the price at which people think deals are being done, rather than what’s advertised.

I’m struggling to find anything that matches the ‘fill your boots’ spec that I’d have gone for had my £10k deposit for a year turned into a build slot ??

Have most people specced Sport Chrono?

I have to say that a delivery miles 991.1 GT3 RS is starting to feel like an attractive option at current prices ....

Depends what you call well speced and low miles, cars range from £170k to £190k

The black jzm car was fill your boots and sold for asking at £188k , I have also known of cars go for £170k with 2k miles and comfort spec.

[MOORO]

I can’t believe how many 991.2 GT3’s are for sale. I had to literally plead with my dealership (and spent a decent chunk with them on new cooking models) to get a GT3 after a long drawn out process and even then I thought I had missed out until I pleaded one last time to get me over the line with a last minute allocation. Surely if lucky enough to get one, people will want to keep and enjoy them. Shoot me down in flames but I don’t quite get how some people get a GT3 and then get an RS allocation (and chop in the GT3 for a premium), surely you know which model you want, just mean others that might have been in with a shot of getting an allocation miss out. Anyway going to enjoy mine and keep and cherish it for many years....

[dvshannow]

MOORO said:

but I don’t quite get how some people get a GT3 and then get an RS allocation (and chop in the GT3 for a premium), surely you know which model you want, just mean others that might have been in with a shot of getting an allocation miss out. Anyway going to enjoy mine and keep and cherish it for many years....

Dont think its a case of indecisive buyers as much as the carry from flipping. If you offered a .2 rs allocation to a .2 gt3 owner now...with current market..likely id say they take it

[2010spy]

RSVP911 said:

Interesting you mention this - I noticed yesterday that a PDK 991.2 GTS is quicker than the 991.2 Manual GT3 - not that I care one bit, my cars super engaging and fast enough for me

You still getting a 991.2 GTS?

[RSVP911]

Taffy66 said:

RSVP911 said:

Can’t remember is your GT3 PDK - can’t remember ?

Did you drive a GTS .2 without RWS - does it really make that much difference ?

Have to say I love the way my GT3 feels - not sure how much is RWS and how much is everything else .

How does the GT3 / GTS compare from a chassis dynamic perspective ?

Mine is a PDK and with over 1K miles is bloody fast by any standards..Remember it has a 4.5% lower final drive ratio and even lower gears in 5 and 6, which will in itself given it an edge over a manual GT3..Despite being quicker than the manual, it makes it too fast for road driving and on balance i think the manual will be more fun and less frustrating on public roads.

I drove both RWS and non RWS back to back at Silverstone and it transforms the GTS..I find all 991s understeer in my hands unless its fitted with RWS..Maybe its because i lack finesse in trail braking and a better driver would not need RWS to counter understeer..

Cheers Taffy - I can understand your comment relating to frustration with the PDK GT3 on the road - I found my 991.1 RS the same - Although a piece of engineering genius, I felt that speed was the key to engagement/enjoyment in the RS and this is impossible to achieve on the road. IMHO a manual car delivers engagement and joy at normal speeds - this is why I think the 981 Spyder is as much fun as a manual 991.2 GT3 on the roads (I imagine the T will be similar).

Noted re the RWS - thanks. How would you compare your GT3 with your old .2 GTS ?

Cheers

[RSVP911]

2010spy said:

RSVP911 said:

Interesting you mention this - I noticed yesterday that a PDK 991.2 GTS is quicker than the 991.2 Manual GT3 - not that I care one bit, my cars super engaging and fast enough for me

You still getting a 991.2 GTS?

Hi there. Considering one for the current Mrs RSVP911

[Phooey]

I had a good drive of a mates manual 991.2 GTS on Sat night through some fast country lanes. It's not got RWS or PDCC - just standard -20 sus etc. It's a very very good car. I jumped out of my GT3 into the GTS and then later on back in my GT3 and yes you can just about notice the RWS on the GT3 on certain corners / bends but I don't think RWS would of made the GTS any better. It's a nice clean drive without the RWS. Oh, and It's bloody rapid!

[av185]

Wonder what the weight penalty is with rws.

[Taffy66]

RSVP911 said:

Noted re the RWS - thanks. How would you compare your GT3 with your old .2 GTS ?

Cheers

As a more understated, socially acceptable everyday Porsche my GT silver was the best Porsche i've ever owned..It was a staggeringly effective car at overtaking without scaring other road users..I could not detect any lag whatsoever...it must have a 'secret sauce' pre-spool anti-lag system fitted..!

On a track however the GT3 is way better, a lot of this attributed to the superior MPSCs and vastly more powerful steel brakes..I burnt through a pair of rear P zeros and brake pads at Silverstone whereas the GT3s brake/tyre combo still felt fresh..Put MPSCs and the same upgraded 410/410 PCCBs on both and i bet the GTS will be as quick on track..

One caveat is the GTS needs RWS to perform to its potential, otherwise it understeers on every corner taken flat-out..A GTS coupe with RWS and PCCBs to me is the perfect everyday Porsche..I drove both manual and PDK and liked both equally so its purely down to personal taste..
Have you considered a Targa/Cabrio GTS as i think they could be be even more enjoyable as a road car in either manual or PDK..The RWS also makes it more wieldy and nimble with less steering input required at low speeds...makes parking easier..

[franki68]

The gts is a cracking car ,as excited as I was about getting the gt3,I was sad I had such a short time with the gts.

[RSVP911]

Thanks everyone on GTS comments - sounds like it’s a nice thing

[Porsche911R]

RSVP911 said:

Thanks everyone on GTS comments - sounds like it’s a nice thing

It's a very nice thing, but it's just transport and no more fun, in fact I would say less fun then a Golf GTi CS.

[Fokker]

RSVP911 said:

Thanks everyone on GTS comments - sounds like it’s a nice thing

Great cars but I do remember the Gen 1 991 not riding that well on poor roads. Gen 2 might be different but the damping was firm which is fine but a little 'crashy' certainly compared to the GT4.

[RSVP911]

Fokker said:

Great cars but I do remember the Gen 1 991 not riding that well on poor roads. Gen 2 might be different but the damping was firm which is fine but a little 'crashy' certainly compared to the GT4.

Cheers - would be looking at a gen 2

Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 29th May 22:00

[MOORO]

I had a gen2 GTS with RWS and optional -10 rather than standard -20 PASM and the ride quality was excellent , refined and not crashy at all. Brilliant car and properly quick! Wish I could have kept it, but had to go to make room for the GT3.... :-)

Fokker said:

Great cars but I do remember the Gen 1 991 not riding that well on poor roads. Gen 2 might be different but the damping was firm which is fine but a little 'crashy' certainly compared to the GT4.