991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[JulierPass]

Porsche911R said:

I doubt it will be let go at £165k, it will prob sell at full price as it's the cheapest out there and priced to sell due to getting it cheap.

Any car you trade back to dealers you loose 8 to 10%, miles or not that's dealers margin for you.
Try selling a Ferrari back to a dealer :-) it's £20k plus if you catch them on a good day and they really want your car.

None of this is shocking, it's how the market and motor trade works !

Dealers put a 20K margin on a used GT car now. They will lose the first £5k (£15k margin) to do a deal. They will go down to a max of £10K margin if they have had the car in stock or a while. I know my group buyer personally, hence the info.

[browngt3]

Geneve said:

I disagree that they are fundamentally very different. I see them as fundamentally very similar.

Agree there are specification differences, but they are conceptually comparable, both great all time Porsches, and I'd be happy with either.

At current prices, I think the Touring is the better buy. However, I don't think 'R' prices will drop below £250k unless we witness a serious economic downturn, and then we will be looking at everything on the floor. A 911'R' should always be more than a 993RS, 997 Sport Classic, any Speedster, and any number of classic 911s.

Not sure about that. I would take a 993RS over a 911R

[Sierra Mike]

JulierPass said:

I don't think it's "fundamentally different". They are fundamentally the same in my book! I opted against buying an R because of the touring - the price difference was the main reason, and I have adopted the US attitude to the car. Why have you opted to go the other way?

I enjoy driving manual cars and the 911R is a manual RS. The Touring is just a GT3 but the 911R is more. Had I been so fortunate to get an allocation, the cost of my 911R spec was £147k which is circa £20k more than a spec'd 991.2 GT3 Touring. I think that you would accept that if both were the same price, you'd go for the 911R. What premium would you place on a 911R over a GT3 Touring?

Geneve said:

I disagree that they are fundamentally very different. I see them as fundamentally very similar.

Apologies - I should expand that statement to they're fundamentally very different cars in terms of character and especially with a single mass flywheel.

Geneve said:

Agree there are specification differences, but they are conceptually comparable, both great all time Porsches, and I'd be happy with either.

At current prices, I think the Touring is the better buy. However, I don't think 'R' prices will drop below £250k unless we witness a serious economic downturn, and then we will be looking at everything on the floor. A 911'R' should always be more than a 993RS, 997 Sport Classic, any Speedster, and any number of classic 911s.

It's hard to say where the car should be valued with reference to other cars however I do feel the 911R is very unique until another RS manual becomes available. To that end, I'm a little disappointed the new Speedster isn't more RS than GT3

[Porsche911R]

[quote=Sierra Mike]


I enjoy driving manual cars and the 911R is a manual RS.

[quote=Geneve]

not really, the R is tuned for the road. Narrow body, much less down force, less contact patch, softer sus etc etc.
Every thing the RS is these days the R is not.

It's a GT3 with some bespoke lighter parts.

[Cheib]

Porsche911R]ierra Mike said:

It's a GT3 with some bespoke lighter parts.

And the RS engine!

But yes I'd agree that whilst it has lighter body panels etc the chassis/suspension and aero which are probably the two defining features of the RS are not part of the R's DNA.

[Koln-RS]

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

[browngt3]

Koln-RS said:

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

Yes it is

[robgt3]

Koln-RS said:

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

I have owned and driven a 991 Gen 1 GT3 (6000 miles) and RS (6700miles) there is no doubt that the Gen 2 has the superior engine. It spins up quicker, has a bit more grunt and positively screams to 9000 rpm. The PDK box shifts even faster plus the turn in is sharper. All it lacks over my RS is the visual drama otherwise it is the better car . So far 7,200 miles and rising. Feel so sorry for those that own one and don't use it as Porsche intended.

[Dr S]

To me, the defining feature of the R above the Touring is the optional SMFW. Hence my pecking order is:

- R with SMFW
- Touring - as it has a proper engine
- R without SMWF

Curren tprices for Rs are still silly. I'd rather spend some more time saving up for a CGT

[Steve Rance]

browngt3 said:

Not sure about that. I would take a 993RS over a 911R

So would I

I have a feeling that a typical buyer of a 911R wouldnt even know what a 993RS was. From a drivers point of view, I find the obsession with specification all a little tiresome.

[Sierra Mike]

Koln-RS said:

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

As original PH 991.1 GT3 owners are aware, I'm no fan of the car's engine, however, I know of no such issues with the RS. You'll get no argument from me that the 991.2 GT3 engine is better. It's phenomenal.

Dr S said:

To me, the defining feature of the R above the Touring is the optional SMFW. Hence my pecking order is:

- R with SMFW
- Touring - as it has a proper engine
- R without SMWF

Curren tprices for Rs are still silly. I'd rather spend some more time saving up for a CGT

I'm in total agreement here and it mirrors my original point about the 911R being different in character. At a cost of £2,024, the single-mass flywheel made all the difference. For everyone stating that the R has some lighter bits, yes, it does but it's the sum of the parts that makes the car as different and special as it is to a wingless GT3.

[acey81]

Jesus, is 2300 miles suddenly high milage?

[Porsche911R]

Sierra Mike said:

Koln-RS said:

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

I'm in total agreement here and it mirrors my original point about the 911R being different in character. At a cost of £2,024, the single-mass flywheel made all the difference. For everyone stating that the R has some lighter bits, yes, it does but it's the sum of the parts that makes the car as different and special as it is to a wingless GT3.

we all agree hence it's not a manual RS ;-)

[Taffy66]

acey81 said:

Jesus, is 2300 miles suddenly high milage?

Its hardly run in in my book..However when you compare it to all the few hundred miles garage queens for sale at OPCs, then in that context it may be deemed to be above average miles..

[Sierra Mike]

Porsche911R said:

Sierra Mike said:

Koln-RS said:

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

I'm in total agreement here and it mirrors my original point about the 911R being different in character. At a cost of £2,024, the single-mass flywheel made all the difference. For everyone stating that the R has some lighter bits, yes, it does but it's the sum of the parts that makes the car as different and special as it is to a wingless GT3.

we all agree hence it's not a manual RS ;-)

Just so my words aren't taken out of context:

Sierra Mike said:

Koln-RS said:

Isn't a key attraction of the .2GT3 (standard or Touring), that it has a better engine than the .1GT3, RS or R ?

As original PH 991.1 GT3 owners are aware, I'm no fan of the car's engine, however, I know of no such issues with the RS. You'll get no argument from me that the 991.2 GT3 engine is better. It's phenomenal.

Dr S said:

To me, the defining feature of the R above the Touring is the optional SMFW. Hence my pecking order is:

- R with SMFW
- Touring - as it has a proper engine
- R without SMWF

Curren tprices for Rs are still silly. I'd rather spend some more time saving up for a CGT

I'm in total agreement here and it mirrors my original point about the 911R being different in character. At a cost of £2,024, the single-mass flywheel made all the difference. For everyone stating that the R has some lighter bits, yes, it does but it's the sum of the parts that makes the car as different and special as it is to a wingless GT3.

[gunner]

Inspired by this thread I just glanced at the OPC used cars website...46 GT3's for sale!!!... Truly hilarious.

[Twinfan]

Absolute madness, and now 47. That's 20 991.1s and 27 991.2s.

Plenty of 991.2 flippers about as there are off-book flips and non-OPC flips knocking about...

[Simonl72]

What’s the chance of another batch of GT3’s being released in UK this year? Any chance before 992 comes out? Desperate to get a build and have started building a “good” by my means list of trades with OPC.
OPC claim not to know if it’ll happen either way.
Any thoughts?

[flow99]

Simonl72 said:

What’s the chance of another batch of GT3’s being released in UK this year? Any chance before 992 comes out? Desperate to get a build and have started building a “good” by my means list of trades with OPC.
OPC claim not to know if it’ll happen either way.
Any thoughts?

No chance for third batch of GT3's

[Cheib]

flow99 said:

Simonl72 said:

What’s the chance of another batch of GT3’s being released in UK this year? Any chance before 992 comes out? Desperate to get a build and have started building a “good” by my means list of trades with OPC.
OPC claim not to know if it’ll happen either way.
Any thoughts?

No chance for third batch of GT3's

They know it definitely won't happen....but I'd suggest they're happy to let you give them business in the meantime "just in case". I'll be honest (unlike your OPC)....if that's how your OPC are playing things already I'd be looking at building a relationship with a different OPC. Doesn't bode well IMHO. If your Sales Exec if feeding you that line i'd try and have a straightforward chat with the Head of Sales/DP. Tell them your aspirations etc. If you've heard that from the HoS or DP then definitely exit stage left.

There might be a batch of GT3 RS's next year but it's by no means certain....I'd say your chances of getting one of them would be very,very difficult. They will almost certainly be spoken for/have several long term customers fighting for each one.