991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[Fokker]

Porsche911R said:

wish full thinking imo when 991.1 GT3 are so strong money wise, they need to really drop a lot.

£30k/£35k overs maybe in winter.

£20k overs is a pipe dream.

I can see 20k overs. Some very highly spec'd cars such as Tunbridge have sold for high 160's.
At 135k now that means a drop to £155k in the winter. Not so impossible I think. There are just too may for sale.
JZM have 3, some independents have more.

[Koln-RS]

Porsche911R said:

wish full thinking imo when 991.1 GT3 are so strong money wise, they need to really drop a lot.
£30k/£35k overs maybe in winter.
£20k overs is a pipe dream.

Unfortunately, I agree with P911R.
911'R's are still £350-400k, and whilst there may be room for negotiation, all this talk of prices dropping to £250k is very wishful thinking. Hence the £250k Tourings.
The new GT3 is clearly one of the all time great 911s, so whilst there's money around there'll be people who'll want them.
However,I do think it makes the GT4 look great value

[Phooey]

Porsche911R said:

Robbo66 said:

I think all will settle at £20k overs and quickly, end of Summer.

wish full thinking imo when 991.1 GT3 are so strong money wise, they need to really drop a lot.

£30k/£35k overs maybe in winter.

£20k overs is a pipe dream.

What cars are being advertised and sold at are 2 different numbers. IMO the real numbers 991.2 GT3s will be selling at (Trade/OPC sold price - not advertised price) will be £25-30k over list end of Summer. That's a big drop from the £50k premium/over asking prices we are seeing in the classifieds today. Sellers need to get real - too many cars for sale, and they aren't going up in value. An immediate £15-20k drop across the board to clear 50-75% of these cars for sale is what the market needs and will IMO help stabilise the prices going forward. It looks fking bad seeing 47 GT3s for sale - and that's just OPC cars - I haven't counted the independents / private sales.

[Robbo66]

Phooey said:

Porsche911R said:

Robbo66 said:

I think all will settle at £20k overs and quickly, end of Summer.

wish full thinking imo when 991.1 GT3 are so strong money wise, they need to really drop a lot.

£30k/£35k overs maybe in winter.

£20k overs is a pipe dream.

What cars are being advertised and sold at are 2 different numbers. IMO the real numbers 991.2 GT3s will be selling at (Trade/OPC sold price - not advertised price) will be £25-30k over list end of Summer. That's a big drop from the £50k premium/over asking prices we are seeing in the classifieds today. Sellers need to get real - too many cars for sale, and they aren't going up in value. An immediate £15-20k drop across the board to clear 50-75% of these cars for sale is what the market needs and will IMO help stabilise the prices going forward. It looks fking bad seeing 47 GT3s for sale - and that's just OPC cars - I haven't counted the independents / private sales.

Been offered lots at £170 now, with £138-£140k spec so £30k over. They will drop and settle at £20k over IMV, no pipe dream, been in it too long. Actually, think you could make a £160k offer on a £140k car and it would be considered, particularly as window closing. Those with GT3's will still consider this a pipe dream, not surprisingly. This is not rocket science, simple state of the market and I've no interest in talking market down.

[Sierra Mike]

m88ony said:

Robbo66 said:

I think all will settle at £20k overs and quickly, end of Summer. Can’t see list for a while, bar perhaps the 991.1 RS.
OPC’s stuffed as all now realise the slow records just been out on, party is finally over on the nouveau GT.

OPC still wins. It’s the owners who have been duped into the Ponzi scheme buying multiple non GT cars who lose.

Anyone who bought cars to drive rather than as investments is a winner. The only losers are people who bought cars to make money and deprived genuine enthusiasts in the process. Good. Very good. Burn baby burn.

[Porsche911R]

Robbo66 said:

Been offered lots at £170 now, with £138-£140k spec so £30k over. They will drop and settle at £20k over IMV, no pipe dream, been in it too long. Actually, think you could make a £160k offer on a £140k car and it would be considered, particularly as window closing. Those with GT3's will still consider this a pipe dream, not surprisingly. This is not rocket science, simple state of the market and I've no interest in talking market down.

I would like to see these £140k cars for a start, it's not easy to go that high on them. £29k options !
I just speced a gash car with loads of extra tat and very tat option in the most expensive colour it was £138k

I went ott on mine it was £132k.

I have to call custard test if you can buy a £140k speced up GT3 for £160k, I have to call custard test even seeing a £140k car !!!!

nice to read on forums in la la land , Just not possible out in the real world.

[anniesdad]

Sierra Mike said:

Anyone who bought cars to drive rather than as investments is a winner. The only losers are people who bought cars to make money and deprived genuine enthusiasts in the process. Good. Very good. Burn baby burn.

Bought a 996 GT3 mk2 at £39K, drove it 12k miles in 3 years, numerous trackdays and fast road days, sold at £29K at the market bottom....feel like I lost out.

I take your point though, I loved the car when I had it, loved my Caterham Supersport more though.

Would love a GT4. One day.

[r1flyguy1]

Porsche911R said:

I would like to see these £140k cars for a start, it's not easy to go that high on them. £29k options !
I just speced a gash car with loads of extra tat and very tat option in the most expensive colour it was £138k
I went ott on mine it was £132k.
I have to call custard test if you can buy a £140k speced up GT3 for £160k, I have to call custard test even seeing a £140k car !!!!

Likewise, i specced my ideal GT3.2 and it was £128k. Couldnt think of anything else i wanted to add without paying £150 for a painted key fob

My local OPC is solihull and they were stock piling flipper cars and still have all of them to my knowledge that havent sold but dropped in price. They are still way over what i would ever consider buying at.
Im only guessing that most the flipper owners got there GT2/3RS thus just had to sit back & wait to take delivery and didnt bother using the GT3 as its not what they wanted (just the profit in resale )

I personally only know one person who has kept theirs and uses it with no intention of selling it. Respect.

Edited by r1flyguy1 on Thursday 21st June 16:23

[tuffer]

r1flyguy1 said:

Likewise, i specced my ideal GT3.2 and it was £128k. Couldnt think of anything else i wanted to add without paying £150 for a painted key fob

My local OPC is solihull and they were stock piling flipper cars and still have all of them to my knowledge that havent sold but dropped in price. They are still way over what i would ever consider buying at.
Im only guessing that most the flipper owners got there GT2/3RS thus just had to sit back & wait to take delivery and didnt bother using the GT3 as its not what they wanted (just the profit in resale )

I personally only know one person who has kept theirs and uses it with no intention of selling it. Respect.

Edited by r1flyguy1 on Thursday 21st June 16:23

And that is why some people are walking away from the brand.

[mc_blue]

Porsche911R said:

I would like to see these £140k cars for a start, it's not easy to go that high on them. £29k options !
I just speced a gash car with loads of extra tat and very tat option in the most expensive colour it was £138k

I went ott on mine it was £132k.

I have to call custard test if you can buy a £140k speced up GT3 for £160k, I have to call custard test even seeing a £140k car !!!!

nice to read on forums in la la land , Just not possible out in the real world.

I got to £138k but had some silly things on there. Ceramics, lift, buckets will get you some of the way there.

[misiu1]

mc_blue said:

I got to £138k but had some silly things on there. Ceramics, lift, buckets will get you some of the way there.

Mine came in at 141k and nothing OTT on it at all, just a nice spec

[Cheib]

r1flyguy1 said:

Porsche911R said:

I would like to see these £140k cars for a start, it's not easy to go that high on them. £29k options !
I just speced a gash car with loads of extra tat and very tat option in the most expensive colour it was £138k
I went ott on mine it was £132k.
I have to call custard test if you can buy a £140k speced up GT3 for £160k, I have to call custard test even seeing a £140k car !!!!

Likewise, i specced my ideal GT3.2 and it was £128k. Couldnt think of anything else i wanted to add without paying £150 for a painted key fob

My local OPC is solihull and they were stock piling flipper cars and still have all of them to my knowledge that havent sold but dropped in price. They are still way over what i would ever consider buying at.
Im only guessing that most the flipper owners got there GT2/3RS thus just had to sit back & wait to take delivery and didnt bother using the GT3 as its not what they wanted (just the profit in resale )

I personally only know one person who has kept theirs and uses it with no intention of selling it. Respect.

Edited by r1flyguy1 on Thursday 21st June 16:23

Nobody is buying mine for £160k but it was £139k and a bit....things like deviated stitching, painted vents etc can do that to the price on top of all the normal big ticket options.

Definitely not a flippers spec.....although I took Mrs Cheib out in it for the first time last night and I think she’d like me to! It’s too loud, seats are too upright (clearly disciple of the 911R school of thought on the 918 buckets) and it’s just “not very comfortable”. Oh and she thought I was being childish when revving the engine out to 7k rpm!

[av185]

misiu1 said:

mc_blue said:

I got to £138k but had some silly things on there. Ceramics, lift, buckets will get you some of the way there.

Mine came in at 141k and nothing OTT on it at all, just a nice spec

£141K must be the highest spec unless anyone can beat this!

Mine came to only £131k with most 'essential' stuff.

[Cheib]

av185 said:

misiu1 said:

mc_blue said:

I got to £138k but had some silly things on there. Ceramics, lift, buckets will get you some of the way there.

Mine came in at 141k and nothing OTT on it at all, just a nice spec

£141K must be the highest spec unless anyone can beat this!

Mine came to only £131k with most 'essential' stuff.

Did that include VED ?!

[av185]

Cheib said:

Did that include VED ?!

No but it did include red stitching. :

[r1flyguy1]

Cheib said:

Nobody is buying mine for £160k but it was £139k and a bit....things like deviated stitching, painted vents etc can do that to the price on top of all the normal big ticket options.

Definitely not a flippers spec.....although I took Mrs Cheib out in it for the first time last night and I think she’d like me to! It’s too loud, seats are too upright (clearly disciple of the 911R school of thought on the 918 buckets) and it’s just “not very comfortable”. Oh and she thought I was being childish when revving the engine out to 7k rpm!

Sounds rather nice
Good man, in the words of Aretha R.E.S.P.E.C.T

[breadvan]

Cheib said:

Nobody is buying mine for £160k but it was £139k and a bit....things like deviated stitching, painted vents etc can do that to the price on top of all the normal big ticket options.

Definitely not a flippers spec.....although I took Mrs Cheib out in it for the first time last night and I think she’d like me to! It’s too loud, seats are too upright (clearly disciple of the 911R school of thought on the 918 buckets) and it’s just “not very comfortable”. Oh and she thought I was being childish when revving the engine out to 7k rpm!

I think our wives must be related.

[Taffy66]

Cheib said:

Nobody is buying mine for £160k but it was £139k and a bit....things like deviated stitching, painted vents etc can do that to the price on top of all the normal big ticket options.

Definitely not a flippers spec.....although I took Mrs Cheib out in it for the first time last night and I think she’d like me to! It’s too loud, seats are too upright (clearly disciple of the 911R school of thought on the 918 buckets) and it’s just “not very comfortable”. Oh and she thought I was being childish when revving the engine out to 7k rpm!

Funny you should say that, as my Mrs says exactly the same thing..And this is in my Spyder which she has only been in twice..She just won' t get in my GT3, and is pressurising me to sell it and get a Targa GTS instead with comfy seats...What cheek....!

[Wudee]

party is over imv. I see a lot of relatively fresh Porsche independents taking in a lot of stock and advertising silly prices. The ones that have been around for long time still price competitively. Lot of chancers out there. I am long Porsche(s) so defo not talking my own book. But this will hurt some before end of the year.

[Porsche911R]

Wudee said:

party is over imv. I see a lot of relatively fresh Porsche independents taking in a lot of stock and advertising silly prices. The ones that have been around for long time still price competitively. Lot of chancers out there. I am long Porsche(s) so defo not talking my own book. But this will hurt some before end of the year.

People said that about the GT4 but they are still 10k overs 3 years on, and 991.1 GT3 are still over list !

Not sure who this will hurt, most cars are on sor and worth more than list, so it’s not hurting anyone really as people will pay £20k overs no issue, no ones getting burnt fingers !

£20k is £20k tax free and we are not even at £20k yet ! Sell today and you will net £30k no problem, that’s a world of hurt lol.

OPC have caused the issue as they have flipped most of the stock, but they are paying peanuts for the cars in part ex for RS models etc.

Only people hurting are the people who paid £190k for them and that seems very few but that’s no where near as bad as people paying 400k for the 675lt which are now trading at £260k ! Or people buying new range rovers !!

Even buying a Audi TT will cost you £20k loss and £20k in finance so £40k to run for 3 years !

So running a £130k GT3 for 3 years even if you loose £30k seems cheap.

Gt3 use to be worth 60% of the value a few years back and guess what people bought them.

So who is it hurting ?