what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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NJH

2,962 posts

156 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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£100K LOL.

ISTR it said 14 grand the other day.

cmoose

45,184 posts

176 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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It's sold, people.

NJH

2,962 posts

156 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Not surprised, it looked like the ideal 996 for many people.

cmoose

45,184 posts

176 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Welcome to the motor trade. There's no profit in buying cars like these and sorting them out the parts prices alone would wipe any profit out, even if you weren't paying labour. They only way you're going to make money on an old 996 is to flip it without spending. So these guys will be no different in that regard.

I did actually consider starting up a business on the side trading in this stuff, starting with 986s. But when I looked at the proposition closely, it was very obvious that there was no way you were going to prep the cars properly and make any money. You'd have to be doing people over at both ends of the deal.

Edited by cmoose on Wednesday 26th April 22:48

YoungMD

287 posts

67 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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cmoose said:
Welcome to the motor trade. There's no profit in buying cars like these and sorting them out the parts prices alone would wipe any profit out, even if you weren't paying labour. They only way you're going to make money on an old 996 is to flip it without spending. So these guys will be no different in that regard.

I did actually consider starting up a business on the side trading in this stuff, starting with 986s. But when I looked at the proposition closely, it was very obvious that there was no way you were going to prep the cars properly and make any money. You'd have to be doing people over at both ends of the deal.

Edited by cmoose on Wednesday 26th April 22:48
Couldn't agree more, as an accountant I have looked at this proposition for a few friends and yes the only way to spend money is not to spend much money and just polish. Unfortunately that's why so many traders sell iffy cars, same as private just more expensive. Some very good garages do sort cars out before sale but they are the ones that do charge a premium. I've always thought the best purchase is from private seller that has ocd and maintains the car to a high standard.

cmoose

45,184 posts

176 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Not sure there's margin in it even for the pricier dealers with something like a 996 Carrera to spend sorting the thing. If the pricey dealers do it any different / add any value, it's via finding cars that don't need any spend in the first I think. But I am not convinced you're reliably getting much extra for your money from the pricey dealer.

As you say, buy a good car privately before the margin is added.

Greggy69

64 posts

53 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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cmoose said:
Welcome to the motor trade. There's no profit in buying cars like these and sorting them out the parts prices alone would wipe any profit out, even if you weren't paying labour. They only way you're going to make money on an old 996 is to flip it without spending. So these guys will be no different in that regard.

I did actually consider starting up a business on the side trading in this stuff, starting with 986s. But when I looked at the proposition closely, it was very obvious that there was no way you were going to prep the cars properly and make any money. You'd have to be doing people over at both ends of the deal.

Edited by cmoose on Wednesday 26th April 22:48
Thanks both for your comments. Will bear that in mind when I'm in a position to seriously consider a purchase. Hope to have the necessary funds in a few months .

gixermark

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677 posts

134 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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That first one looked OK until I saw the interior colour! I couldn't live wth that tan colour...

The silver one looks good... If that was the basalt blue I'd nearly compromise!

gixermark

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677 posts

134 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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If this was red..... Would most likely be jumping... Even with this colour it's tempting

How does this colour compare to basalt in the flesh?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

cmoose

45,184 posts

176 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Compared to basalt, it looks blue.

Gunk

2,562 posts

106 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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gixermark said:
If this was red..... Would most likely be jumping... Even with this colour it's tempting

How does this colour compare to basalt in the flesh?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
That looks like a proper genuine car, not that keen on the colour or wheels, but someone will like it.

Fast Bug

7,478 posts

108 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Basalt is black

gixermark

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677 posts

134 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Sorry! Meant cobalt blue!! 🙈

Fast Bug

7,478 posts

108 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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gixermark said:
Sorry! Meant cobalt blue!! ??
It's like BMW Estoril blue but a touch darker. Nice colour, was a special order metallic

griffter

3,327 posts

202 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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gixermark said:
If this was red..... Would most likely be jumping... Even with this colour it's tempting

How does this colour compare to basalt in the flesh?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.

gixermark

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677 posts

134 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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griffter said:
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.
It is very nice... What do you mean by bring a C4 it won't have any 'early' features?

gixermark

Original Poster:

677 posts

134 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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griffter said:
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.
It is very nice... What do you mean by bring a C4 it won't have any 'early' features?

ATM

9,872 posts

166 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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gixermark said:
griffter said:
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.
It is very nice... What do you mean by bring a C4 it won't have any 'early' features?
I'm not keen on Zenith.

Early features like cable throttle is not available - maybe - on the C4. I know you could get PSM on the C4 so therefore it might be electronic throttle. All guesses!

gixermark

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677 posts

134 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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As long as it's the 'safer' engine... Which it should be.. Then I'm ok, albeit would prefer a cable throttle, but by no means a deal breaker for me!

Fastlane

535 posts

164 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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As has already been said, don't get too hung up on early vs late, buy the best you can find. I looked at quite a few and even the so called good ones needed at least £3k spending on them. In the end I bought one that had had the most common age related work done (even the youngest 3.4s are 16 years old): suspension refresh + geo (£2k+), clutch + IMS + RMS (£1.5k+), headers and mufflers (£1k+), brake lines (£300+), wheel refurb (£400-£800), brakes (£500), tyres (£600) etc.

My car cost far more than I originally planned, but once I started looking I realised that cheap cars are cheap for a reason - the owner knows their are some big bills on the horizon. I would say that really good reasonable mileage manual 3.4s start at £16k (once you factor in the costs above), great low mileage ones are now £20k+. All will need money spending on them to a greater or lesser degree.

ATM said:
Early features like cable throttle is not available - maybe - on the C4. I know you could get PSM on the C4 so therefore it might be electronic throttle. All guesses!
You are right - all C4s had PSM as standard, and drive-by-wire throttle.

Unless you drive cable vs dbw throttle back to back, I would imagine most people couldn't tell the difference, especially as virtually all modern cars have dbw. You can buy a little gadget (Sprint Booster) for c.£150 that makes the dbw react faster if you like - people who have them seem to think they make a noticeable difference.