what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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Greggy69

87 posts

73 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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anonymous said:
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Thanks both for your comments. Will bear that in mind when I'm in a position to seriously consider a purchase. Hope to have the necessary funds in a few months .

gixermark

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712 posts

154 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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That first one looked OK until I saw the interior colour! I couldn't live wth that tan colour...

The silver one looks good... If that was the basalt blue I'd nearly compromise!

gixermark

Original Poster:

712 posts

154 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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If this was red..... Would most likely be jumping... Even with this colour it's tempting

How does this colour compare to basalt in the flesh?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Gunk

2,562 posts

126 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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gixermark said:
If this was red..... Would most likely be jumping... Even with this colour it's tempting

How does this colour compare to basalt in the flesh?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
That looks like a proper genuine car, not that keen on the colour or wheels, but someone will like it.

Fast Bug

9,485 posts

128 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Basalt is black

gixermark

Original Poster:

712 posts

154 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Sorry! Meant cobalt blue!! 🙈

Fast Bug

9,485 posts

128 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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gixermark said:
Sorry! Meant cobalt blue!! ??
It's like BMW Estoril blue but a touch darker. Nice colour, was a special order metallic

griffter

3,613 posts

222 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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gixermark said:
If this was red..... Would most likely be jumping... Even with this colour it's tempting

How does this colour compare to basalt in the flesh?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.

gixermark

Original Poster:

712 posts

154 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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griffter said:
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.
It is very nice... What do you mean by bring a C4 it won't have any 'early' features?

gixermark

Original Poster:

712 posts

154 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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griffter said:
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.
It is very nice... What do you mean by bring a C4 it won't have any 'early' features?

ATM

13,060 posts

186 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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gixermark said:
griffter said:
Never mind red, at least it's a colour. That's my kind of car and a very keen price.

As a C4 it won't have any "early" features but as I say above, IMHO, not worth getting hung up over. You're buying the car in front of you, not a list of things someone else tells you you need.

Bet it's gone in a week.
It is very nice... What do you mean by bring a C4 it won't have any 'early' features?
I'm not keen on Zenith.

Early features like cable throttle is not available - maybe - on the C4. I know you could get PSM on the C4 so therefore it might be electronic throttle. All guesses!

gixermark

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712 posts

154 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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As long as it's the 'safer' engine... Which it should be.. Then I'm ok, albeit would prefer a cable throttle, but by no means a deal breaker for me!

Fastlane

726 posts

184 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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As has already been said, don't get too hung up on early vs late, buy the best you can find. I looked at quite a few and even the so called good ones needed at least £3k spending on them. In the end I bought one that had had the most common age related work done (even the youngest 3.4s are 16 years old): suspension refresh + geo (£2k+), clutch + IMS + RMS (£1.5k+), headers and mufflers (£1k+), brake lines (£300+), wheel refurb (£400-£800), brakes (£500), tyres (£600) etc.

My car cost far more than I originally planned, but once I started looking I realised that cheap cars are cheap for a reason - the owner knows their are some big bills on the horizon. I would say that really good reasonable mileage manual 3.4s start at £16k (once you factor in the costs above), great low mileage ones are now £20k+. All will need money spending on them to a greater or lesser degree.

ATM said:
Early features like cable throttle is not available - maybe - on the C4. I know you could get PSM on the C4 so therefore it might be electronic throttle. All guesses!
You are right - all C4s had PSM as standard, and drive-by-wire throttle.

Unless you drive cable vs dbw throttle back to back, I would imagine most people couldn't tell the difference, especially as virtually all modern cars have dbw. You can buy a little gadget (Sprint Booster) for c.£150 that makes the dbw react faster if you like - people who have them seem to think they make a noticeable difference.

gixermark

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712 posts

154 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Very balanced & sensible advice - thanks

rubystone

11,252 posts

226 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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anonymous said:
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You're right. I did the same. The potential profit in a 996 at least means you might wipe your face if you take a bath on a car, but the margins on 986s just aren't worth it. It is very easy to land a £3k bill just sorting out the snags that a lot of cars serviced on the cheap notch up. Brake discs, condensors, dads, exhausts, tensioners, solenoids, smart repairs to PUs. All add up to a lot of money.

As you say, a trader tries to make money on both ends of the deal. Without that he could easily lose a chunk of money, Paul French has been salting decent cars away for the last couple of years now and with the price rises, he ought to be in a good position.

Dammit

3,676 posts

175 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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My MOT + minor service has turned into an engine out £4,000+ experience, and that's on top of ~£10k already spent.

If you are serious about getting these cars into as good a condition as they can be it's (in my case, at least) proven to be an expensive proposition.

Dammit

3,676 posts

175 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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With some bodywork to address the striker plate corrosion etc I think I'll be at (including purchase price of the car) £30,000 for a 60k mile 996, with everything in A1 condition. That's choosing to replace the serviceable roof with a new one to "fix" the cloudy plastic window, so some of this is definitely elective, but the majority of the 4k on the latest trip to the garage is required (engine came out to replace the bust AOS, whilst it was out we split the trans off and found the clutch was about to go etc).

Dammit

3,676 posts

175 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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You can "fix" the clouding in the plastic rear window:



But sadly it comes back as soon as you drop the roof, thereby folding the window over on itself, which is where the clouding occurs the most.

rubystone

11,252 posts

226 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Dammit said:
You can "fix" the clouding in the plastic rear window:



But sadly it comes back as soon as you drop the roof, thereby folding the window over on itself, which is where the clouding occurs the most.
I polished it with Autosol - you should've seen it when I first bought the car! Got your mail btw and will reply when near a PC Tuesday

Dammit

3,676 posts

175 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Sorry for the delay in replying to you - I'm only at my laptop as we have a blizzard here in Colorado and I'm stuck in the hotel.

They say the devil makes work for idle hands, so here it is - projected (with actual to date) costs for the first 12 months ownership of a 1998 996 911 cab (which, despite this, I really do like and intend on keeping until I can't get into it):