what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
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It's a strange mix - no door speakers, four spoke wheel, comfort seats, savannah interior, wear on the gearstick that is interesting for the mileage - I guess it's been held onto by one of the owners.
On the other hand, it's got the lower spec and therefore lighter stereo, you'd care less removing the stock seats and fitting buckets, that four spoke wheel would suit the bin very well and a Momo might look quite nice if you fitted black buckets and carpets.
Is there a sunroof? I can't tell, but doesn't look like there is one (I may well be wrong here).
The nasty wheels and "GT3" badge would see me swerve this car, and likewise if someone wants a car to keep OEM this one is a bit lacking, but if you wanted a base to modify this wouldn't be a poor choice, and the MOT history is unobjectionable.
On the other hand, it's got the lower spec and therefore lighter stereo, you'd care less removing the stock seats and fitting buckets, that four spoke wheel would suit the bin very well and a Momo might look quite nice if you fitted black buckets and carpets.
Is there a sunroof? I can't tell, but doesn't look like there is one (I may well be wrong here).
The nasty wheels and "GT3" badge would see me swerve this car, and likewise if someone wants a car to keep OEM this one is a bit lacking, but if you wanted a base to modify this wouldn't be a poor choice, and the MOT history is unobjectionable.
ooid said:
Do we now consider 111k miles as high mileage? spread over nearly 20 years.Another unusual ad, 911 auto.
Accepting offers people, go on, you know you want to
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Accepting offers people, go on, you know you want to
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
miles2018 said:
Do we now consider 111k miles as high mileage? spread over nearly 20 years.
Yep. Market is still very sensitive to miles and over 100k, however old the car, is considered high. Just means sensible people can still grab a relative bargain, which is fine if you actually want to drive the thing, it'll just never be collectable.
Fastlane said:
This car is now for sale with Friends Green at £21k - he's replaced the horrid wheels though:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-911-996-CARRERA...
Looks nice but interior for me would need to go. Lightweight spec (strip it all out and some Recaro pole positions, non airbag 3 spoke wheel, carpets out etc) would go nicely in there.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-911-996-CARRERA...
But too much money for me personally - I just don't value the sub 50k miles particularly highly, especially not for something that you're gonna modify (and/or use) and therefore kill the value anyway.
Edited by skinny on Sunday 24th June 19:18
i guess the red one is priced 'fairly' given the miles.... it looks a pretty clean aero kitted car, service history looks 'ok' woudl be good to know what has actually be done or if its just stamps in book.
but agree with the other comments.. the interior is just an absolute no no for me... i couldn't live with that
but agree with the other comments.. the interior is just an absolute no no for me... i couldn't live with that
The tanned leather tones are pretty popular with european sports cars, perhaps try riding in a car with such trim - it's not tasteless as you would initially think when looking at photos on the internet.
Too many male drivers obsessed with black interiors - it's become a cliche/stereotype.
TwinExit said:
The tanned leather tones are pretty popular with european sports cars, perhaps try riding in a car with such trim - it's not tasteless as you would initially think when looking at photos on the internet.
Too many male drivers obsessed with black interiors - it's become a cliche/stereotype.
Porsche interiors from the 90's/00's were just too much of one colour. Most other manufacturers would break it up with a black dash/steering wheel and maybe dual colour door panels. Not Porsche, it's a sea of grey/beige/nappy poo brown/add/delete as applicable Too many male drivers obsessed with black interiors - it's become a cliche/stereotype.
I'm going to add a black Cup steering wheel, black mats and body coloured centre console to mine to break up the grey
Any thoughts on this one ...... ?
https://www.fratellicars.com/porsche-911-carrera-2
I went to see it on Saturday and it appears pretty honest and straight. There are a few mis-descriptions in the ad, but it's a reasonable miles, non-sunroof, LSD, cable throttle car, at what appears to be ok money.
It's had some paint, but the match is good. The ruffled leather isn't to my taste, but trying to find a car that isn't "briefcase grey" inside is almost impossible !
There are some invoices in the history referring to IMS / RMS oil leaks, but it doesn't look more than misting at this point (no drips). The selling dealer has said they will attend to the IMS, which is good to hear and gives some comfort.
Cosmetically it is nice, so I think it comes down to the state of the wear and tear components (brakes are fine), but bushes, shocks, clutch etc could all be shot - potentially making it into an expensive car.....
I'm having it PPI'd by Parr later this week, inc bore-scope, which will tell all.
I'm struggling to work out what the "right price" is for these cars.
https://www.fratellicars.com/porsche-911-carrera-2
I went to see it on Saturday and it appears pretty honest and straight. There are a few mis-descriptions in the ad, but it's a reasonable miles, non-sunroof, LSD, cable throttle car, at what appears to be ok money.
It's had some paint, but the match is good. The ruffled leather isn't to my taste, but trying to find a car that isn't "briefcase grey" inside is almost impossible !
There are some invoices in the history referring to IMS / RMS oil leaks, but it doesn't look more than misting at this point (no drips). The selling dealer has said they will attend to the IMS, which is good to hear and gives some comfort.
Cosmetically it is nice, so I think it comes down to the state of the wear and tear components (brakes are fine), but bushes, shocks, clutch etc could all be shot - potentially making it into an expensive car.....
I'm having it PPI'd by Parr later this week, inc bore-scope, which will tell all.
I'm struggling to work out what the "right price" is for these cars.
none kitted coupe with sport classic11, what's not to like. I am missing the fascination with non sunroof cars, I've had mine open every day, lets you hear the glorious sound.
if it helps you price it, mine was £15.5K with 118K miles but it did come with a £5.5K Hartech receipt for work that had just been done.
if it helps you price it, mine was £15.5K with 118K miles but it did come with a £5.5K Hartech receipt for work that had just been done.
That looks pretty decent - for me, those exhaust tips would have to go, and the seats look more worn on 75k than mine on do on 169k, but neither of those would be deal breakers for me.
What does having the IMS 'attended to' mean? On an early car like that probably best to just leave it be.
See what comes back on the inspection - if it's clean it looks good.
Likely you'd need to have the wheel refurbed every couple of years as the split rims corrode round the bolts.
What does having the IMS 'attended to' mean? On an early car like that probably best to just leave it be.
See what comes back on the inspection - if it's clean it looks good.
Likely you'd need to have the wheel refurbed every couple of years as the split rims corrode round the bolts.
Jamie Summers said:
Any thoughts on this one ...... ?
https://www.fratellicars.com/porsche-911-carrera-2
I went to see it on Saturday and it appears pretty honest and straight. There are a few mis-descriptions in the ad, but it's a reasonable miles, non-sunroof, LSD, cable throttle car, at what appears to be ok money.
It's had some paint, but the match is good. The ruffled leather isn't to my taste, but trying to find a car that isn't "briefcase grey" inside is almost impossible !
There are some invoices in the history referring to IMS / RMS oil leaks, but it doesn't look more than misting at this point (no drips). The selling dealer has said they will attend to the IMS, which is good to hear and gives some comfort.
Cosmetically it is nice, so I think it comes down to the state of the wear and tear components (brakes are fine), but bushes, shocks, clutch etc could all be shot - potentially making it into an expensive car.....
I'm having it PPI'd by Parr later this week, inc bore-scope, which will tell all.
I'm struggling to work out what the "right price" is for these cars.
Borescore shouldn't really be an issue for a '99 3.4 should it? IMS may be best left alone (or just outer seal removed)https://www.fratellicars.com/porsche-911-carrera-2
I went to see it on Saturday and it appears pretty honest and straight. There are a few mis-descriptions in the ad, but it's a reasonable miles, non-sunroof, LSD, cable throttle car, at what appears to be ok money.
It's had some paint, but the match is good. The ruffled leather isn't to my taste, but trying to find a car that isn't "briefcase grey" inside is almost impossible !
There are some invoices in the history referring to IMS / RMS oil leaks, but it doesn't look more than misting at this point (no drips). The selling dealer has said they will attend to the IMS, which is good to hear and gives some comfort.
Cosmetically it is nice, so I think it comes down to the state of the wear and tear components (brakes are fine), but bushes, shocks, clutch etc could all be shot - potentially making it into an expensive car.....
I'm having it PPI'd by Parr later this week, inc bore-scope, which will tell all.
I'm struggling to work out what the "right price" is for these cars.
Looks a good price if the dealer is prepared to stand by the car should any problems occur. Hope the PPI doesn't throw up anything nasty. (btw, needs ambers...
)Jamie Summers said:
Any thoughts on this one ...... ?
https://www.fratellicars.com/porsche-911-carrera-2
I went to see it on Saturday and it appears pretty honest and straight. There are a few mis-descriptions in the ad, but it's a reasonable miles, non-sunroof, LSD, cable throttle car, at what appears to be ok money.
It's had some paint, but the match is good. The ruffled leather isn't to my taste, but trying to find a car that isn't "briefcase grey" inside is almost impossible !
There are some invoices in the history referring to IMS / RMS oil leaks, but it doesn't look more than misting at this point (no drips). The selling dealer has said they will attend to the IMS, which is good to hear and gives some comfort.
Cosmetically it is nice, so I think it comes down to the state of the wear and tear components (brakes are fine), but bushes, shocks, clutch etc could all be shot - potentially making it into an expensive car.....
I'm having it PPI'd by Parr later this week, inc bore-scope, which will tell all.
I'm struggling to work out what the "right price" is for these cars.
76000 miles is a tricky mileage. It's low enough to fetch a small premium, but high enough to be hiding some big bills. It's all going to come down to the report. If the report is good then I would grab it at that price.https://www.fratellicars.com/porsche-911-carrera-2
I went to see it on Saturday and it appears pretty honest and straight. There are a few mis-descriptions in the ad, but it's a reasonable miles, non-sunroof, LSD, cable throttle car, at what appears to be ok money.
It's had some paint, but the match is good. The ruffled leather isn't to my taste, but trying to find a car that isn't "briefcase grey" inside is almost impossible !
There are some invoices in the history referring to IMS / RMS oil leaks, but it doesn't look more than misting at this point (no drips). The selling dealer has said they will attend to the IMS, which is good to hear and gives some comfort.
Cosmetically it is nice, so I think it comes down to the state of the wear and tear components (brakes are fine), but bushes, shocks, clutch etc could all be shot - potentially making it into an expensive car.....
I'm having it PPI'd by Parr later this week, inc bore-scope, which will tell all.
I'm struggling to work out what the "right price" is for these cars.
jonny996 said:
none kitted coupe with sport classic11, what's not to like. I am missing the fascination with non sunroof cars, I've had mine open every day, lets you hear the glorious sound.
if it helps you price it, mine was £15.5K with 118K miles but it did come with a £5.5K Hartech receipt for work that had just been done.
I know what you mean about the sunroof, but I never use them on any car I've owned, plus the mechanisms can be problematic and blocked drains cause grief. It's also weight in the wrong place, though that's a pretty insignificant point. On balance I'd prefer not to have one, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.if it helps you price it, mine was £15.5K with 118K miles but it did come with a £5.5K Hartech receipt for work that had just been done.
There's no evidence of major engine work having been done on this car, which is the lottery element, thus I suspect it's either going to be quite good value or ruinously expensive - I don't see much middle ground with this car. We'll see what Parr's thoughts are on the RMS / IMS, so it hasn't yet been decided what the dealer will or won't do. They gave me every confidence that they would do "the right thing" by the car and have been very open about sharing the history etc.
Ultimately my plan is to put some black Fuchs on it, possibly a duck tail, some decent shocks, get the stance right, then use it. It won't be for track or for show - just something that can be used by the family without too much fuss. The interior is much better in real life - the ruffled leather makes it look much tattier than it is.
Does that look like a "sports" exhaust as described in the ad ???? I have a suspicion they're just chrome tips (which I'd probably get rid of too).
Happy with no sun roof in mine as it give a bit more head room, but I have a panoramic roof in the Touareg, and that gets used a lot.
At 76k, you'll be looking potentially at things like (if not already done) rads, AC condensers, clutch, RMS, wheel bearings, coffin arms, shocks (though mine are still original at 170k), general suspension bushes, top mounts. These are most of the bits that I saw fail on the approach to 100k.
Also have the manifolds checked - expensive job to change them.
If you're going to lower it you'll want new shocks, and you may as well do most of the other smaller suspension components in the process arms, tie rods, top mounts, bushes etc) as you'll save on overall labour costs. Pretty easy to run up £4k on this in parts and labour.
Can't tell what exhaust is on it, but those tip are not from a narrow body 996.
At 76k, you'll be looking potentially at things like (if not already done) rads, AC condensers, clutch, RMS, wheel bearings, coffin arms, shocks (though mine are still original at 170k), general suspension bushes, top mounts. These are most of the bits that I saw fail on the approach to 100k.
Also have the manifolds checked - expensive job to change them.
If you're going to lower it you'll want new shocks, and you may as well do most of the other smaller suspension components in the process arms, tie rods, top mounts, bushes etc) as you'll save on overall labour costs. Pretty easy to run up £4k on this in parts and labour.
Can't tell what exhaust is on it, but those tip are not from a narrow body 996.
Chris Stott said:
Happy with no sun roof in mine as it give a bit more head room, but I have a panoramic roof in the Touareg, and that gets used a lot.
At 76k, you'll be looking potentially at things like (if not already done) rads, AC condensers, clutch, RMS, wheel bearings, coffin arms, shocks (though mine are still original at 170k), general suspension bushes, top mounts. These are most of the bits that I saw fail on the approach to 100k.
Also have the manifolds checked - expensive job to change them.
If you're going to lower it you'll want new shocks, and you may as well do most of the other smaller suspension components in the process arms, tie rods, top mounts, bushes etc) as you'll save on overall labour costs. Pretty easy to run up £4k on this in parts and labour.
Can't tell what exhaust is on it, but those tip are not from a narrow body 996.
An invoice from last year pointed out most of those as issues for future action........ Dealer will sort A/c (properly, not just "re-gas") as it is not working (condensors), clutch seems ok - prob still original, but pedal not heavy - will get it changed if IMS / RMS are being replaced and may throw a LWFW at it. Some suspension parts were replaced last year to cure a knocking noise, but it wasn't very clear what. The shocks are almost certainly original (the bump stops looked quite perished). I agree that replacing shocks and all rubber and links in the suspension could easily run to £4k. There is also a blow from one of the back boxes.At 76k, you'll be looking potentially at things like (if not already done) rads, AC condensers, clutch, RMS, wheel bearings, coffin arms, shocks (though mine are still original at 170k), general suspension bushes, top mounts. These are most of the bits that I saw fail on the approach to 100k.
Also have the manifolds checked - expensive job to change them.
If you're going to lower it you'll want new shocks, and you may as well do most of the other smaller suspension components in the process arms, tie rods, top mounts, bushes etc) as you'll save on overall labour costs. Pretty easy to run up £4k on this in parts and labour.
Can't tell what exhaust is on it, but those tip are not from a narrow body 996.
Thus this could be a car with every single one of the age-related issues that early 996s can suffer from......
The question then becomes how much money does it make sense to spend both at purchase point and then on getting it to how I want it. I get to £10k on bits and bobs without trying very hard - and that would not create a £25k car ! I think a lot will come down to how willing the dealer is to put things right, though I really can't imagine they have a lot of margin in it.
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