what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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Fast Bug

11,667 posts

161 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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Nope it's definitely ruffled. I know this as a) I sold them new and b) I've got a price list in front of me

James76G

346 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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Filibuster said:
....an early non sunroof, black on black 996 C4 (are these considered to be early too, even tough they always where e-throttle?)
I have wondered this myself, especially with respect to the '98 and '99 model year C4 examples out there.

porkey

630 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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These cars are getting old now and the wrong car will swallow money pretty quickly.
A £14k 996 can very easily turn into a £20k 996
A nice one needing next to nothing with bills to prove will always command a premium IMO.

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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Dammit said:
I know mine is a cab, but - when I bought it the car was on 60,000 miles, had hard backed sports seats, manual with functioning factory LSD, three spoke steering wheel, the same Targa ten spokes as the car in that add, it's original amber lights, brand new PS4's, and was £9,500.
You got a bargain. You also bartered the seller down 3500 after inspection so it was probably advertised around 13000 which sounds about right or perhaps still a tad low. Then you hit them in the balls, hard.

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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porkey said:
These cars are getting old now and the wrong car will swallow money pretty quickly.
A £14k 996 can very easily turn into a £20k 996
A nice one needing next to nothing with bills to prove will always command a premium IMO.
I'd like to think so as I own one but the truth is buyers will only look at the price and you will get zero interest advertising one of these cars for 20k.

James76G

346 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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porkey said:
These cars are getting old now and the wrong car will swallow money pretty quickly.
A £14k 996 can very easily turn into a £20k 996
A nice one needing next to nothing with bills to prove will always command a premium IMO.
As somebody looking to get in to the market, this cost escalation remains a significant concern. My last Porsche (944 S2) cost me £5k ish over two years and even then there was loads that still wasn't right with it, albeit mainly cosmetic.

The dilemma then is do I buy a £14K to buy a 996 C2 3.4 but risk it quickly becoming a £20k car. Or do I buy a 997 C2 3.6 for £25k which "shouldn't" need as much doing to it, but "might" be more susceptible to bore scoring. Choices, choices.

porkey

630 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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ATM said:
I'd like to think so as I own one but the truth is buyers will only look at the price and you will get zero interest advertising one of these cars for 20k.
Anyone with any sense will look beyond the initial purchase price and consider the potential spend going forward.

porkey

630 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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James76G said:
As somebody looking to get in to the market, this cost escalation remains a significant concern. My last Porsche (944 S2) cost me £5k ish over two years and even then there was loads that still wasn't right with it, albeit mainly cosmetic.

The dilemma then is do I buy a £14K to buy a 996 C2 3.4 but risk it quickly becoming a £20k car. Or do I buy a 997 C2 3.6 for £25k which "shouldn't" need as much doing to it, but "might" be more susceptible to bore scoring. Choices, choices.
PM sent.

Filibuster

3,141 posts

215 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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James76G said:
porkey said:
These cars are getting old now and the wrong car will swallow money pretty quickly.
A £14k 996 can very easily turn into a £20k 996
A nice one needing next to nothing with bills to prove will always command a premium IMO.
As somebody looking to get in to the market, this cost escalation remains a significant concern. My last Porsche (944 S2) cost me £5k ish over two years and even then there was loads that still wasn't right with it, albeit mainly cosmetic.

The dilemma then is do I buy a £14K to buy a 996 C2 3.4 but risk it quickly becoming a £20k car. Or do I buy a 997 C2 3.6 for £25k which "shouldn't" need as much doing to it, but "might" be more susceptible to bore scoring. Choices, choices.
I was in this dilemma 3/4 years ago. Then I was looking at 996 cars for around £16k and ended up buying a 997 C2 with 185k miles on the clock for £20k from it's second owner. (keep in mind this was in 2017 and in Switzerland)

Now 3 years and 20k miles later I'm staggered off how little the car wanted for. I bought wisely and the car came with a huge folder full with every single receipt from the second owner who did 25k miles/p.a. and had had it serviced twice a year. And you wouldn't beliefe the condition of it, especially inside.

In general I bought all my cars with relatively high mileage. I always buy on condition and history and am not really fussed about what the odometer says.
I much rather buy a 120k miles example with lots of work carried out, than a 60k miles car that only ever had oil/brakes changes or no history at all. Also the 120k miles car will be much cheaper. And you don't have to worry about putting miles on them.
But then again I tend to keep these cars long term and I'm not really fussed about residuals buying from the low end of the market.

shalmaneser

5,931 posts

195 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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James76G said:
Filibuster said:
....an early non sunroof, black on black 996 C4 (are these considered to be early too, even tough they always where e-throttle?)
I have wondered this myself, especially with respect to the '98 and '99 model year C4 examples out there.
Certainly early, but not as desirable to the proper 'cork sniffers'.

I think they all came with PSM as well which was a turn off for me personally.

Filibuster

3,141 posts

215 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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shalmaneser said:
James76G said:
Filibuster said:
....an early non sunroof, black on black 996 C4 (are these considered to be early too, even tough they always where e-throttle?)
I have wondered this myself, especially with respect to the '98 and '99 model year C4 examples out there.
Certainly early, but not as desirable to the proper 'cork sniffers'.

I think they all came with PSM as well which was a turn off for me personally.
'cork sniffers' laugh

Indeed, C4s all did have PSM. PSM reacquires e-throttle and with the 996 it is: e-throttle = PSM.
For me at the time I was intrigued by the non-sunroof C4 that has the same stiff chassis as the GT3.

James76G

346 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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shalmaneser said:
Certainly early, but not as desirable to the proper 'cork sniffers'.

I think they all came with PSM as well which was a turn off for me personally.
Thanks, I had forgotten about the inclusion of PSM.

Do you (or anybody else) know if door airbags were an option on the early cars. I've seen early cars both with and without but it seems quite inconsistent.

Dammit

3,790 posts

208 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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porkey said:
Anyone with any sense will look beyond the initial purchase price and consider the potential spend going forward.
Here's my take on that (project thread on my 996): http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=120709&start=...

porkey

630 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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Dammit said:
Here's my take on that (project thread on my 996): http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=120709&start=...
Yes..... I've read it.smile

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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James76G said:
porkey said:
These cars are getting old now and the wrong car will swallow money pretty quickly.
A £14k 996 can very easily turn into a £20k 996
A nice one needing next to nothing with bills to prove will always command a premium IMO.
As somebody looking to get in to the market, this cost escalation remains a significant concern. My last Porsche (944 S2) cost me £5k ish over two years and even then there was loads that still wasn't right with it, albeit mainly cosmetic.

The dilemma then is do I buy a £14K to buy a 996 C2 3.4 but risk it quickly becoming a £20k car. Or do I buy a 997 C2 3.6 for £25k which "shouldn't" need as much doing to it, but "might" be more susceptible to bore scoring. Choices, choices.
Yes this happened to me. I bought my 1998 996 c2 thinking I had done well because it was a bit tatty on the outside but had a recent home brewed engine rebuild, very recent tricky KW clubsport coil over dampers and various other suspension changes / upgrades, new rads, clutch and various other bits. I then got hit with a £2500 bill at its first service for various pipes and tubes. Pretty much every possible pipe and tube you can imagine for power steering, coolant, clutch fluid and brakes and also gear linkage cables and slave cylinder. I thought ok thats the car right now top to bottom. Then the gearbox disintegrated. I sourced a 2nd had one from Germany for £2500 and paid a bit for the removal and refitting. So that adds up to 6 grand or there abouts. Nothing since but to be honest I've not take it in for a service because it only does about 3000 miles a year and I'm thinking I may as well do oil and stuff myself. I put mine up for sale just after all that work was done and got zero interest. It was only advertised on PH and at the time I was asking 14000.

Baked_bean

1,908 posts

192 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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As someone in the market for a 996 or possibly a 986....the fact that the silver car sold so fast is intriguing? It appears to be looked after but there are a few other similar cars in the market at similar prices that have sat...
Hopefully going to see a PHers car this weekend though, fingers crossed it is the one.

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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Baked_bean said:
As someone in the market for a 996 or possibly a 986....the fact that the silver car sold so fast is intriguing? It appears to be looked after but there are a few other similar cars in the market at similar prices that have sat...
Hopefully going to see a PHers car this weekend though, fingers crossed it is the one.
We'll never know what drove someone to buy that car. It could have been as simple as location. But it does show us that cars are selling so there are clearly some buyers out there. There might only be a few or there might be lots waiting for the perfect car. Try not to concern yourself with all that and just look at some cars and decide if you're a buyer. I don't think perfect cars exist so you just buy on merits and pick one. Worst case you buy a pup and it costs you a few quid but you'll still have a 996 you can enjoy. Dont lose sight of that.

James76G

346 posts

184 months

Wednesday 20th May 2020
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Baked_bean said:
As someone in the market for a 996 or possibly a 986....the fact that the silver car sold so fast is intriguing? It appears to be looked after but there are a few other similar cars in the market at similar prices that have sat...
Hopefully going to see a PHers car this weekend though, fingers crossed it is the one.
It was a "no-go" on the inspection for the Zenith Blue one you were looking at then?

n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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Any thoughts on Friends Green?

I've fallen a bit for this one Link.

Its quite expensive I think, but it seems to have had a decent amount of work done on it?

skinny

5,269 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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Looks good. However i wouldn't be surprised if they picked it up for £14k a month ago, which personally I'd find a bit galling.