991.2 GT3 Deposit

[Desert Dragon]

Granfondo said:

The whole "you need to buy a few cars to be worthy of a CHANCE of GT3" stinks and maybe even illegal if they are taking £10k deposits on cars they KNOW the customer will never get!
If a deposit is asked for and placed then you should definitely get a car and if you miss out on a 17my car then you should be top of the 18my list!
I have a friend who is going down this exploitive road at the moment!

Agree that would be illegal but how can one prove you were never going to get a car?

[Granfondo]

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

The whole "you need to buy a few cars to be worthy of a CHANCE of GT3" stinks and maybe even illegal if they are taking £10k deposits on cars they KNOW the customer will never get!
If a deposit is asked for and placed then you should definitely get a car and if you miss out on a 17my car then you should be top of the 18my list!
I have a friend who is going down this exploitive road at the moment!

Agree that would be illegal but how can one prove you were never going to get a car?

By not getting one maybe?

[Desert Dragon]

Granfondo said:

By not getting one maybe?

They're pretty clear even doing lots of biz with them doesn't guarantee a GT3 slot. Not the best situation but it is what it is. I hope Porsche make a few more than originally anticipated due to VWs current issues. Even if I do not get one not the end of the world but the vids of the car have made me even more keen to get my hands on a car!

[Granfondo]

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

By not getting one maybe?

They're pretty clear even doing lots of biz with them doesn't guarantee a GT3 slot. Not the best situation but it is what it is. I hope Porsche make a few more than originally anticipated due to VWs current issues. Even if I do not get one not the end of the world but the vids of the car have made me even more keen to get my hands on a car!

This is what Porsche say about deposits.


Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process.

I couldn't find the bit about buying other cars makes your deposit more worthy!

[Desert Dragon]

Granfondo said:

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

By not getting one maybe?

They're pretty clear even doing lots of biz with them doesn't guarantee a GT3 slot. Not the best situation but it is what it is. I hope Porsche make a few more than originally anticipated due to VWs current issues. Even if I do not get one not the end of the world but the vids of the car have made me even more keen to get my hands on a car!

This is what Porsche say about deposits.


Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process.

I couldn't find the bit about buying other cars makes your deposit more worthy!

not disagreeing buddy but this is where we are

your friend doesn't seem to mind

[Granfondo]

Desert Dragon said:

not disagreeing buddy but this is where we are

your friend doesn't seem to mind

The salesman seems happy also!

[tuffer]

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

By not getting one maybe?

They're pretty clear even doing lots of biz with them doesn't guarantee a GT3 slot. Not the best situation but it is what it is. I hope Porsche make a few more than originally anticipated due to VWs current issues. Even if I do not get one not the end of the world but the vids of the car have made me even more keen to get my hands on a car!

This is what Porsche say about deposits.


Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process.

I couldn't find the bit about buying other cars makes your deposit more worthy!

not disagreeing buddy but this is where we are

your friend doesn't seem to mind

I think the key thing is that your deposit is not confirmed until they countersign the order form. They ask for your money and that you sign but do not countersign.

[Granfondo]

tuffer said:

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

By not getting one maybe?

They're pretty clear even doing lots of biz with them doesn't guarantee a GT3 slot. Not the best situation but it is what it is. I hope Porsche make a few more than originally anticipated due to VWs current issues. Even if I do not get one not the end of the world but the vids of the car have made me even more keen to get my hands on a car!

This is what Porsche say about deposits.


Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process.

I couldn't find the bit about buying other cars makes your deposit more worthy!

not disagreeing buddy but this is where we are

your friend doesn't seem to mind

I think the key thing is that your deposit is not confirmed until they countersign the order form. They ask for your money and that you sign but do not countersign.

And that is the problem with taking £10k!
If it is just a signature that is needed for the form then sign the form and when they are in a position to countersign then give them the £10k?

[n17ves]

tuffer said:

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

Desert Dragon said:

Granfondo said:

By not getting one maybe?

They're pretty clear even doing lots of biz with them doesn't guarantee a GT3 slot. Not the best situation but it is what it is. I hope Porsche make a few more than originally anticipated due to VWs current issues. Even if I do not get one not the end of the world but the vids of the car have made me even more keen to get my hands on a car!

This is what Porsche say about deposits.


Deposit
After you have explored the Porsche model range in depth and made your decision, you will need to place a preliminary deposit. This legally confirms your order and places it within the Porsche production process.

I couldn't find the bit about buying other cars makes your deposit more worthy!

not disagreeing buddy but this is where we are

your friend doesn't seem to mind

I think the key thing is that your deposit is not confirmed until they countersign the order form. They ask for your money and that you sign but do not countersign.

You mean the deposit that was paid over the phone, not in person.... distance contract.

[tuffer]

n17ves said:

You mean the deposit that was paid over the phone, not in person.... distance contract.

Correct, it was over the phone and then they emailed a form for me to sign which I did and returned, they then did not countersign or return.

[Porsche911R]

just don't pay a deposit unless you have an order, why do people hand over £10k and then moan for ever on here about it !

[tuffer]

Porsche911R said:

just don't pay a deposit unless you have an order, why do people hand over £10k and then moan for ever on here about it !

Because if you don't pay a deposit how are you supposed to get a car, other than buying several other cars a year and waiting for an invite. I have bought a few cars before, that typically involves placing a deposit.
Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.

Edited by tuffer on Friday 19th May 14:40

[n17ves]

tuffer said:

n17ves said:

You mean the deposit that was paid over the phone, not in person.... distance contract.

Correct, it was over the phone and then they emailed a form for me to sign which I did and returned, they then did not countersign or return.

And you need a counter signature for what reason?

I think its quite clear that an implied contract is in place when the T&Cs have been provided in return for the requested deposit, particularly when the customer is not present to sign....

[Cheib]

tuffer said:

Porsche911R said:

just don't pay a deposit unless you have an order, why do people hand over £10k and then moan for ever on here about it !

Because if you don't pay a deposit how are you supposed to get a car, other than buying several other cars a year and waiting for an invite. I have bought a few cars before, that typically involves placing a deposit.
Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.

Edited by tuffer on Friday 19th May 14:40

The treatment you got from your OPC gets worse every time I read about it. Didn't realise they'd sent you an order form too....and then not counter-signed it. Mind as I said earlier in an earlier post the order form I have seen is as you would expect very one sided.

[n17ves]

Porsche911R said:

just don't pay a deposit unless you have an order, why do people hand over £10k and then moan for ever on here about it !

Silly comment.

You know full well that some OPC's request a deposit (rightly or wrongly) to be considered.

The issue is when a northern OPC take 70+ speculative £10k deposits......

Edited by n17ves on Friday 19th May 14:48

[av185]

tuffer said:

Just to be clear, I am not whinging about paying a £10K deposit, that I could not care less about. What I was not happy with was the dealer then coming back once they had my deposit and saying that I should buy a few other cars in order to try and improve my chances.

Edited by tuffer on Friday 19th May 14:40

Rightly or wrongly, this is now widespread particularly with franchised OPCs.

But at least they gave you the 3 options. Request the deposit back, leave things as they are or buy a few cars hopefully leading to a GT3.

The old days have long gone!

[throt]

av185 said:

or buy a few cars hopefully leading to a GT3.

Hi D,

The quote above is fine if its entirely left to the consumer to ""decide"". Although, its a mugs game because there would still be no definite allocation.

If its the OPC stating it, using the GT3 as a ""shifting more units tool"", then, imo, it really is stinky.

Hope your well, bud..

[Hobo]

Don't see the massive issue really. I also put my name down for a GT3 with Leed's and simply received a call saying they had 11 cars allocated to them, which unfortunately we're going to others (who have done significantly more business with them than myself). They never requested a deposit from me, or buying other cars to assist my chances.

I just asked I remain on the list should for any reason a vehicle become available, or for the facelift model in due course.

I never thought I'd get one, but if you don't ask and and that .....

[Tony 1234]

n17ves said:

The issue is when a northern OPC take 70+ speculative £10k deposits......

Care to PM me the city of the "northern OPC" please?

[T25UFO]

It's not just a GT3 thing. I placed a letter of intent 6 months before the official announcement of the GT4. The OPC told me they wouldn't take actual money (deposits) until the car was announced. At around 9:00am on the day of the announcement I phoned through a debit card deposit - I was asked for £10,000 and paid up.

A month went by - no news of whether I would get a car so I spoke with the dealer principal. He said I should never have been charged £10,000 as the GT4 deposit was £5,000. He arranged for an immediate refund of half my deposit. Another month goes by and after many phone calls I was told no car that year and virtually no chance of a car the following year, so I asked for the balance of £5,000 to be refunded.

Was I happy? No. Is there any point in complaining? No. That's just the way it is. Just for giggles I submitted a letter of intent for the 911R. No prizes for guessing the outcome. Won't stop me buying a Porsche because it's a great car - I'll just stick with the next best available model (GTS) which anyone can get . . . eventually.