Would you buy a Porsche ex track day demonstrator?
Discussion
Hi,
I'm looking to buy my first Porsche. I've pined for a Porsche for as long as I can remember and I'm finally in a position to be able to get something I'd be happy with - well almost
my max budget is £60k which leaves me with fairly limited options.
Showroom Demo (£67k)
Theres a 'new' showroom demo 718 in my local dealership which pretty much has the spec I'd go for - however, it's priced as a new car at £67k (even though its been sat there 3 months - and will potentially sit there another 3 too?). Budget aside, I'd be reluctant to pay new price for something I've not spec'd myself and people have been in/out of it for months (it negates the buying new experience for me) if paying full retail I may as well go new and wait until September.
Track-day Demonstrator (£59k)
An almost identically spec'd car has just came on the market at another dealer. This one is also a 2017, HOWEVER it's done 5k miles as a Silverstone Track Demonstrator car. This one is in budget, and I'd not have to wait. It seems a good price for the spec, but I'm not sure whether I'd be best hanging back for another one with maybe a more careful owner?
Has anyone any experience / advice on buying a demonstrator, especially one that's been a track day car.
Thoughts welcome.
I'm looking to buy my first Porsche. I've pined for a Porsche for as long as I can remember and I'm finally in a position to be able to get something I'd be happy with - well almost
my max budget is £60k which leaves me with fairly limited options.Showroom Demo (£67k)
Theres a 'new' showroom demo 718 in my local dealership which pretty much has the spec I'd go for - however, it's priced as a new car at £67k (even though its been sat there 3 months - and will potentially sit there another 3 too?). Budget aside, I'd be reluctant to pay new price for something I've not spec'd myself and people have been in/out of it for months (it negates the buying new experience for me) if paying full retail I may as well go new and wait until September.
Track-day Demonstrator (£59k)
An almost identically spec'd car has just came on the market at another dealer. This one is also a 2017, HOWEVER it's done 5k miles as a Silverstone Track Demonstrator car. This one is in budget, and I'd not have to wait. It seems a good price for the spec, but I'm not sure whether I'd be best hanging back for another one with maybe a more careful owner?
Has anyone any experience / advice on buying a demonstrator, especially one that's been a track day car.
Thoughts welcome.
Personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Apart from the extra wear on tyres/brakes/suspension, are you confident that the engine has been properly run in for the designated 1700miles before being ragged? I'd be wary of a OPC demonstrator too because of concerns over run-in, but not to anything like the same degree.
Si-3PO said:
You say if you go new you may as well wait until September, are you saying you've been offered a build slot for then because if so take it! Most people ordering now are being told Jan/Feb.
Yeah was offered a build slot (they did say very limited) of Sep/Oct today. Once we hit winter, I potentially would wait until next year anyway - as chances are it'll spend a lot of time in the garage over winter.I was forunate to get an allocation on the last Spyder.
This was my first ever new car purchase and the most money I'd ever spent bar my house.
Since then I've had the pleasure of visiting the PEC several times. Super fun but.....
To say I wouldn't buy a SH car that's been constantly tanked around there would be an understatement.
As advised above, If I was you I would wait for a new build slot. A big part of the pleasure / pain ... of buying new is spending hours working out exactly how you want this car optioned.
The colour alone nearly sent me over the edge... but when your personally spec'ed car is revealed to you at the OPC you will feel extra specially pleased with yourself.
60k is a lot of money for most, I would definitely wait and get exactly what you want.
Just my 2 pence worth... feel free to ignore :-)
This was my first ever new car purchase and the most money I'd ever spent bar my house.
Since then I've had the pleasure of visiting the PEC several times. Super fun but.....
To say I wouldn't buy a SH car that's been constantly tanked around there would be an understatement.
As advised above, If I was you I would wait for a new build slot. A big part of the pleasure / pain ... of buying new is spending hours working out exactly how you want this car optioned.
The colour alone nearly sent me over the edge... but when your personally spec'ed car is revealed to you at the OPC you will feel extra specially pleased with yourself.
60k is a lot of money for most, I would definitely wait and get exactly what you want.
Just my 2 pence worth... feel free to ignore :-)
Boxster7 said:
I was forunate to get an allocation on the last Spyder.
As advised above, If I was you I would wait for a new build slot. A big part of the pleasure / pain ... of buying new is spending hours working out exactly how you want this car optioned.
The colour alone nearly sent me over the edge... but when your personally spec'ed car is revealed to you at the OPC you will feel extra specially pleased with yourself.
:-)
Agree with your conclusions - but have you thought about a yoga course? I'm sure you'd feel the benefit.As advised above, If I was you I would wait for a new build slot. A big part of the pleasure / pain ... of buying new is spending hours working out exactly how you want this car optioned.
The colour alone nearly sent me over the edge... but when your personally spec'ed car is revealed to you at the OPC you will feel extra specially pleased with yourself.
:-)
Yes I too have driven Porsche cars around the Porsche Experience Centre in Silverstone, I did ask what happened to the cars after their time at PEC and was told they were thoroughly refurbished and sold.
Personally I would not want one neither would I buy a demonstrator from an OPC. I was offered a test drive in a 718 when it first became available. The salesman drove it initially and was keen to demonstrate the performance despite the engine being cold, driving a cold engine like that would do it no good in the long term and this demonstration was being repeated daily for 3 months.
I'd far sooner buy a carefully used 981..........and mine is not for sale.
Personally I would not want one neither would I buy a demonstrator from an OPC. I was offered a test drive in a 718 when it first became available. The salesman drove it initially and was keen to demonstrate the performance despite the engine being cold, driving a cold engine like that would do it no good in the long term and this demonstration was being repeated daily for 3 months.
I'd far sooner buy a carefully used 981..........and mine is not for sale.
Tim718 said:
Forgot to mention the Showroom Demo car isn't one that they take out of the showroom. It's the on permanently inside - so it won't have miles / test drives, just people getting in/out of it.
That's okay then, tell them you need a grand off it for the two stage polish and Gtechniq it's going to need by a Detailer to bring it back to life 
Just reading another thread on here about discounts, and people using a company called coast2coast to get 3% off. I might be better off doing that and getting more spec for the same money. Means I'll have to wait a couple of months, but I'm not in a massive rush as I'm away half of august anyway.
Personally I wouldn't get a demonstrator, especially a PEC one. I very much doubt that vehicle would have been driven with one ounce of mechanical sympathy from the day it arrived. On the occasions I've driven demonstrators I certainly haven't. A showroom car for me would be a better option, assuming it's at least close enough to your desired spec to consider any omissions. That said you'd doubtless pay at least the cost of speccing it new.
I had a look at coast
I had a look at coast
Don't buy a demo car, full stop.
I drove one out of an OPC, stone cold and the salesman said to do what you want with it.
They are salesman not mechanics.
My car takes a good five minutes to reach 90 deg, on the slow country lane up to the main road and obviously the oil takes longer to get to a reasonable temperature where you can start to push on.
Can't believe someone would even consider an ex track car, whatever was done to it before resale. Madness.
Gadgit
I drove one out of an OPC, stone cold and the salesman said to do what you want with it.
They are salesman not mechanics.
My car takes a good five minutes to reach 90 deg, on the slow country lane up to the main road and obviously the oil takes longer to get to a reasonable temperature where you can start to push on.
Can't believe someone would even consider an ex track car, whatever was done to it before resale. Madness.
Gadgit
I've driven my own car twice at the PEC with an instructor and also done a couple of demo half days there. Apart from the acceleration and braking straights I don't think it's particularly taxing on the cars...most of it is driven in 2nd or 3rd gear and you very rarely get a chance to max out the revs. It's designed as a handling rather than a performance circuit I.e. It tests the driver much more than the cars. That said I don't know if the cars gets used elsewhere or on the main circuit. PDK cars obviously have electronics to protect the engine too.
And obviously the more capable the car the less taxing it is. I wouldn't want a a Cayenne that had spent its life there but a Turbo S apart from the PCCB's is so over engineered for that circuit it's ridiculous. I understand that PCCB equipped cars always do a cool down lap...
Big issue is running in I suppose...don't know if that can be chaecked in terms of rev range print outs etc.
And obviously the more capable the car the less taxing it is. I wouldn't want a a Cayenne that had spent its life there but a Turbo S apart from the PCCB's is so over engineered for that circuit it's ridiculous. I understand that PCCB equipped cars always do a cool down lap...
Big issue is running in I suppose...don't know if that can be chaecked in terms of rev range print outs etc.
Tim718 said:
Just reading another thread on here about discounts, and people using a company called coast2coast to get 3% off. I might be better off doing that and getting more spec for the same money. Means I'll have to wait a couple of months, but I'm not in a massive rush as I'm away half of august anyway.
You don't need to use Coast2Coast directly to get a discount , just mention them to your dealer. I got £1000 off my 718 order and £7000 off my F80 M3 by bringing them up.bcr5784 said:
Personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Apart from the extra wear on tyres/brakes/suspension, are you confident that the engine has been properly run in for the designated 1700miles before being ragged? I'd be wary of a OPC demonstrator too because of concerns over run-in, but not to anything like the same degree.
I would rather a car with 2k hard miles than a 3 years old PCP hand back thrashed from cold snotter which has been to the ring every summer.Because if you are not buying new or private 1 owner cars, that's what you could end up with !
people are fussy, but as cars are NOT owned these days who looks after a PCP hand back !
every 2nd hand car could be a thrashed from cold s
tter, no one know but people are happy to buy not knowing lol !!!Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th July 20:49
J600 said:
Hi,
I'm looking to buy my first Porsche. I've pined for a Porsche for as long as I can remember and I'm finally in a position to be able to get something I'd be happy with - well almost my max budget is £60k which leaves me with fairly limited options.
Showroom Demo (£67k)
Theres a 'new' showroom demo 718 in my local dealership which pretty much has the spec I'd go for - however, it's priced as a new car at £67k (even though its been sat there 3 months - and will potentially sit there another 3 too?). Budget aside, I'd be reluctant to pay new price for something I've not spec'd myself and people have been in/out of it for months (it negates the buying new experience for me) if paying full retail I may as well go new and wait until September.
Track-day Demonstrator (£59k)
An almost identically spec'd car has just came on the market at another dealer. This one is also a 2017, HOWEVER it's done 5k miles as a Silverstone Track Demonstrator car. This one is in budget, and I'd not have to wait. It seems a good price for the spec, but I'm not sure whether I'd be best hanging back for another one with maybe a more careful owner?
Has anyone any experience / advice on buying a demonstrator, especially one that's been a track day car.
Thoughts welcome.
Nice dilemma congratulations on your impending arrival.
What's your ideal spec?
How close is the dealer demonstrator spec?
I'm looking to buy my first Porsche. I've pined for a Porsche for as long as I can remember and I'm finally in a position to be able to get something I'd be happy with - well almost
my max budget is £60k which leaves me with fairly limited options.Showroom Demo (£67k)
Theres a 'new' showroom demo 718 in my local dealership which pretty much has the spec I'd go for - however, it's priced as a new car at £67k (even though its been sat there 3 months - and will potentially sit there another 3 too?). Budget aside, I'd be reluctant to pay new price for something I've not spec'd myself and people have been in/out of it for months (it negates the buying new experience for me) if paying full retail I may as well go new and wait until September.
Track-day Demonstrator (£59k)
An almost identically spec'd car has just came on the market at another dealer. This one is also a 2017, HOWEVER it's done 5k miles as a Silverstone Track Demonstrator car. This one is in budget, and I'd not have to wait. It seems a good price for the spec, but I'm not sure whether I'd be best hanging back for another one with maybe a more careful owner?
Has anyone any experience / advice on buying a demonstrator, especially one that's been a track day car.
Thoughts welcome.
Nice dilemma congratulations on your impending arrival.
What's your ideal spec?
How close is the dealer demonstrator spec?
The one in the dealership is pretty close to my ideal spec tbh - here's what it's got...
Paint - Metallic - Graphite Blue : Graphite Blue - GBP 581.00
Upholstery - Leather - Black : Black - GBP 0.00
Heated Multifunction Steering Wheel - GBP 329.00
Porsche Crest Embossed on Head Restraints - GBP 161.00
Seat Heating - GBP 294.00
Sport Chrono Package including Mode Switch - GBP 1574.00
Sports Seats Plus - Electrical 2 Way - GBP 569.00
Sports Tailpipes - Black - GBP 168.00
GT Sport Steering Wheel - GBP 194.00
718 Logo Painted - GBP 101.00
Exterior Package Painted - GBP 882.00
Headlight Cleaning System Covers Painted in Contrasting Colour - Jet Black Metallic - GBP 138.00
Model Designation Painted - GBP 101.00
Sports Exhaust System in Black - GBP 1380.00
BOSE Surround Sound System - GBP 834.00
LED Headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus - PDLS Plus - GBP 1397.00
Roll-over Bars Painted in Exterior Colour - GBP 357.00
20in Alloy Wheels - Carrera Classic - GBP 1515.00
Wheels Painted in High Gloss Black - GBP 834.00
Price: £67,755
The only bits it doesn't have that my ideal spec would probably add would be:
Park Assist - Front and Rear with Reversing Camera - GBP 1086.00
Sports Seats Plus - Electrical 14 Way - GBP ?
Light Design Package - GBP 210.00
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management - GBP 1010.00
Lane Change Assist - GBP 413.00
Don't really think any of the above would be a showstopper though - but if I was getting new I'd consider adding them. Spec'ing that new with those extras comes out just under £70k - so potentially through Coast2Coast (if they did give any discount) means I could get a new car with those extras for pretty much the same money.
Paint - Metallic - Graphite Blue : Graphite Blue - GBP 581.00
Upholstery - Leather - Black : Black - GBP 0.00
Heated Multifunction Steering Wheel - GBP 329.00
Porsche Crest Embossed on Head Restraints - GBP 161.00
Seat Heating - GBP 294.00
Sport Chrono Package including Mode Switch - GBP 1574.00
Sports Seats Plus - Electrical 2 Way - GBP 569.00
Sports Tailpipes - Black - GBP 168.00
GT Sport Steering Wheel - GBP 194.00
718 Logo Painted - GBP 101.00
Exterior Package Painted - GBP 882.00
Headlight Cleaning System Covers Painted in Contrasting Colour - Jet Black Metallic - GBP 138.00
Model Designation Painted - GBP 101.00
Sports Exhaust System in Black - GBP 1380.00
BOSE Surround Sound System - GBP 834.00
LED Headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus - PDLS Plus - GBP 1397.00
Roll-over Bars Painted in Exterior Colour - GBP 357.00
20in Alloy Wheels - Carrera Classic - GBP 1515.00
Wheels Painted in High Gloss Black - GBP 834.00
Price: £67,755
The only bits it doesn't have that my ideal spec would probably add would be:
Park Assist - Front and Rear with Reversing Camera - GBP 1086.00
Sports Seats Plus - Electrical 14 Way - GBP ?
Light Design Package - GBP 210.00
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management - GBP 1010.00
Lane Change Assist - GBP 413.00
Don't really think any of the above would be a showstopper though - but if I was getting new I'd consider adding them. Spec'ing that new with those extras comes out just under £70k - so potentially through Coast2Coast (if they did give any discount) means I could get a new car with those extras for pretty much the same money.
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