The 997 Appreciation Thread

[Filibuster]

Heathrow said:

RPM do an aftermarket axle lift conversion with a discreet install - it's pricey but works well. Otherwise ask them to raise the ride height slightly.

They use the KW Hydraulic Lift System.



A true work of art! But quite complex to instal I imagine.

[g7jhp]

Slippydiff said:

Could be, but there's a cheaper 997 CSR for sale at £58K on PH too.

Try this link

"Talking CSR with the owner of Snakebite - Technik Torque
Following on from Henry Catchpole's fantastic Carfection video on CSR028 ‘Snakebite’ Greig discusses what motivated the owner Chris Wildsmith to build it and how he got his man maths to work!"

Also 911&PorscheWorld article here

Plus Catchpole YouTube vid

Edited by g7jhp on Wednesday 18th November 17:56

[Mutton]

Use of my 997.2 S has been somewhat soradic this year unsurprisingly, and have ended up mostly using it on track. The car has a few changes from standard at present:

- PASM DSC controller with custom settings for normal (road) and sport (track) modes
- GT3 gear shifter
- GT3 brake ducts
- PS4S tyres on the standard wheels for winter / wet track days
- Second set of wheels for summer / dry track days, OZ Ultraleggera HLT 8.5" front / 12" rear fitted with Cup 2 tyres in 245/305 widths
- Pagid RSL 29 pads for track days with Titanium heatshields and Castrol SRF fluid
- Zunsport grills

A few pics from this year:



Snetterton:



Bedford using PS4S - ultimate grip is lower but they transition from grip to slip very progressively:



After an aborted attempt at creating a Megane RS250 track car, I'm now planning the winter upgrades to make the 911 more focussed for track work:

- GT3 master brake cylinder (already purchased)
- HEL brake lines (already purchased)
- Top Gear cat back switchable exhaust to replace the PSE (already purchased)
- Uprated coilovers, probably Bilstein B16 Damptronic so I can still use the DSC box
- Girodisc brake discs front and rear
- Centre radiator
- RSS engine mounts
- RSS control arms front and rear
- RSS stage 1 suspension package
- Centre gravity install / set-up
- Decent bucket seats - would love genuine Porsche carbon folding buckets but will probably go for something cheaper

An ambitious list so will probably be spread over the course of next year but looking forward to making a bit of a project out of the car. Any other suggestions would be most welcome!

[Slippydiff]

g7jhp said:

Try this link

"Talking CSR with the owner of Snakebite - Technik Torque
Following on from Henry Catchpole's fantastic Carfection video on CSR028 ‘Snakebite’ Greig discusses what motivated the owner Chris Wildsmith to build it and how he got his man maths to work!"

Also 911&PorscheWorld article here

Many thanks for that. Will enjoy reading it later

[ATM]

Bilstein B16 Damptronic

Are these any good?

[Mutton]

ATM said:

Bilstein B16 Damptronic

Are these any good?

The 997 versions seem to get good reviews (mainly in the US). A bit on the firm side for road use but hopefully better for track work. There aren't many optons is you want to keep PASM. The KW option (which I believe RPM use on their CSR) appear to be more road biased and not very robust for track work looking at the reviews I've seen (in the US again).

I've been down the KW V3 route before but just want a simple button press for this car rather than laying on the floor trying to adjust. I can take a laptop and tweak the DSC box at the track day if required as well.

[tonyg58]

g7jhp said:

Why not 997 replies?....oh this is 998!

Spoilsport

[IMI A]

Gen 1 997 seem to be appreciating nice to see they are now being appreciated. I was blown away by the C2S back in 2005 was so close to having one. Trying not to look at the black one at 911v.

[Mariosbt]

Slippydiff said:

So, further to my original post, I found this on YT last night :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xc9JwvSf-lc

Clearly there’s resprays and there’s resprays.
A complete panel off, glass out, change of colour respray job, done properly, won’t have been cheap. But the project looks to have been more of a complete restoration AND a CSR upgrade, rather than just a CSR upgrade, so some of the additional expense is justified.

Chucking £130K at a 100+K mile Gen 1 997 S that’s worth what ? £15-20K max, still seems a somewhat questionable choice if you don’t keep it for 5-10 years to get some enjoyment from driving it.

Having seen the vid. There’s an unbelievable amount of work gone into the car!... it’s like a new car. Fantastic but maybe worth £80K I would imagine. But absolutely stunning.

[PGNSagaris]

Mutton said:

Use of my 997.2 S has been somewhat soradic this year unsurprisingly, and have ended up mostly using it on track. The car has a few changes from standard at present:

- PASM DSC controller with custom settings for normal (road) and sport (track) modes
- GT3 gear shifter
- GT3 brake ducts
- PS4S tyres on the standard wheels for winter / wet track days
- Second set of wheels for summer / dry track days, OZ Ultraleggera HLT 8.5" front / 12" rear fitted with Cup 2 tyres in 245/305 widths
- Pagid RSL 29 pads for track days with Titanium heatshields and Castrol SRF fluid
- Zunsport grills

A few pics from this year:



Snetterton:



Bedford using PS4S - ultimate grip is lower but they transition from grip to slip very progressively:



After an aborted attempt at creating a Megane RS250 track car, I'm now planning the winter upgrades to make the 911 more focussed for track work:

- GT3 master brake cylinder (already purchased)
- HEL brake lines (already purchased)
- Top Gear cat back switchable exhaust to replace the PSE (already purchased)
- Uprated coilovers, probably Bilstein B16 Damptronic so I can still use the DSC box
- Girodisc brake discs front and rear
- Centre radiator
- RSS engine mounts
- RSS control arms front and rear
- RSS stage 1 suspension package
- Centre gravity install / set-up
- Decent bucket seats - would love genuine Porsche carbon folding buckets but will probably go for something cheaper

An ambitious list so will probably be spread over the course of next year but looking forward to making a bit of a project out of the car. Any other suggestions would be most welcome!

Your car looks great and the upgrades will make it a lot of fun and properly focused for trackwork.

I would investigate a low temp thermostat and oil cooler. With your better brakes, tyres and driver improvement you'll be doing longer, harder stints and the oil temps will be high and sustained.

[Mutton]

PGNSagaris said:

Your car looks great and the upgrades will make it a lot of fun and properly focused for trackwork.

I would investigate a low temp thermostat and oil cooler. With your better brakes, tyres and driver improvement you'll be doing longer, harder stints and the oil temps will be high and sustained.

Thanks. I believe the Gen 2 already has an improved thermostat compared to the Gen 1 and is controlled better as well, so hopefully the addition of the third radiator will suffice. Will look into oil coolers though as that could be a worthwhile addition.

[Slippydiff]

g7jhp said:

Try this link

"Talking CSR with the owner of Snakebite - Technik Torque
Following on from Henry Catchpole's fantastic Carfection video on CSR028 ‘Snakebite’ Greig discusses what motivated the owner Chris Wildsmith to build it and how he got his man maths to work!"

Also 911&PorscheWorld article here

Thankyou for the link to the podcast, it was most enlightening, added to which there's an interesting, additional twist for me, as I've also driven the owner’s 981 Cayman CSR (I wasn’t aware both cars belonged to him)
The Cayman is clearly a far more track focused spec than when I drove it some 3 years ago (it was the same spec as when Evo tested it).

If the Snakebite is as half as good as the 981 was, it must be cracking thing to own/drive
No doubt it was a tough decision to have to sell the 997

[RiccardoG]

Mutton said:

Thanks. I believe the Gen 2 already has an improved thermostat compared to the Gen 1 and is controlled better as well, so hopefully the addition of the third radiator will suffice. Will look into oil coolers though as that could be a worthwhile addition.

Looks great, well done!

How about the oil / pump setup, is Gen 2 = Gen 1? If so you should also consider the issue of potential oil starvation while on track. Something like this could be useful:

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod127610/Deep-Sum...

[CallThatMusic]

Resting.

[Mariosbt]

CallThatMusic said:

Resting.

Definite NO NO going it in that

[IMI A]

[lingus75]

A couple of my 997.1 manual turbo. Had it for almost 8 years now and I still love it!

[IMI A]

14 years and still love

[IMI A]

[Mariosbt]

Just watched a video on YouTube where the centre Rev counter dial/decals was changed from the standard black (Carrera) to red. The guy doing it looked to struggle. However, I wouldn’t mind having that option if it was available but have never seen them advertised anywhere. Thoughts please. PS. I watched the same guy telling you how to change the side repeaters but it was not the correct way !