997 gen 2 turbo V 991 turbo - owners views
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I found the 997.2 turbo a lot more exiting to drive than the 991 as feels a lot smaller and more engaging.
991 just feels like a big very fast car.
Both have their pros and cons and 997.2 Turbo S price are not far off 991 turbo money as they are very rare however they they will be mileage sensitive at that value so a low mileage 991 may keep its money more in the long run if running it as a daily.
991 just feels like a big very fast car.
Both have their pros and cons and 997.2 Turbo S price are not far off 991 turbo money as they are very rare however they they will be mileage sensitive at that value so a low mileage 991 may keep its money more in the long run if running it as a daily.
Can't comment on the 991 Turbos, but I had a 997 Turbo S for 3 years.
Now I've had a new 911 every 2-3 years since the '80s, but never gelled with the Turbos. However, when the Turbo S was announced in 2010, I convinced myself this was the one that would change my opinion and I tried to love it, but never did.
I know that the 'Turbos' may appeal to some people, but for me it was fairly disappointing. Formidably 'fast' and capable, but somehow a bit soulless. Lacked the character and engagement of the nicest NA 911s. Dull engine note and too much road noise. Turbo power delivery nowhere near as 'elastic' as the lovely NA engines. PDK didn't help - a 6-spd manual may have been better.
IMO a 991 NA is a more enjoyable and relevant '911', C2 or C4 and perhaps a GTS.
Now I've had a new 911 every 2-3 years since the '80s, but never gelled with the Turbos. However, when the Turbo S was announced in 2010, I convinced myself this was the one that would change my opinion and I tried to love it, but never did.
I know that the 'Turbos' may appeal to some people, but for me it was fairly disappointing. Formidably 'fast' and capable, but somehow a bit soulless. Lacked the character and engagement of the nicest NA 911s. Dull engine note and too much road noise. Turbo power delivery nowhere near as 'elastic' as the lovely NA engines. PDK didn't help - a 6-spd manual may have been better.
IMO a 991 NA is a more enjoyable and relevant '911', C2 or C4 and perhaps a GTS.
I've also had a GT4 for a year, although being replaced by a GT3 Touring.
The GT4 is a real gem at the price - looks great, feels special, nicely packaged, sublime chassis, and virtually everyday usable - but obviously not as usable as a 991. The GT4 is a lovely 'toy', but probably wasted if not enjoyed, from time to time, on track.
The GT4 is a real gem at the price - looks great, feels special, nicely packaged, sublime chassis, and virtually everyday usable - but obviously not as usable as a 991. The GT4 is a lovely 'toy', but probably wasted if not enjoyed, from time to time, on track.
I've run an Exige S 260 as my daily for the past 18 months so a GT4 would be like a 7series in comparison!
Great choice re the GT3 touring, out of interest are you going to trade in your GT4, I do wonder if GT4 prices will slip a bit more once the GT3s and indeed the GT4 are released!
I put my name down ages ago for a 718 GT4 but hold little hope of getting one.....
Great choice re the GT3 touring, out of interest are you going to trade in your GT4, I do wonder if GT4 prices will slip a bit more once the GT3s and indeed the GT4 are released!
I put my name down ages ago for a 718 GT4 but hold little hope of getting one.....
GT4 has recently gone to a new home, and will be remembered fondly. I was given the nod about the Touring almost 18 months ago, so very pleased it has materialised, and it is intended as the ultimate 'keeper'. It directly replaces a very special 911 I owned for nearly 20 years.
However, these days, I'm not convinced it's necessary to have the latest, fastest, 'must have', top of the range, models to really enjoy the Porsche experience. Yesterday I drove an '89 3.2 911 and then a 981 Cayman S, on a mix of x-country roads, inc M-ways, and thoroughly enjoyed every minute in both.
Going back to your original post, I can't recall the Turbo ever delivering that same satisfaction. Yes, it covered distances, in all weathers, and could be very fast, but with a clinical efficiency that always left me a bit disappointed. A really good Porsche should ooze charisma.
However, these days, I'm not convinced it's necessary to have the latest, fastest, 'must have', top of the range, models to really enjoy the Porsche experience. Yesterday I drove an '89 3.2 911 and then a 981 Cayman S, on a mix of x-country roads, inc M-ways, and thoroughly enjoyed every minute in both.
Going back to your original post, I can't recall the Turbo ever delivering that same satisfaction. Yes, it covered distances, in all weathers, and could be very fast, but with a clinical efficiency that always left me a bit disappointed. A really good Porsche should ooze charisma.
Horses for courses....
I test drove the 996 tt many years ago and it felt heavy, had laggy power and the tip box was a dog and it sounded like a hairdryer.
Every vanilla NA 911 I've driven inc the GTS has felt really underpowered. Even in full attack mode on the sports chrono the low down pull of these cars is pretty poor.
I don't think its much fun 99% of the time on public roads to be revving the nuts off a car.
So to me the 991 Turbo S is a fantastic car and it is fun to drive. Yes it sacrifices a bit of the turn in delicacy of the vanillas but the phenomenal power and grip more than make up for that.
And it sounds pretty good too.
Shame my TTS was stolen, I really miss it!
I test drove the 996 tt many years ago and it felt heavy, had laggy power and the tip box was a dog and it sounded like a hairdryer.
Every vanilla NA 911 I've driven inc the GTS has felt really underpowered. Even in full attack mode on the sports chrono the low down pull of these cars is pretty poor.
I don't think its much fun 99% of the time on public roads to be revving the nuts off a car.
So to me the 991 Turbo S is a fantastic car and it is fun to drive. Yes it sacrifices a bit of the turn in delicacy of the vanillas but the phenomenal power and grip more than make up for that.
And it sounds pretty good too.
Shame my TTS was stolen, I really miss it!
Go and test drive a 997.2 Turbo or Turbo S...the drive will answer all your questions
Stunning to look at with a much nicer shape, smaller, lighter, rawer and IMO better drive than the 991 Turbo.
Prices of the 997.2 Turbo/S have held firm and risen for a reason. It's much more enjoyable than the 991. I can't comment on the 991.2 Turbo/S as have not driven one, but that is a big, big step up in price anyway so probably not so relevant.
Stunning to look at with a much nicer shape, smaller, lighter, rawer and IMO better drive than the 991 Turbo.
Prices of the 997.2 Turbo/S have held firm and risen for a reason. It's much more enjoyable than the 991. I can't comment on the 991.2 Turbo/S as have not driven one, but that is a big, big step up in price anyway so probably not so relevant.
I had a 997.2 turbo S for almost four years and recently sold it. They are far better looking (some pics on the 997 thread) than the 991 in my personal opinion and performance wise I don't think there is that much difference (having drive a 991.1 TTS for a couple of hours on the Porsche track at Silverstone). However I never felt entirely comfortable with the handling characteristics of the four wheel drive system which seemed to require frequent inputs to the steering to counteract the tendency to understeer when accelerating and the need to centre the steering on lifting off. And this was just in general driving, on the track it was more pronounced but the understeer would only be initially and then turn to oversteer which again I found made it harder to balance the car.
The other issue I had was with the noise levels at speed on motorway journeys, anything over 80 odd mph led to prolonged silences on long journeys, or difficulty listening to the radio, I suspect the 991 is better in this respect.
Overall though the 997.2 TTS is a brilliant car and so good looking, and I would have one over the 991 without a doubt. However prices have really rocketed over the last couple of years and in some cases are quite silly. I bought retail and sold trade and lost only around ten per cent in almost four years of ownership
The other issue I had was with the noise levels at speed on motorway journeys, anything over 80 odd mph led to prolonged silences on long journeys, or difficulty listening to the radio, I suspect the 991 is better in this respect.
Overall though the 997.2 TTS is a brilliant car and so good looking, and I would have one over the 991 without a doubt. However prices have really rocketed over the last couple of years and in some cases are quite silly. I bought retail and sold trade and lost only around ten per cent in almost four years of ownership
Hi, have never driven a 991 turbo but have owned a 997 turbo cabrio, manual the last 5 years.
Its been a great car, very fast and fulfilling. I had a 996 C4 before the 997 and there is no comparison with regards performance.
The 997 turbo sounds great under full throttle and smashes most other sports cars. With 20k servicing its a no brainer.
At lower speeds the acceleration is outstanding you almost need a neck brace!
I should think the 991 turbo s pdk would fly but you probably would get board half way to Monaco! LOL
Its been a great car, very fast and fulfilling. I had a 996 C4 before the 997 and there is no comparison with regards performance.
The 997 turbo sounds great under full throttle and smashes most other sports cars. With 20k servicing its a no brainer.
At lower speeds the acceleration is outstanding you almost need a neck brace!
I should think the 991 turbo s pdk would fly but you probably would get board half way to Monaco! LOL
Geneve said:
Can't comment on the 991 Turbos, but I had a 997 Turbo S for 3 years.
Now I've had a new 911 every 2-3 years since the '80s, but never gelled with the Turbos. However, when the Turbo S was announced in 2010, I convinced myself this was the one that would change my opinion and I tried to love it, but never did.
I know that the 'Turbos' may appeal to some people, but for me it was fairly disappointing. Formidably 'fast' and capable, but somehow a bit soulless. Lacked the character and engagement of the nicest NA 911s. Dull engine note and too much road noise. Turbo power delivery nowhere near as 'elastic' as the lovely NA engines. PDK didn't help - a 6-spd manual may have been better.
IMO a 991 NA is a more enjoyable and relevant '911', C2 or C4 and perhaps a GTS.
I recall test driving the 997.1 TT and was in line for the second car at the OPC. I was so disappointed at the time that I passed on the car despite it commanding a 10k premium at the time. After years of believing the Turbo was the car of my dreams, I was depressed for days. However, the very well seasoned salesman suggested that what I really wanted was a GT3, a car which he had previously told me was unpopular with many customers as it was too hard core for them. I trusted his judgement and ordered a 997.2 GT3. He was so right!Now I've had a new 911 every 2-3 years since the '80s, but never gelled with the Turbos. However, when the Turbo S was announced in 2010, I convinced myself this was the one that would change my opinion and I tried to love it, but never did.
I know that the 'Turbos' may appeal to some people, but for me it was fairly disappointing. Formidably 'fast' and capable, but somehow a bit soulless. Lacked the character and engagement of the nicest NA 911s. Dull engine note and too much road noise. Turbo power delivery nowhere near as 'elastic' as the lovely NA engines. PDK didn't help - a 6-spd manual may have been better.
IMO a 991 NA is a more enjoyable and relevant '911', C2 or C4 and perhaps a GTS.
If I was you OP I'd be looking at a 991.1 GTS as well at this kind of money....certainly worth throwing into the mix unless you're wedded to a Turbo ? Also available with a manual 'box if that's something you want to go back to. Or even if you want a Turbo engine there's a 991.2 Carrera S or GTS to look at! 991.2 GTS are on AUC site for just over £100k now and there are an unusually high number for sale so might be some good cars around.
finmac said:
Thread resurrection!
Drove a 997 Gen 2 Turbo S today. Very fast, liked it. What’s the consensus on values now and future?
Cars late 2011, 34K, white, OPC - so 2 year warranty etc £74K sticker price
We run both. Go for a low miles gen 1 991 turbo s for the same money. Night and day difference if you judge on any other metric than pure speed. I’ve seen a few for sale at sort of £5k more than yours with 10-20k miles. Values wise I think both will be very strong going forward. 992 quite a change and even relatively new 911 drivers I know who have only owned water cooled tell me they won’t upgrade to a 992. Strange but true. At similar money there is no comparison between 997 and 991 turbo or turbo s imo.Drove a 997 Gen 2 Turbo S today. Very fast, liked it. What’s the consensus on values now and future?
Cars late 2011, 34K, white, OPC - so 2 year warranty etc £74K sticker price
991 Turbo is just better in every way compared to 997.2 Turbo. Looks depend on your pov.
Handling on 991 Turbo - they are very sensitive to set up - any small out of balance deviation regardless of settings has an impact on the handling, certainly a lot more than on the 997.2 Turbo.
The 997.2 Turbo (s) is a great car make no mistake but the prices are imo crazy - this was not a limited run car in any way other than due to the financial crises when they came out that not many were ordered compared to the 997.1 Turbo. That should not make them significantly higher price - there are still thousands worldwide. There are only 3 manuals in the UK iirc. No one wanted manuals.
PDK in the 991 Turbo is also a significant step up as well.
Try both but if you can get a 991 Turbo for not much more than 997.2 Turbo then that is the car I would recommend.
Handling on 991 Turbo - they are very sensitive to set up - any small out of balance deviation regardless of settings has an impact on the handling, certainly a lot more than on the 997.2 Turbo.
The 997.2 Turbo (s) is a great car make no mistake but the prices are imo crazy - this was not a limited run car in any way other than due to the financial crises when they came out that not many were ordered compared to the 997.1 Turbo. That should not make them significantly higher price - there are still thousands worldwide. There are only 3 manuals in the UK iirc. No one wanted manuals.
PDK in the 991 Turbo is also a significant step up as well.
Try both but if you can get a 991 Turbo for not much more than 997.2 Turbo then that is the car I would recommend.
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