Manual 991.2 GT3's - owners views

[Digga]

evodarren said:

i love my manual 997.1 GT3 . It is nice to stir the cogs.

I love the slightly obstructive notchiness of shift when it's cold and the way that transforms as the car warms up, into an absolutely rifle-bolt precise action. Always a joy, never a chore.

[hunter 66]

Love the bolt action bolt feel of the Porsche box ........... although did get 4 th instead of 6 th at high speed of the Daytona banking so valve into piston .... ohh well

[Cheib]

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

[Yellow491]

hunter 66 said:

Love the bolt action bolt feel of the Porsche box ........... although did get 4 th instead of 6 th at high speed of the Daytona banking so valve into piston .... ohh well

Have you had a look yet then mate,that is my gut feel when i listened to it.

Re the gt3,if using the clutch and accelerator thats not flat shifting,can you shift with out the clutch in the man gt3,if so great,not sure how they have done that,apparently new rs will be available in the non automatic version also oh did i say automatic!

[hunter 66]

Yes sadly .... number 3 ........ plug smashed by an exhaust valve ............... so another rebuild ..... Yellow need to maybe look at those GT3 heads you were talking about...

[Yellow491]

hunter 66 said:

Yes sadly .... number 3 ........ plug smashed by an exhaust valve ............... so another rebuild ..... Yellow need to maybe look at those GT3 heads you were talking about...

I will give maca a call,the head can be salvaged,if ti valves its expensive from pms nearly 300 per valve,steel valves not so bad.Sorry to hear that,good shout by the team manager/engineer!😉 Kill the engine!,and good driver listening,could easily wreck whole engine at those speeds and revs😢

[hunter 66]

Yes lucky I had the best possible Crew Chief on the Wall .... with authority on the radio .......spoke Rob Wilson .... who laughed and said yes not the first time he heard of that ... 5 th to 4 th instead of 6 th when on the banking as the angle and the forces come into play .........yes great it was turned off .......

[Yellow491]

hunter 66 said:

Yes lucky I had the best possible Crew Chief on the Wall .... with authority on the radio .......spoke Rob Wilson .... who laughed and said yes not the first time he heard of that ... 5 th to 4 th instead of 6 th when on the banking as the angle and the forces come into play .........yes great it was turned off .......

Yes rob would know,the best of drivers do it,and most importantly you were out there doing it,daytona opportunities are not to be missed by any one.

[browngt3]

Not many manual GT3 videos. Here's one at Laguna Seca. What a track!

https://youtu.be/cvb5egk3xcE

[evodarren]

browngt3 said:

Not many manual GT3 videos. Here's one at Laguna Seca. What a track!

https://youtu.be/cvb5egk3xcE

Looks like he is have fun stirring the cogs.

[Digga]

evodarren said:

browngt3 said:

Not many manual GT3 videos. Here's one at Laguna Seca. What a track!

https://youtu.be/cvb5egk3xcE

Looks like he is have fun stirring the cogs.

He can enjoy it all he likes; he's not picking up the bills. If you read the video description, it's his mate's car!

[lemmingjames]

Cheib said:

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

is it really a manual if electronics are in the background doing the work?

[Digga]

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

is it really a manual if electronics are in the background doing the work?

There's always o....

...hang on, you've sort of got a point there.

[Cheib]

Digga said:

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

is it really a manual if electronics are in the background doing the work?

There's always o....

...hang on, you've sort of got a point there.

Bit of a best of both worlds surely....you don't need to use the electronics if you don't want to.

[Digga]

Cheib said:

Digga said:

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

is it really a manual if electronics are in the background doing the work?

There's always o....

...hang on, you've sort of got a point there.

Bit of a best of both worlds surely....you don't need to use the electronics if you don't want to.

Dunno. I drove a 991.1 GTS with the rev-matching witchcraft a few years back. It's good, very good, to the point that, unless you were an egomaniacal control freak, with a huge opinion of your own driving ability, you'd surely let the electronics do it?

[Porsche911R]

As 99.999% of people in here press the clutch and have never flat shifted a car in their life, yes I think it's still a manual :-)

So it's just another feature which is always nice if you are a noob and a bit slow in the shift area you won't have it bouncing off the limiter.

A fast normal shift is 3/10th down on PDK, not the time it takes, the over all time you loose in performance, a flat shift will be about 2/10ths down.

It's nothing new, goto the POD and every hotted up Golf the 18 year olds are flat shifting the things down the 1/4.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 19th January 10:26

[Cheib]

Digga said:

Cheib said:

Digga said:

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

is it really a manual if electronics are in the background doing the work?

There's always o....

...hang on, you've sort of got a point there.

Bit of a best of both worlds surely....you don't need to use the electronics if you don't want to.

Dunno. I drove a 991.1 GTS with the rev-matching witchcraft a few years back. It's good, very good, to the point that, unless you were an egomaniacal control freak, with a huge opinion of your own driving ability, you'd surely let the electronics do it?

I definitely don't have a huge opinion of my driving ability (it's been politely pointed out to me by the PEC instrcutors how I could improve on more than one occasion!) but I still really enjoy doing it the old school way and when I do get it right get a H&T shift right I get a bigger kick out of it than I should. The thing about having the electronics is it also reminds you of how much better you can be so you have a benchmark to measure yourself against if you want to use the computer to do it for you.

[Digga]

Cheib said:

Digga said:

Cheib said:

Digga said:

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Instagram vid of an owner trying the “Power Shift” function on the manual car. I.e. He keeps the accelerator pressed whilst dropping the clutch/changing gear. The electronics do the Rev matching.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BdiooyInH_d/

is it really a manual if electronics are in the background doing the work?

There's always o....

...hang on, you've sort of got a point there.

Bit of a best of both worlds surely....you don't need to use the electronics if you don't want to.

Dunno. I drove a 991.1 GTS with the rev-matching witchcraft a few years back. It's good, very good, to the point that, unless you were an egomaniacal control freak, with a huge opinion of your own driving ability, you'd surely let the electronics do it?

I definitely don't have a huge opinion of my driving ability (it's been politely pointed out to me by the PEC instrcutors how I could improve on more than one occasion!) but I still really enjoy doing it the old school way and when I do get it right get a H&T shift right I get a bigger kick out of it than I should. The thing about having the electronics is it also reminds you of how much better you can be so you have a benchmark to measure yourself against if you want to use the computer to do it for you.

The electronics being there though, would only ever make a fluffed, manual downshift more annoying.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

A fast normal shift is 3/10th down on PDK, not the time it takes, the over all time you loose in performance, a flat shift will be about 2/10ths down.

You don't lose 0.3s per shift manual to dual clutch. The action of changing gear might take that difference in time but the car doesn't come to a stop while the gears are being switched. The difference between getting back on the throttle 0.3s faster isn't 0.3 seconds.

[lemmingjames]

Porsche911R said:

As 99.999% of people in here press the clutch and have never flat shifted a car in their life, yes I think it's still a manual :-)

So it's just another feature which is always nice if you are a noob and a bit slow in the shift area you won't have it bouncing off the limiter.

A fast normal shift is 3/10th down on PDK, not the time it takes, the over all time you loose in performance, a flat shift will be about 2/10ths down.

It's nothing new, goto the POD and every hotted up Golf the 18 year olds are flat shifting the things down the 1/4.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 19th January 10:26

Have you flat shifted any of your porkers?

For everyone else - genuine question, but if theres electronics working in the background to help the less advance in changing gear, are you able to turn it off completely or will it always be there? So do you infact have a pdk with a manual stick?

Edited by lemmingjames on Friday 19th January 21:01