Flipped GT3.2's
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_Superleggera_ said:
Found out yesterday that one of the flipped cars came from my dealer. To say they were pissed off was an understatement./
Guy had a good buying history too and then just flipped it for an easy 50K.
Only so much an OPC can do....there will always be people that will flip cars. That said I think in general OPC's seems to have done a decent job as not many cars seem to have been flipped...certainly a lot less publicly than before if they have been. I'd guess maybe 200 cars delivered to the UK so far and I'd guess that less than 10% have changed hands. Maybe its even single digits. Guy had a good buying history too and then just flipped it for an easy 50K.
Cheib said:
This is from a thread running on Rennlist where someone has access to the data on all North American cars...massive take up of buckets. And of course you have to have buckets if you have CS (not available in US) which the uptake must be well over 50% I would think.
the most popular colour was chalk - our american cousins are an odd bunchAdam B said:
the most popular colour was chalk - our american cousins are an odd bunch
Chalk was the 'new colour' people got very excited about this year so I think a lot of buyers bought the fashion, I'd bet later orders have a smaller % of Chalk. It's not a bad colour for a winged GT3 but I don't think it looks good on the Touring.mattf93 said:
Only easy if you had a buyer/dealer lined up.
Let's not forget its tax free cash also, let's be honest even if you did get a golden ticket (a gt3 speccable allocation) it's hard to turn down an instant tax free profit as you say of £50k.
How much before tax would you need to earn to get the equivalent?
I appreciate to some its a minor thing and you shouldn't flip a car... but can you all say you wouldn't even consider it?
Still have my gen 1 from new and did have some offers but refused them. Money not everything for sure.Let's not forget its tax free cash also, let's be honest even if you did get a golden ticket (a gt3 speccable allocation) it's hard to turn down an instant tax free profit as you say of £50k.
How much before tax would you need to earn to get the equivalent?
I appreciate to some its a minor thing and you shouldn't flip a car... but can you all say you wouldn't even consider it?
Racer26 said:
I've got folding buckets on mine. The first time I sat in the car I thought "oh a little high - made a cock up here". The truth is that I have since not though of it once, and no doubt the folding seats make the car more easily usable when chucking shopping backs in the back, especially if you have the cage.
Seats are tricky. I'm 5'10" and never felt fully comfortable in the 918s, but the height adjust is useful for shorter or taller drivers. Folding should be fine for those in between (+ the heating and rear access)Cheib said:
Only so much an OPC can do....there will always be people that will flip cars. That said I think in general OPC's seems to have done a decent job as not many cars seem to have been flipped...certainly a lot less publicly than before if they have been. I'd guess maybe 200 cars delivered to the UK so far and I'd guess that less than 10% have changed hands. Maybe its even single digits.
I think you'd be surprised. We've seen about 6 or 7 cars advertised already so you'd have to think that many plus some more have changed hands under the radar. Its just far less in your face than it used to be because people don't want to be found out. Romans, Top555 and the likes will have lists of people waiting.It has just been driven underground for numerous reasons but its now a dirty word and it suits neither the OPC nor the "flippers" interests for it to be done in the open. So it's not.
Put an ear to the ground rather than look on autotrader and its evident. And no, it can't be proven, same as the earlier stage of allocation has very little evidential trace. Doing so would be foolhardy but you choose what you want to believe. I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist earlier in this thread who believed in UFOs so apparently these things I hear from a broad range of intelligent people are to be discarded the same way as a circle in a cornfield.
Put an ear to the ground rather than look on autotrader and its evident. And no, it can't be proven, same as the earlier stage of allocation has very little evidential trace. Doing so would be foolhardy but you choose what you want to believe. I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist earlier in this thread who believed in UFOs so apparently these things I hear from a broad range of intelligent people are to be discarded the same way as a circle in a cornfield.
Fish said:
Maybe I'm old school but I gave my word I wouldn't flip it. Yes £50k is a lot of money and maybe some people don't have morals... but hey.
If you have secured a car it's probably on the basis of having a very good buying history which would indicate that you aren't short of a few quid.That being the case I wouldn't think £50K is enough of an incentive to risk ruining your relationship with the dealer and not being allocated any future cars.
Probably more tempting if you have something like a La Ferrari Aperta which could make you a few million, irrespective of how much cash you had to start with.
Davey S2 said:
Fish said:
Maybe I'm old school but I gave my word I wouldn't flip it. Yes £50k is a lot of money and maybe some people don't have morals... but hey.
If you have secured a car it's probably on the basis of having a very good buying history which would indicate that you aren't short of a few quid.That being the case I wouldn't think £50K is enough of an incentive to risk ruining your relationship with the dealer and not being allocated any future cars.
Probably more tempting if you have something like a La Ferrari Aperta which could make you a few million, irrespective of how much cash you had to start with.
Magic919 said:
WCZ said:
franki68 said:
The us has larger fuel tank option ? I didn’t see it on the uk configurator .
makes sense, massive country
I have no issues with flippers just as long its documented by the dealer so the guilty parties are cast out into the wilderness, and never ever given another chance to re-offend.
I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
Taffy66 said:
I have no issues with flippers just as long its documented by the dealer so the guilty parties are cast out into the wilderness, and never ever given another chance to re-offend.
I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
Are you buying the 918 replacement then Taffy? I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
Taffy66 said:
I have no issues with flippers just as long its documented by the dealer so the guilty parties are cast out into the wilderness, and never ever given another chance to re-offend.
I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
In fact it's so cunning, you could stick a tail on it and call it a fox! I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
Love blackadder!
Taffy66 said:
I have no issues with flippers just as long its documented by the dealer so the guilty parties are cast out into the wilderness, and never ever given another chance to re-offend.
I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
Taffy you talk sense, I’m sure the genuine DP’s in the opc centres try there best to keep track of cars and are probably very disappointed if they get into the hands of people in it just to make a fast buck. It must be very difficult for the DP’s deciding who can have an allocation or not. I’m yet to own a new GT car but I hope by carrying on my relationship with my local opc will one day enable me to spec a new gt car to my preferred spec. I liken the OPC to a fishing lake where its understood you may fish there for eternity but as long as you only take one fish away..I just throw back the tiddlers until i catch the big one and then its me laughing all the way to the bank.Its all part of a long term cunning plan Baldrick..
Imo it’s a dying shame not to see these cars being driven, let’s not forget the reason most of us true car nuts got into cars years a ago was due to seeing these sort of cars out and about as a kid. The only place you get to see these sort of cars nowadays is on the internet!
[quote=s2000db]Are the dealers more upset that cars are flipped, or that they weren’t flipped through them??[/quote
Most Flipping goes on through the dealerships and my local dealer gets very angry to the point of black listing them when someone flips it outside the dealership. However its ok to sell back to them and they can flip on a commission basis.
Most Flipping goes on through the dealerships and my local dealer gets very angry to the point of black listing them when someone flips it outside the dealership. However its ok to sell back to them and they can flip on a commission basis.
spyderlight]2000db said:
Are the dealers more upset that cars are flipped, or that they weren’t flipped through them??[/quote
Most Flipping goes on through the dealerships and my local dealer gets very angry to the point of black listing them when someone flips it outside the dealership. However its ok to sell back to them and they can flip on a commission basis.
So its all about greed and morals basically then they're saying.Most Flipping goes on through the dealerships and my local dealer gets very angry to the point of black listing them when someone flips it outside the dealership. However its ok to sell back to them and they can flip on a commission basis.
I think that just screams bias...
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