Avenger Tiger at auction

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woodypup59

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612 posts

151 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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Hi folks,

Does anyone know what the '72 Tiger LJC 33K achieved at yesterdays CCA auction in Warwichchire yesterday (Saturday 2/12/17 ?)

https://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/hillman-aveng...

Estimate was 18 to 22k, but I wonder what it actually went for.

Thx

Dynamic Space Wizard

925 posts

103 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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woodypup59 said:
Hi folks,

Does anyone know what the '72 Tiger LJC 33K achieved at yesterdays CCA auction in Warwichchire yesterday (Saturday 2/12/17 ?)

https://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/hillman-aveng...

Estimate was 18 to 22k, but I wonder what it actually went for.

Thx
Buy now for (£): 18,000

I think that means it didn't reach the reserve.

david.h

408 posts

247 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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Correct. The auctioneers hold the sale open at a price the seller is willing to take, but they still add the buyer's premium (& the seller's as well unless negotiated otherwise I believe).
My 944s2 Cabrio didn't sell either!! It is shown as "available" at £9k, well that was on Saturday! I picked it up today & it is such a great driving car it will take £10,000 to prise it from me!
Someone paid £9350 with premium for a B####Y Porsche TRACTOR for heaven's sake! Try cruising that down the Autobahn at 135 plus! Mind you I can't plough a field with mine, so each to their own !
David

Flying Phil

1,578 posts

144 months

Tuesday 5th December 2017
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When I first started drag racing my modified Sprite in the Street Class, I was regularly beaten by an Production Avenger Tiger - but it was driven and tuned by David Vizard!

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Tuesday 5th December 2017
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Wow, that seems plenty - but then I look at Escort prices and it seems like a bargain!

Despite owning a MKII Escort RS2000 many years ago, I've always liked the Avenger Tiger, Hunter GLS, Viva GT, Droopsnoot Firenza and Chevette HS2300 - must be the British love of the underdog! laugh

Keep it stiff

1,762 posts

172 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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There is a Mk2 Tiger coming up next month.

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auction...


aeropilot

34,288 posts

226 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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Mr Tidy said:
Wow, that seems plenty - but then I look at Escort prices and it seems like a bargain!

Despite owning a MKII Escort RS2000 many years ago, I've always liked the Avenger Tiger, Hunter GLS, Viva GT, Droopsnoot Firenza and Chevette HS2300 - must be the British love of the underdog! laugh
And the Rootes products (Hunter GLS, Rapier H120, Avenger Tiger & Sunbeam Ti) are probably the rarest of the bunch in terms of survivors. Only the Sunbeam-Lotus has survived in any significant number, and that's a relative term.

When I first joined my local motor club in 1980, there were two people there with genuine Avenger Tigers, both road rally prepared, one a Mk1 and the other a Wardance Red Mk2.
Within the next couple of years both would be no more, although the running gear of the Mk2 was transferred into a clean 2-dr Avenger shell after it was totalled on an event.

Like you, I liked all of those great 60's/70's homologation specials, having owned a Mexico, 3 x RS2000's, Twin-Cam, Sunbeam Ti and Sunbeam-Lotus as well almost buying a HS Chevette and a Firenza Droopsnoot as well as a Mk2 998 Cooper.

Happy days smile


rene7

533 posts

82 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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Tiger's were always rare/unloved even when new - Rootes ploy of only making 500 or how ever many backfired IMO, when Ford/BMC made however many required of the Cooper/S, Mexico/RS2000's Consequently more people owned BMC & fords = hence the price differences nowsmile More people want to relive their youth spent with whichever car they lusted after/owned at the time.
Same goes for Viva GT's etc.etc always 3rd or 4th choice for most - that's not to say they were inferior, just not as Cool/desirablesmile

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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aeropilot said:
And the Rootes products (Hunter GLS, Rapier H120, Avenger Tiger & Sunbeam Ti) are probably the rarest of the bunch in terms of survivors. Only the Sunbeam-Lotus has survived in any significant number, and that's a relative term.

When I first joined my local motor club in 1980, there were two people there with genuine Avenger Tigers, both road rally prepared, one a Mk1 and the other a Wardance Red Mk2.
Within the next couple of years both would be no more, although the running gear of the Mk2 was transferred into a clean 2-dr Avenger shell after it was totalled on an event.

Like you, I liked all of those great 60's/70's homologation specials, having owned a Mexico, 3 x RS2000's, Twin-Cam, Sunbeam Ti and Sunbeam-Lotus as well almost buying a HS Chevette and a Firenza Droopsnoot as well as a Mk2 998 Cooper.

Happy days smile
Thanks, I thought it was just me! laugh (Never wanted any Mini though). POS IMHO. laugh

aeropilot

34,288 posts

226 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Mr Tidy said:
aeropilot said:
And the Rootes products (Hunter GLS, Rapier H120, Avenger Tiger & Sunbeam Ti) are probably the rarest of the bunch in terms of survivors. Only the Sunbeam-Lotus has survived in any significant number, and that's a relative term.

When I first joined my local motor club in 1980, there were two people there with genuine Avenger Tigers, both road rally prepared, one a Mk1 and the other a Wardance Red Mk2.
Within the next couple of years both would be no more, although the running gear of the Mk2 was transferred into a clean 2-dr Avenger shell after it was totalled on an event.

Like you, I liked all of those great 60's/70's homologation specials, having owned a Mexico, 3 x RS2000's, Twin-Cam, Sunbeam Ti and Sunbeam-Lotus as well almost buying a HS Chevette and a Firenza Droopsnoot as well as a Mk2 998 Cooper.

Happy days smile
Thanks, I thought it was just me! laugh (Never wanted any Mini though). POS IMHO. laugh
Your right about Mini's laugh

lowdrag

12,868 posts

212 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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There's one coming up at Anglia Auctions next weekend I see.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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Having had an RS2000 back in the day, I always lusted after Rootes Group 'hot' cars. I'd still have a Tiger in a heartbeat if I had the disposable cash.

grumpy52

5,565 posts

165 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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The Chrysler dealers that I worked for in the early 70s ( Nicholls of Bedford )
had one . As most will know they were originally just demo cars and not for sale .
It was used and demonstrated by everyone and even needed a gearbox replacement after 2000 miles .
I was service crew on an Avenger rally car , one of the now infamous Brazilian Taxi spec cars .
In South America they did an engine that ran on refined wood alcohol that had a larger capacity.
If they had been developed as much as Fords products then they would have been much more successful .

aeropilot

34,288 posts

226 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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grumpy52 said:
If they had been developed as much as Fords products then they would have been much more successful .
Des had to run Humber Rd Comp Dept on a fraction of the budget that Ford gave to Boreham.


Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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Strange how much love there is for the Fords - they weren't really any better than the Rootes or Vauxhall options.

A mate of mine deals in older cars and a couple of years ago bought a really clean Hillman Hunter GL with a genuine Holbay engine in it.

Then a year or so later he bought a standard MK5 Cortina 1.6 Crusader which sold for nearly twice as much as the Hunter - it didn't make sense to either of us, but we weren't surprised.

Keep it stiff

1,762 posts

172 months

Sunday 21st January 2018
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How Many Left Q3 2017 reports 14 taxed and 14 SORNed.

The Avenger Tiger was rarer in its day and far more expensive than the RS. Rarer it remains however RS values have shot ahead, such is the draw of the blue oval.

Edited by Keep it stiff on Sunday 21st January 13:58

droopsnoot

11,806 posts

241 months

Sunday 21st January 2018
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Keep it stiff said:
The Avenger Tiger was rarer in its day and far more expensive than the RS. Rarer it remains however RS values have shot ahead, such is the draw of the blue oval.
I think things can be too rare, though. With very small numbers there's a limited market for parts remanufacture and a limited market for cars to change hands.

lowdrag

12,868 posts

212 months

Monday 22nd January 2018
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Keep it stiff said:
How Many Left Q3 2017 reports 14 taxed and 14 SORNed.

The Avenger Tiger was rarer in its day and far more expensive than the RS. Rarer it remains however RS values have shot ahead, such is the draw of the blue oval.
And all due to Ford putting so much money into motor sport. When one thinks back to the 70s and 80s and rallying Vauxhall isn't the first name to come to mind, it's Ford. The only Vauxhall I've ever owned was an SRi Cavalier, and it was a superb machine. It just needed power steering.

aeropilot

34,288 posts

226 months

Monday 22nd January 2018
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lowdrag said:
Keep it stiff said:
How Many Left Q3 2017 reports 14 taxed and 14 SORNed.

The Avenger Tiger was rarer in its day and far more expensive than the RS. Rarer it remains however RS values have shot ahead, such is the draw of the blue oval.
And all due to Ford putting so much money into motor sport. When one thinks back to the 70s and 80s and rallying Vauxhall isn't the first name to come to mind, it's Ford.
Actually, the Chevette HSR was better than the Escort as a rallycar, but because of the lack of budget put into it in the beginning, by the time it was the better car, Group 4 had been replaced by Group B and Audi had moved the goalposts (plus the fact that GM internal politics meant that the works rallying effort went to Opel in Germany rather than the tiny UK Vauxhall factory supported effort run by Bill Blydenstein at Shepreth.
Mind you, had Audi not introduced 4 wheel drive, Ford likely would have had the HSR and Ascona/Manta 400's beat with the RS1700T anyway.


grumpy52

5,565 posts

165 months

Monday 22nd January 2018
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Many tend to forget the motorsport triumphs of Hillmans either Hunters or Avengers .
Hunters in Long Distance Rallies
Avengers in circuit racing .
They didn't get the marketing or catch the imagination of the public.
The Avenger especially in two door form was a far better platform than the Escort .
Just needed a proper competition budget not the £2-50p that Des O'dell was given .