F02 2010-2012 760
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BMW F01/02 are very reliable cars. People here report running costs similar to a mondeo on the 730d of this era. The engine itself is used in the modern day Rolls Royces, and no problems have been reported from either end. Bare in mind that there is double of everything on this car, which can drive up costs. Two turbochargers, 12 spark plugs, 12 injectors, 2 batteries, list goes on. In car technology is what is found on the 5 series F10, nothing to report from there. It won't really put you wrong, bar fuel economy, but I think these get 25mpg, which is more than what our X5 gets right now.
Bare in mind it's no slouch but it's not 996 turbo fast either, but has effortless power. The sheer power of the thing is slightly dampened by the heavy weight of the thing, especially as the F02 is LWB.
Even still, I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I could.
Bare in mind it's no slouch but it's not 996 turbo fast either, but has effortless power. The sheer power of the thing is slightly dampened by the heavy weight of the thing, especially as the F02 is LWB.
Even still, I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I could.
I know of a few most issues seem to circulate around misfires though. I do of one that needed a new cylinder head at minimum, and speaking to the tech involved the cost of said cylinder head was enough to purchase a new 1 series and still have spare cash.
Flipside he said to drive as long as you ignored the fuel gauge it was doing 1200ish rpm at 85-90.
Flipside he said to drive as long as you ignored the fuel gauge it was doing 1200ish rpm at 85-90.
my snip..
And - OP - got your mail, I can’t be of too much help sorry, mine’s an E66, so previous generation. I’ve no direct F01 experience of the v12.
Ninja59 said:
Flipside he said to drive as long as you ignored the fuel gauge it was doing 1200ish rpm at 85-90.
You sure about that? Seems remarkably long gearing to me. (unless we’re talking Kilometers) And - OP - got your mail, I can’t be of too much help sorry, mine’s an E66, so previous generation. I’ve no direct F01 experience of the v12.
jwyke said:
Wow, any idea why it needed a new head? That is pretty unusual - thanks
You need special tools to sort the spark plugs apparently someone neglected maintaining it...just leaving spark plugs until it misfired or did the job badly no one is 100% certain...either way...Initially no one suspected anything serious as misfire problems are common with them new plugs and cleaning job done.
No the spark plug on a few cylinders were moving around....no sealing it properly and hence some of the issues.
Only way to fix was a new head.
Prinny said:
You sure about that? Seems remarkably long gearing to me. (unless we’re talking Kilometers)
And - OP - got your mail, I can’t be of too much help sorry, mine’s an E66, so previous generation. I’ve no direct F01 experience of the v12.
I could well believe it with the 8HP as 8th is a very long cruising gear. My 640D at just under 80 mph is at 1800 rpm and only goes into 8th at just over 60 ish. More power and larger capacity etcAnd - OP - got your mail, I can’t be of too much help sorry, mine’s an E66, so previous generation. I’ve no direct F01 experience of the v12.
I recently bought a facelift 2012 760Li F02.
The speed and acceleration is huge - in Comfort mode it does feel like a heavy car accelerating with a bit of lag nad 'winding up' feel, kinda similar to my previous E65 730d. But put it in Sport mode and it's a totally different car. I used to think these 'sport modes' were silly and made little difference, on the 760 it really does change everything. Acceleration is instant and brutal at any speed / gear. The handling and suspension is much firmer and little lean on corners.
Note that many of the upgrades in the facelift were in the 760 pre-facelift. Eg the gearbox was introduced in the 760 before being rolled out to the others in the facelift. I think the 760 facelift was mostly cosmetic (split line in the lower bumber intake, updated rear tv screens).
I could not find anything else with the speed plus comfort. I'd actually have been happy with a 750 or 740 petrol performance, but you just can't find them with the interior spec even at base 760 level.
Reliability I can't say too much as I've only had it 6 months, but no issues and I've done ~£5k miles. Including a two week dirving holiday around Scotland (including a 1hr 5 mins east to west cost run.... I'll leave you to guess which route that was!).
The only issue I had was wheels well out of alignment (they'd never been adjusted before as checking is not part of a dealer service). And one of the alloys was quite badly buckled - £50 at my local wheel place sorted that.
I think I got quite a good deal too - 4.5 years old, 21k miles, bought from Park Lane BMW, ~£30k. You'd like they would be expensive, but I think they get these back from lease deals and just need to shift them quickly - I've since seen a few 760s for good money there. They also put in brand new floor mats, number plates, etc which you'd not get at most dealers.
On mpg I got 22 average for the whole 2700 mile Scotland trip, including a 6 hour agressive round trip on twisty roads with much overtaking to pick up something I left at a B&B! I sometimes use it for communit 2.6 miles to work and get between 8 and 14 mpg.
In summary, do it. There will not be many opportunities in the future to own and use a V12 - soon this will be so utterly unacceptable in society. And to be able to do so at this price, this performance and this luxury is unique.
The speed and acceleration is huge - in Comfort mode it does feel like a heavy car accelerating with a bit of lag nad 'winding up' feel, kinda similar to my previous E65 730d. But put it in Sport mode and it's a totally different car. I used to think these 'sport modes' were silly and made little difference, on the 760 it really does change everything. Acceleration is instant and brutal at any speed / gear. The handling and suspension is much firmer and little lean on corners.
Note that many of the upgrades in the facelift were in the 760 pre-facelift. Eg the gearbox was introduced in the 760 before being rolled out to the others in the facelift. I think the 760 facelift was mostly cosmetic (split line in the lower bumber intake, updated rear tv screens).
I could not find anything else with the speed plus comfort. I'd actually have been happy with a 750 or 740 petrol performance, but you just can't find them with the interior spec even at base 760 level.
Reliability I can't say too much as I've only had it 6 months, but no issues and I've done ~£5k miles. Including a two week dirving holiday around Scotland (including a 1hr 5 mins east to west cost run.... I'll leave you to guess which route that was!).
The only issue I had was wheels well out of alignment (they'd never been adjusted before as checking is not part of a dealer service). And one of the alloys was quite badly buckled - £50 at my local wheel place sorted that.
I think I got quite a good deal too - 4.5 years old, 21k miles, bought from Park Lane BMW, ~£30k. You'd like they would be expensive, but I think they get these back from lease deals and just need to shift them quickly - I've since seen a few 760s for good money there. They also put in brand new floor mats, number plates, etc which you'd not get at most dealers.
On mpg I got 22 average for the whole 2700 mile Scotland trip, including a 6 hour agressive round trip on twisty roads with much overtaking to pick up something I left at a B&B! I sometimes use it for communit 2.6 miles to work and get between 8 and 14 mpg.
In summary, do it. There will not be many opportunities in the future to own and use a V12 - soon this will be so utterly unacceptable in society. And to be able to do so at this price, this performance and this luxury is unique.
Good to hear! I’m not going to ask which Scottish road 
Most important question - as you’re here, and an owner, what speed/rpm is it in 8th as per questions above? I’m genuinely interested to know.
My E66 760 is at near as dammit 40mph/1000rpm in 6th (top), for reference, and the best trip I’ve ever managed was 22.9 mpg, and that on boxing day, with bugger all traffic on the roads. The fact that you can beat that while nonchalantly swanning up to Scotland shows just how far the technology progressed from 2002 > 2010!
Most important question - as you’re here, and an owner, what speed/rpm is it in 8th as per questions above? I’m genuinely interested to know.
My E66 760 is at near as dammit 40mph/1000rpm in 6th (top), for reference, and the best trip I’ve ever managed was 22.9 mpg, and that on boxing day, with bugger all traffic on the roads. The fact that you can beat that while nonchalantly swanning up to Scotland shows just how far the technology progressed from 2002 > 2010!
Prinny said:
Good to hear! I’m not going to ask which Scottish road
Most important question - as you’re here, and an owner, what speed/rpm is it in 8th as per questions above? I’m genuinely interested to know.
My E66 760 is at near as dammit 40mph/1000rpm in 6th (top), for reference, and the best trip I’ve ever managed was 22.9 mpg, and that on boxing day, with bugger all traffic on the roads. The fact that you can beat that while nonchalantly swanning up to Scotland shows just how far the technology progressed from 2002 > 2010!
I'll try to take note of the revs next time I'm out in it - mostly sits on the drive as our other car is a Toyota iQ - which I happen to think is the perfect complimenting car to a 760 as it is at the opposite end of the scale in almost every aspect (including my 760 is white and the iQ black!).Most important question - as you’re here, and an owner, what speed/rpm is it in 8th as per questions above? I’m genuinely interested to know.
My E66 760 is at near as dammit 40mph/1000rpm in 6th (top), for reference, and the best trip I’ve ever managed was 22.9 mpg, and that on boxing day, with bugger all traffic on the roads. The fact that you can beat that while nonchalantly swanning up to Scotland shows just how far the technology progressed from 2002 > 2010!
My mpg on the Scotland trip was actually ~27mpg on the run from the London area to the Glasgow area, the average was pulled down to 22 by all the day tripping on the interesting roads around Scotland which tended to be about 20-21mpg per day.
I still think I could pull 30 mpg out of it on a ~100 mile journey. I just need to get the right opportunity when I can motivate myslef to drive slower. Although hypermiling a 760 is maybe missing the point .......
Edited by eein on Wednesday 10th January 12:07
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