X flow starting problems

X flow starting problems

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Captain Spoons

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51 posts

187 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Got a 1700 super sprint which refuses to start!
Running fine about 4 weeks ago following a service, but been left in the cold since then.
Have spark and fuel pump running fine also.
New plugs and Leads at service as well
Can hear it wanting to start with a few little coughs but no joy!!
RAC been out but he was stumped as well!
He was mucking about with the distributed caps and now worried plugs in wrong way...
Should it be cylinder 1 in top right hand plug, 2 in top left, 3 in bottom right and 4 bottom left??
If you see what I mean?

Any ideas?

Skyedriver

17,842 posts

282 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Oh dear, the RAC man has been mucking about.
Trouble is he probably doesn't have much of an education of points, capacitors etc
I assume its a Ford Crossflow

The distributor is under the webers and not easy to meddle with so:

did he actually remove the distributor? If he did then there are 6 different options for putting it back in.

Lets assume first that he didn't

remove the cap

turn the engine over to TDC (two options for this so I'm afraid the rocker cover needs to come off)
the TDC you want is the one where the rockers on cylinder 1 are both "loose" ie not touching the top of the valve and the valve is therefore closed.

where is the rotor arm pointing? That's the place on the distributor where lead 1 should go.
From 1, go clockwise 3, 4, 2.

If he did pull the distributor out the above is generally the same BUT you might have trouble withthe low tension cable being too stretched so you'll need to remove the distributor and turn it through 1/6th a turn.

Going back to the very beginning, it worked 4 weeks ago but not now.
Damp on the coil, distributor cap, leads?
The capacitor has coincidently failed (they do but normally on the road)
Ditto the rotor arm, normally fails on a dark night or when you are taking the car for an MoT!
Ditto the coil I suppose but all along you said there was a spark and fuel.

So (i hate starting a sentence with so) my guess is you flooded it. Have the plugs been out, cleaned, dried? Maybe hold the electrodes in a gas flame to dry and warm.

Oh and one other thought, is it a mechanical fuel pump. If so did it take most of the battery to get fuel to the carbs by which time there wasn't enough battery left to spin the engine over?

Where abouts are you, much of the above is easier to do than write about.

Tony H

Captain Spoons

Original Poster:

51 posts

187 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Many thanks Tony!!
Plugs in the clockwise direction 1 through 4, so that sounds ok?
New spark plugs and then the ones that were working, tested again and both sets spark fine!
Fuel pulled through into carbs without using up battery as well - new battery in fact so decent power from it.

All very mysterious??
I’m in the Glos area

Skyedriver

17,842 posts

282 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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Massive OOOPPS on my behalf

Plug leads on dizzy go anti clockwise! 1 3 4 2

Must learn to control my fingers

Captain Spoons

Original Poster:

51 posts

187 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Ha! No worries will check!
Bizarrely it burst into life for 10 mins and now non starting again!


Skyedriver

17,842 posts

282 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Running normally, ticking over and revving ok?

Did it just die "instantly" or stutter cough and die slowly?

ie electric or fuel related. Broken wire on the low tension side? Or to the fuel pump?

Blockage on the fuel line? Blockage on a jet/emulsion tube? Modern fuel can "solidify" when left, certainly screws up my strimmer.

Very difficult to diagnose from a distance

Eric Mc

121,994 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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I had similar problems last year after a winter layover. Thanks to great help from some PHers who actually came out to me and worked really hard on the car, the culprit was found to be a split fuel inlet pipe. It was drawing air rather the fuel into the carbs. Once the pipe was replaced, the engine fired up.

Captain Spoons

Original Poster:

51 posts

187 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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Is on 1,3,4,2 Rotor arm pointing at the number 1 lead so think that’s right?

I’m at a loss!!
Fuel all changed and brand new, been getting little shocks off the leads when I’ve been fiddling so think we have sparks happening??

As said earlier- did fire into life last week out of the blue and since then nothing....

Captain Spoons

Original Poster:

51 posts

187 months

Saturday 20th January 2018
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Is on 1,3,4,2 Rotor arm pointing at the number 1 lead so think that’s right?

I’m at a loss!!
Fuel all changed and brand new, been getting little shocks off the leads when I’ve been fiddling so think we have sparks happening??

As said earlier- did fire into life last week out of the blue and since then nothing....

12ax7

13 posts

117 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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XFlows are 1243

Skyedriver

17,842 posts

282 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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12ax7 said:
XFlows are 1243
In future I will keep my big gob firmly closed
Just been out into the cold garage after a couple of beers and a very pleasant whisky and can confirm that anti clockwise 12AX7 is correct!
1342 clockwise 1243 anti clockwise, swop the 2 & 3 plug leads over and report back

I'll then turn to the classroom corner with my Dunces hat on

GinG15

501 posts

171 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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despite the RAC man may have messed-up the firing order....this wasnt the original problem

the original problem was:

car was put into storage, 3 weeks later it doesnt start, even fuelpump is running and spark is present...right?

carbs are weber dcoe?

sometimes sidedraight cars wont start the engine in cold weather without choke...webers not so critical, dellortos more critical.....so have oyu tried with pulling the choke? is there a choke cable connected?

are you sure, even the fuel-pump is running, that fuel arrives inside the carbs? (open one of the carb covers)

have you tried to unscrew the plugs, clean them and pre-heat them with a lighter, refit them and try to start?






Captain Spoons

Original Poster:

51 posts

187 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Thanks again all!
Connected as suggested and still no joy- think by this point I have tried every order possible mathematically!!

I’ve gone as far as I can, so getting it lifted to the man that knows at the garage!

corinthian

217 posts

133 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Any news?
I have the same car but my points were replaced by a cheap electronic gizmo from redline components. The first of these gadgets lasted a while then did what yours is doing.
Replaced with the same again and it’s been perfect ever since.