991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

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MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Robbo66 said:
This thread just keeps on giving...
Well, we got to work with what we have topic wise .... otherwise nobody would post anymore

cormeist

828 posts

100 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Title: good time to buy a .1 GT3-RS... I’d not buy one just yet, I’d hold off till new year, see how the market goes

luigisayshello

245 posts

93 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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For those who believe in fairies, grab a coolant pipe and try to move it, if it moves even an inch it's just waiting to come out. Please just fix this for your and others safety, really.

For those who took the head out of sand, if you are pinning the coolant pipes and have money laying around do the following as from the biggest priority to the least:
- pin coolant pipes
-check the cam bolts torque, draw a marker to see if they move;
-check your lsd, i bet any of you still running oem dif that your will be fck and you are running an open diff, there are a couple of options, choose whatever it fits you.
-if you have lwfw make sure you have the 4.0 one, the 3.8 one gave some problems.
All of these get a lot cheaper on labor when you drop the engine for the pinning, so might as well as just eat the loss one time.

Good luck to those who still think the 997.2 gt3 (rs) is faultless, genuinely, because you will need it especially when a coolant pipe gives.

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Prices still seem to be dropping on these, I wonder where they will bottom out.

My guess is a usable one with around 7k on the clock will be up for sake for around £130k private sale in less than two years time.

The two lhd cars with similar miles have been for sale around the £150k matk most of the year. Clearly very little demand for lhd at this price point.

Anyone know what the trade bids are on a usable rhd car at the moment?


m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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GT4RS said:
Anyone know what the trade bids are on a usable rhd car at the moment?
Apparently circa £150K....although I'm reluctant to jump in while cars aren't selling and prices are still falling.

Crackedwinscreen

37 posts

149 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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You are always talking the market down when it suits you, very sad. It’s flippers like you that have contributed to this current market.

The generation 991.2 GT3 has been over cooked and the market is having to adjust. As good as they are they will not command the premiums the RS cars do in the longer term. The Touring may continue to be an anomaly but I feel they too will have a price correction.

The generation 991.1 GT3 RS is undervalued in this current market. They are under appreciated and low mileage PTS cars will be the ones to have, especially if the 992 GT cars go hybrid.

Crackedwinscreen

37 posts

149 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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You are always talking the market down when it suits you, very sad. It’s flippers like you that have contributed to this current market.

The generation 991.2 GT3 has been over cooked and the market is having to adjust. As good as they are they will not command the premiums the RS cars do in the longer term. The Touring may continue to be an anomaly but I feel they too will have a price correction.

The generation 991.1 GT3 RS is undervalued in this current market. They are under appreciated and low mileage PTS cars will be the ones to have, especially if the 992 GT cars go hybrid.

m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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cormeist said:
Title: good time to buy a .1 GT3-RS... I’d not buy one just yet, I’d hold off till new year, see how the market goes
That's about where I am.....although incredibly unlikely I'll manage to wait until the new year - maybe September/October unless the right spec car comes up sooner.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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Crackedwinscreen said:
The generation 991.1 GT3 RS is undervalued in this current market. They are under appreciated and low mileage PTS cars will be the ones to have, especially if the 992 GT cars go hybrid.
I would take a 991.2 CS car over a 991.1 RS though, because the new engine is just so good, and the steering is far better, as a drivers car the 991.2 GT3 feels more pure, on top of that you get infotaiment which works.

all 991.1 models will be the poor sellers imo and do look expensive, you are buying the RS for status and looks alone, the new cars better in every way. EPS is amazing in the new GT cars now. never liked the 991.1 GT3 and while the RS will always be an RS the 991.2 RS is leagues better and will be the sort after one if it's the RS badge you want over the drive.

991.1 RS vs 991.2 GT3 well you are just buying for looks or trying to invest, if you want a purer drivers car you buy the newer non RS model.

imo of course but I could swap into a RS if I wished but you just wouldn't if you have driven a new car.

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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Porsche911R said:
Crackedwinscreen said:
The generation 991.1 GT3 RS is undervalued in this current market. They are under appreciated and low mileage PTS cars will be the ones to have, especially if the 992 GT cars go hybrid.
I would take a 991.2 CS car over a 991.1 RS though, because the new engine is just so good, and the steering is far better, as a drivers car the 991.2 GT3 feels more pure, on top of that you get infotaiment which works.

all 991.1 models will be the poor sellers imo and do look expensive, you are buying the RS for status and looks alone, the new cars better in every way. EPS is amazing in the new GT cars now. never liked the 991.1 GT3 and while the RS will always be an RS the 991.2 RS is leagues better and will be the sort after one if it's the RS badge you want over the drive.

991.1 RS vs 991.2 GT3 well you are just buying for looks or trying to invest, if you want a purer drivers car you buy the newer non RS model.

imo of course but I could swap into a RS if I wished but you just wouldn't if you have driven a new car.
No dog in this fight, but out of curiosity is it also the better track car or are you evaluating purely as a road car?

Cheib

23,112 posts

174 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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I was talking to someone earlier whose company amongst other things build motorsport Porsche engines....he was saying that a lot of people don't appreciate how special the 991.2 engine is and how much of an improvement it is over the 991.1 because of the fact it's "basically a motorsport engine". Thinks long term it will have a significant impact on values.

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

If cars with 7k on the clock are selling for £165k and undead are selling for 210k that’s a huge cost per mile considering you are going to get bid around 150k. Could cost you as much as 10k per thousand miles!

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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cormeist said:
Title: good time to buy a .1 GT3-RS... I’d not buy one just yet, I’d hold off till new year, see how the market goes
I would have to agree with this, I would also stay away from the new gt3 cars as there a lot amount for sale around £170k

A gt3 Rs with 6k on the clock for £165k looks better long term. The new gt3 will track the last model in pricing terms

isaldiri

18,412 posts

167 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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MDL111 said:
No dog in this fight, but out of curiosity is it also the better track car or are you evaluating purely as a road car?
You won't get an unbiased objective answer from the owner of one car that doesn't have the other. All the .2 owners will say their car is better (engine despite the sportauto dyno not showing as vast a difference as claimed) but all the .1rs will say theirs is better (rs badge and more aero/grip etc). Unless one absolutely had to have a manual there's probably not so much difference between the 2 cars tbh.....

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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isaldiri said:
You won't get an unbiased objective answer from the owner of one car that doesn't have the other. All the .2 owners will say their car is better (engine despite the sportauto dyno not showing as vast a difference as claimed) but all the .1rs will say theirs is better (rs badge and more aero/grip etc). Unless one absolutely had to have a manual there's probably not so much difference between the 2 cars tbh.....
I agree with this and after having a 991.1 RS and currently owning a 991.2 GT3 CS Manual - only discernible difference to me is the box - take your pick, no right or wrong here smile


GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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RSVP911 said:
I agree with this and after having a 991.1 RS and currently owning a 991.2 GT3 CS Manual - only discernible difference to me is the box - take your pick, no right or wrong here smile
Would you say the 991.1 rs is a more special car?

It certainly looks it IMO.

I would say most normal people wouldn’t even tell the difference in turn in speed and engine power delivery.

AL001

831 posts

269 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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Porsche911R said:
I would take a 991.2 CS car over a 991.1 RS though, because the new engine is just so good, and the steering is far better, as a drivers car the 991.2 GT3 feels more pure, on top of that you get infotaiment which works.

all 991.1 models will be the poor sellers imo and do look expensive, you are buying the RS for status and looks alone, the new cars better in every way. EPS is amazing in the new GT cars now. never liked the 991.1 GT3 and while the RS will always be an RS the 991.2 RS is leagues better and will be the sort after one if it's the RS badge you want over the drive.

991.1 RS vs 991.2 GT3 well you are just buying for looks or trying to invest, if you want a purer drivers car you buy the newer non RS model.

imo of course but I could swap into a RS if I wished but you just wouldn't if you have driven a new car.
Sheesh fella, you don't half talk some nonsense on this forum. The 4.0 engine in Mk2 feels very similar to Mk1 RS. The steering is no better in Mk2 at all and i'd only rate it 7/10. "Infotainment?" Eh, who cares about that....I've ran them both and currently have a Mk2 RS but Mk1 RS is still a great car.

Phooey

12,574 posts

168 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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RSVP911 said:
isaldiri said:
You won't get an unbiased objective answer from the owner of one car that doesn't have the other. All the .2 owners will say their car is better (engine despite the sportauto dyno not showing as vast a difference as claimed) but all the .1rs will say theirs is better (rs badge and more aero/grip etc). Unless one absolutely had to have a manual there's probably not so much difference between the 2 cars tbh.....
I agree with this and after having a 991.1 RS and currently owning a 991.2 GT3 CS Manual - only discernible difference to me is the box - take your pick, no right or wrong here smile
Another +1. I've been in all of them and they are all much better than 95% of drivers (me included), so either will fill your pants with jizz if you 'drive' it properly. Buy whichever you prefer the look of IMO. FWIW I would always choose something with the RS letters on the engine lid.. simply because it's an RS. And yes if you want manual then choice is limited - but personally I'd take a 997 over a 991. The 991.1 RS is the best value of all the 991 variants atm. Why anyone would spend £170k+ on a regular GT3 or £250k+ on a 991.2RS when a 991.1RS is sitting there at the similar or less money is beyond me, but each to their own. Carry on smile

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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AL001 said:
Sheesh fella, you don't half talk some nonsense on this forum. The 4.0 engine in Mk2 feels very similar to Mk1 RS. The steering is no better in Mk2 at all and i'd only rate it 7/10. "Infotainment?" Eh, who cares about that....I've ran them both and currently have a Mk2 RS but Mk1 RS is still a great car.
Well that’s my view on it, and this is yours -smile every ones happy. EPS feels totally different imo, so I could say it’s you talking nonsense :-p
But I guess it's only imo, I care about infotainment as I use my cars, I also have heated seats and cruise :-).

I feel the 991.1range was very un GT like and had the very un GT like engines, the RS had the looks for sure but the basic GT3 did not even feel like a GT car to me.

As for the RS it was not RS enough , Porsche fixed that in your new car which I bet you would say it’s leauges better, better eps, ultimate brake cooling, a Motorsport engine, mono ball sus arms, double rate springs etc etc. Back to feeling like an RS should do.

I see no point in owning the 991.1 RS, it's now in no mans land, a worse road car than the standard new GT3 and a lesser track car vs the new RS, value or not why own it ?

Also any new GT3 owner who bought list could just about swap into the old RS, but I doubt you will find many doing it. The new cars feel back to feeling proper GT imo and the new RS is a proper RS again.

GT3 road car which works on track, RS track car which can work on the road, back to the old times.

But people buy an RS because it’s an RS and people buy cars on value, I do neither and if I don't like a car it's sold quick smart. I even admitted I bought my GT3 to flip for a 997.2 RS again a straight enough swap, but decided not too as the new car is that good imo so decided to keep it a bit. For me it,s quite an easy choice as I only own manual cars and they have to work on B roads. And as long as the new car keeps making me smile which it does it’s staying put. I doubt many people have driven a new manual GT3 to make a comment at all.

Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 21st July 18:49

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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Phooey said:
Another +1. I've been in all of them and they are all much better than 95% of drivers (me included), so either will fill your pants with jizz if you 'drive' it properly. Buy whichever you prefer the look of IMO. FWIW I would always choose something with the RS letters on the engine lid.. simply because it's an RS. And yes if you want manual then choice is limited - but personally I'd take a 997 over a 991. The 991.1 RS is the best value of all the 991 variants atm. Why anyone would spend £170k+ on a regular GT3 or £250k+ on a 991.2RS when a 991.1RS is sitting there at the similar or less money is beyond me, but each to their own. Carry on smile
This man talks sense...I own a 991.2GT3 RS PDK as you do, but my clear favourite if you include value is a 991.1 GT3 RS, but only in UV because its bespoke to the gen 1 RS..