991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

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Jack drinker

66 posts

131 months

Friday 22nd March 2019
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Taffy66 said:
Last post by you was last July accusing me of not being a car enthusiast..Everybody who knows me will testify i'm the biggest cat enthusiast they know of.
Next post from you is today with another sly remark..You have a total of 47 posts and you contribute nothing to Pistonheads, just one trolling remark every eight months.If you can't contribute in a positive manner to any thread i suggest you go and troll elsewhere.
You have too much free time and too big an ego.

angussampson

138 posts

91 months

Friday 5th April 2019
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Anyway.....



With regard to the transmission debate and whether it’s a good time to buy....

To be honest I bought into the theory that the manual would be ‘ better’ than the pdk...

I drove a pdk 991 RS last week and enjoyed it miles more than I thought I would, having read all about how good the manuals are.. I hasten to add the manual that I drove was a 997.2 4.0 RS.

So... I’m now buying a pdk car rather than a manual....




hunter 66

3,888 posts

219 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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I agree the PDK is brilliant , my . was the first non manual Porsche I have bought and it is brilliant . Spoke to a guy at a Porsche coffee morning who said the same. Due to PH talk he bought a manual .2 GT3 , and hardly uses it as prefers his Cayman PDK , wishes he had got PDK on GT3 .

Jack drinker

66 posts

131 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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hunter 66 said:
I agree the PDK is brilliant , my . was the first non manual Porsche I have bought and it is brilliant . Spoke to a guy at a Porsche coffee morning who said the same. Due to PH talk he bought a manual .2 GT3 , and hardly uses it as prefers his Cayman PDK , wishes he had got PDK on GT3 .
I must admit, I prefer PDK on the GT3, i feel that with the car being so fast on road that not having to worry about changing gears allows me to further appreciate all the other aspects of the car.

Saying that, on the 981 Spyder with less power I can’t imagine it being as enjoyable without a manual gearbox.



av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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angussampson said:
Anyway.....



With regard to the transmission debate and whether it’s a good time to buy....

To be honest I bought into the theory that the manual would be ‘ better’ than the pdk...

I drove a pdk 991 RS last week and enjoyed it miles more than I thought I would, having read all about how good the manuals are.. I hasten to add the manual that I drove was a 997.2 4.0 RS.

So... I’m now buying a pdk car rather than a manual....
997 GT3RS 4.0 and 991.2 GT3 whilst both being 'manuel' are chalk and cheese.

I prefer the 991.

JulierPass

641 posts

229 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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angussampson said:
Anyway.....



With regard to the transmission debate and whether it’s a good time to buy....

To be honest I bought into the theory that the manual would be ‘ better’ than the pdk...

I drove a pdk 991 RS last week and enjoyed it miles more than I thought I would, having read all about how good the manuals are.. I hasten to add the manual that I drove was a 997.2 4.0 RS.

So... I’m now buying a pdk car rather than a manual....
I'd urge you to drive the manual 991.2 GT3. I have 991.1 RS, 991.2 GT3 and 997 4.0 RS. Done lots of miles in all of them. The clutch and gearbox in the 997 4.0 RS is great but I accept it's an acquired taste and really divides opinion. Personally I love it. The clutch and box in the 991.2 GT3 is much more user friendly. I've run my 991.2 GT3 as a daily because of how easy the box is and how light the clutch is. That said the PDK is by far quicker for track work, but I accept now where near as engaging.

Cheib

23,113 posts

174 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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Jack drinker said:
hunter 66 said:
I agree the PDK is brilliant , my . was the first non manual Porsche I have bought and it is brilliant . Spoke to a guy at a Porsche coffee morning who said the same. Due to PH talk he bought a manual .2 GT3 , and hardly uses it as prefers his Cayman PDK , wishes he had got PDK on GT3 .
I must admit, I prefer PDK on the GT3, i feel that with the car being so fast on road that not having to worry about changing gears allows me to further appreciate all the other aspects of the car.

Saying that, on the 981 Spyder with less power I can’t imagine it being as enjoyable without a manual gearbox.
You must be driving at a hell of a pace to find changing gear that much of a distraction. It’s a key part of the driving experience for me....and I feel I drive it as fast as I dare on public roads!

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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Cheib said:
You must be driving at a hell of a pace to find changing gear that much of a distraction. It’s a key part of the driving experience for me....and I feel I drive it as fast as I dare on public roads!
Took the words out of my mouth smile

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Cheib said:
You must be driving at a hell of a pace to find changing gear that much of a distraction. It’s a key part of the driving experience for me....and I feel I drive it as fast as I dare on public roads!
Took the words out of my mouth smile
Yep it's definitely time for Henry Catchpoles epic display and analogy of driving the manual GT3 as fresh coffee v PDK as instant coffee......driving

angussampson

138 posts

91 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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I appreciate your views fellas!


To be honest , I can see both arguments...

I had a drive of an Audi RS3 and I loved the auto / paddle shift in that...

Must say that I was well impressed with the PDK RS

Anyway, I know I’m not supposed to buy for this reason, but I’ve decided to go for an RS due to the differential in residuals of the the previous generation cars... Plus I like the crazy look of the RS !

Has anyone got any tales of woe or near miss stories when buying one of these second hand....?

Whether it’s from an Indy specialist or an OPC , is one or other more trustworthy / regulated with regards to whether it’s been repaired/ re painted / over revved , and whether it’s declared ? How do you know about these minor details !?




angussampson

138 posts

91 months

Saturday 6th April 2019
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JulierPass said:
I'd urge you to drive the manual 991.2 GT3. I have 991.1 RS, 991.2 GT3 and 997 4.0 RS. Done lots of miles in all of them. The clutch and gearbox in the 997 4.0 RS is great but I accept it's an acquired taste and really divides opinion. Personally I love it. The clutch and box in the 991.2 GT3 is much more user friendly. I've run my 991.2 GT3 as a daily because of how easy the box is and how light the clutch is. That said the PDK is by far quicker for track work, but I accept now where near as engaging.
Fair point - tried to have drive of the manual, but have you ever tried to get a dealer to let you test drive one ? Reading Left me in no doubt that I couldn’t have a test drive of theirs... I didn’t have any mates with one of these to have a go of unfortunately... !

So tell me you think the 991.1 RS is the best.... Please!!

hornbaek

3,670 posts

234 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and a 991 GT3 RS.1. The two cars offer two distinctly different driving experiences and it would be wrong to say that the one is better than the other. The 991 is clinical in its approach and going round the track or VMax’ing it on the autobahn without letting your hands off the steering wheel and not having to worry about overrevs has its attraction but it is equally great to get an up or down shift exactly right on the manual car. Two different experiences alltogether.

Jack drinker

66 posts

131 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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hornbaek said:
I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and a 991 GT3 RS.1. The two cars offer two distinctly different driving experiences and it would be wrong to say that the one is better than the other. The 991 is clinical in its approach and going round the track or VMax’ing it on the autobahn without letting your hands off the steering wheel and not having to worry about overrevs has its attraction but it is equally great to get an up or down shift exactly right on the manual car. Two different experiences alltogether.
Spot on

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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hornbaek said:
I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and a 991 GT3 RS.1. The two cars offer two distinctly different driving experiences and it would be wrong to say that the one is better than the other. The 991 is clinical in its approach and going round the track or VMax’ing it on the autobahn without letting your hands off the steering wheel and not having to worry about overrevs has its attraction but it is equally great to get an up or down shift exactly right on the manual car. Two different experiences alltogether.
Very true. And so much else besides. The 991 engine has noticeably less mid range torque than the 4.0 and on the road I found myself downshifting a lot more to get it to build speed. And the 991 has more grip, much easier to get the car turned in and also with the help of rear wheel steer. Whilst the 4.0 isn’t exactly devoid of grip smile you need to work the work the car more, you’re more aware of roll and weight transfer. And of course there is the steering - hydraulic vs the 991’s electric setup.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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angussampson said:
Fair point - tried to have drive of the manual, but have you ever tried to get a dealer to let you test drive one ? Reading Left me in no doubt that I couldn’t have a test drive of theirs... I didn’t have any mates with one of these to have a go of unfortunately... !

So tell me you think the 991.1 RS is the best.... Please!!
If you get a 991.1GT3 RS make sure its in UV which is unique to that model.

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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Yep UV looks good but needs sunlight to make it come alive imo.

Always liked this photo (not my cars btw) with quite a rare Agate 991.2 GT3

JulierPass

641 posts

229 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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av185 said:
Yep UV looks good but needs sunlight to make it come alive imo.

Always liked this photo (not my cars btw) with quite a rare Agate 991.2 GT3
They are mine smile

Phooey

12,575 posts

168 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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angussampson said:
So tell me you think the 991.1 RS is the best.... Please!!
FWIW my heart would say take the RS.


I'm a big fan of PDK but found you have to be driving fast to appreciate how good it is. Bit difficult / risky driving fast on the road. I've done the PDK thing.. if I ever have another GT Porsche it'll quite possibly be manual. I don't miss my (PDK) GT3 one bit - although great car and big achievement (for the money) by Porsche, but found for road driving you may as well be driving a C2. I'm not afraid to admit I get now why people always come back to manual.

Jack drinker

66 posts

131 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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Cheib said:
Jack drinker said:
hunter 66 said:
I agree the PDK is brilliant , my . was the first non manual Porsche I have bought and it is brilliant . Spoke to a guy at a Porsche coffee morning who said the same. Due to PH talk he bought a manual .2 GT3 , and hardly uses it as prefers his Cayman PDK , wishes he had got PDK on GT3 .
I must admit, I prefer PDK on the GT3, i feel that with the car being so fast on road that not having to worry about changing gears allows me to further appreciate all the other aspects of the car.

Saying that, on the 981 Spyder with less power I can’t imagine it being as enjoyable without a manual gearbox.
You must be driving at a hell of a pace to find changing gear that much of a distraction. It’s a key part of the driving experience for me....and I feel I drive it as fast as I dare on public roads!
Haha, I wish I was that good a driver, the point I was trying to make is that sometimes a manual gearbox is so immersive that it detracts from other aspects of the car. This is ofcourse a good thing but sometimes you don’t get to fully appreciate the other great points of a car as much as you could if it were PDK... IMO.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Sunday 7th April 2019
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Phooey said:
angussampson said:
So tell me you think the 991.1 RS is the best.... Please!!
FWIW my heart would say take the RS.


I'm a big fan of PDK but found you have to be driving fast to appreciate how good it is. Bit difficult / risky driving fast on the road. I've done the PDK thing.. if I ever have another GT Porsche it'll quite possibly be manual. I don't miss my (PDK) GT3 one bit - although great car and big achievement (for the money) by Porsche, but found for road driving you may as well be driving a C2. I'm not afraid to admit I get now why people always come back to manual.
I completely agree with this - for track work the 991.1 RS , for spirited road driving a 991.2 GT3 manual or 981 Spyder gave me way more pleasure than my 991.1 RS.

I guess it’s what you plan to do with it that counts smile