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That was an enjoyable read, thanks for posting cmoose 
I have been feeling that contemporary 'super-sports' cars have been getting too fast for quite a while now. This viewpoint was compounded by a recent drive in a close family members McLaren 720s. It was FAR too fast for me. The thing hoovers up the horizon like a zoom lens on a camera!
I know I will be laughed at here but I had more fun driving my manual E46 3 series coupe home via greasy, muddy country roads than I did in the 720s.
I have been feeling that contemporary 'super-sports' cars have been getting too fast for quite a while now. This viewpoint was compounded by a recent drive in a close family members McLaren 720s. It was FAR too fast for me. The thing hoovers up the horizon like a zoom lens on a camera!
I know I will be laughed at here but I had more fun driving my manual E46 3 series coupe home via greasy, muddy country roads than I did in the 720s.
I can connect with your review as that is very very similar to how I felt after a few hours spent driving a friend's car.
Totally agree with your perspective...it is a great machine. The engine is super. My issue was that it does everything so well that well....it needed a few warts to give it 'character'
I actually stepped away from it thinking that it felt like a GT4 dialled up. So more power and composure but largely a similar feel in the ergonomics, interior, cockpit, steering, mid engined feel (with the 4ws on the road), etc. Of course, haven't driven on track but hopefully will try a pax on track next week.
The manual box was so well designed and smooth with perfect autoblips, that it made me wonder why have it and not just go PDK...the perfection felt a bit like I'm just moving a stick around and contriving a manual interface as a throw back.
Now the reality is that we all carry baggage and perspectives, personal journeys etc...so no one view is correct. For someone picking up a list price slot it is a very very good car for the money. If you have not been so fortunate and you are reading the hype and being offered cars for considerably more than list then expectations can be different.
I think as we saw with the 991.1RS previously, overhype can dull the experience. Underhype creates probably a beautiful experience.
(Oh, and it is definitely does not trump the connected experience of a 996 GT3/RS)
Totally agree with your perspective...it is a great machine. The engine is super. My issue was that it does everything so well that well....it needed a few warts to give it 'character'
I actually stepped away from it thinking that it felt like a GT4 dialled up. So more power and composure but largely a similar feel in the ergonomics, interior, cockpit, steering, mid engined feel (with the 4ws on the road), etc. Of course, haven't driven on track but hopefully will try a pax on track next week.
The manual box was so well designed and smooth with perfect autoblips, that it made me wonder why have it and not just go PDK...the perfection felt a bit like I'm just moving a stick around and contriving a manual interface as a throw back.
Now the reality is that we all carry baggage and perspectives, personal journeys etc...so no one view is correct. For someone picking up a list price slot it is a very very good car for the money. If you have not been so fortunate and you are reading the hype and being offered cars for considerably more than list then expectations can be different.
I think as we saw with the 991.1RS previously, overhype can dull the experience. Underhype creates probably a beautiful experience.
(Oh, and it is definitely does not trump the connected experience of a 996 GT3/RS)
Edited by LaSource on Thursday 15th March 13:23
Good on you for taking the time to make this post
I'm very excited to be getting my car soon, but after my first drive just recently, have realised how desperately single minded it is.
God knows what the RS is like.
T would have been more suitable for me and the road, but with all the hype, how do you turn one down?
I'm very excited to be getting my car soon, but after my first drive just recently, have realised how desperately single minded it is.
God knows what the RS is like.
T would have been more suitable for me and the road, but with all the hype, how do you turn one down?
v8ksn said:
That was an enjoyable read, thanks for posting cmoose
I have been feeling that contemporary 'super-sports' cars have been getting too fast for quite a while now. This viewpoint was compounded by a recent drive in a close family members McLaren 720s. It was FAR too fast for me. The thing hoovers up the horizon like a zoom lens on a camera!
I know I will be laughed at here but I had more fun driving my manual E46 3 series coupe home via greasy, muddy country roads than I did in the 720s.
Acid test for me will be whether I reach for the keys of the GT3 or the Clio 182 Trophy on a Sunday morning. I have been feeling that contemporary 'super-sports' cars have been getting too fast for quite a while now. This viewpoint was compounded by a recent drive in a close family members McLaren 720s. It was FAR too fast for me. The thing hoovers up the horizon like a zoom lens on a camera!
I know I will be laughed at here but I had more fun driving my manual E46 3 series coupe home via greasy, muddy country roads than I did in the 720s.
This review suggests that the Clio is still in with a chance.
ClioTrophy55 said:
Acid test for me will be whether I reach for the keys of the GT3 or the Clio 182 Trophy on a Sunday morning.
This review suggests that the Clio is still in with a chance.
Thing is most of us are slightly vain. Even if the Clio is a better experience, a shiny new toy that is the talk of town is always going to get the nod if going to a Sunday meet...This review suggests that the Clio is still in with a chance.
X-Box said:
Good on you for taking the time to make this post
I'm very excited to be getting my car soon, but after my first drive just recently, have realised how desperately single minded it is.
God knows what the RS is like.
T would have been more suitable for me and the road, but with all the hype, how do you turn one down?
Very honest of you.... not many people would admit this openly.I'm very excited to be getting my car soon, but after my first drive just recently, have realised how desperately single minded it is.
God knows what the RS is like.
T would have been more suitable for me and the road, but with all the hype, how do you turn one down?
Taffy66 said:
I agree with Cmoose about the new 4L not having the very top end high pitched scream of the 3.8L..Porsche just pulled it back a little bit through software tuning, to allow the new RS with an identical engine to have an edge.
Which is a bit annoying, but totally understandable. They have to have something extra for the RS but it's a shame they've slightly castrated the GT3 rather than add something on top for the RS. I guess that's a very VW/Audi way to do it - hit a certain power/character point with mapping or restrictions.I wonder if that's why I prefer the character of my GTS's 3.4 to the 3.8 in the GT4 - it doesn't feel quite as obviously strangled to me....
Twinfan said:
Which is a bit annoying, but totally understandable. They have to have something extra for the RS but it's a shame they've slightly castrated the GT3 rather than add something on top for the RS. I guess that's a very VW/Audi way to do it - hit a certain power/character point with mapping or restrictions.
Porsche have been doing this also - 3.4 in the 9x1 was shared between Boxster, Cayman and Carrera - different states of tune for the trim levels. Only hardware difference being the throttle body between 911 and 981. Exhaust path was negligible delta.Look at the 991.2 Carrera and Carrera S - 370hp to 420hp - just by a map and adjusting boost - and you can get that engine up to 500hp with a tune.
Return on investment!
TDT said:
Porsche have been doing this also - 3.4 in the 9x1 was shared between Boxster, Cayman and Carrera - different states of tune for the trim levels. Only hardware difference being the throttle body between 911 and 981. Exhaust path was negligible delta.
Look at the 991.2 Carrera and Carrera S - 370hp to 420hp - just by a map and adjusting boost - and you can get that engine up to 500hp with a tune.
Return on investment!
Oh sure, I know they've been doing it for a while. It's just annoying that most of the time you never quite get the full fat product!Look at the 991.2 Carrera and Carrera S - 370hp to 420hp - just by a map and adjusting boost - and you can get that engine up to 500hp with a tune.
Return on investment!
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