RE: Advanced driving: Putting Reg Local to the test

RE: Advanced driving: Putting Reg Local to the test

Thursday 3rd May 2018

Advanced driving: Putting Reg Local to the test

Even for an experienced driver, a day with Reg reveals a lot...



We're in a Golf R sprinting north on the B6479. It's one of those loping Yorkshire Dales roads that spears straight for decent stretches, then darts left or right, pops over crests and plummets into dips. It demands attention but delivers rewards. In today's bright sunshine, it's an inspiring place to be driving.

As we near a crest that the road sign says is followed by a left hander, a silver-haired head pops into view on the right verge. It belongs to a chap who's poking a camera over the dry-stone wall to photograph Ribblesdale as it stretches east, glowing golden brown in the sharp light.

Instantly, Reg Local, the front passenger, commands the driver: "More brakes please Georgia. There'll be a car stopped around the bend." Sharp-eyed Reg has spotted that the picture-taker is lightly dressed. The wind is icy and it's just three degrees out there. Reg's swift deduction is that, because the guy isn't wearing much, he's hopped out of a nearby car to take his snap. The verges are narrow so it's probably blocking the road.

And sure enough, as we ease over the crest into the left-hander, there it is: a silver Vauxhall Corsa, parked half across our lane. Georgia stops in plenty of time. The cameraman suddenly seems aware of the hazard he's created and turns to look at his car and us. Yes, mate!


Why Reg?

It's a prime example of the traps awaiting unobservant drivers that former police advanced driving instructor Reg is so good at highlighting. As PHers familiar with his posts well know, reading the road and its surrounding information properly is an essential part of his approach to better driving. Reg's insightful and witty books and videos are as good a guide to driving at a high level as any I've ever seen.

We're out with him today because my 30-year-old daughter Georgia has been itching to do an advanced driving course. She got her licence at 18 and down the years I've passed on tips, but we don't drive together often and most of her driving now is in town or on motorways. She wanted more technique; to be smoother, swifter, safer, more composed, relaxed and capable on open roads, in any car. I reckoned she couldn't do better than a day with Reg, who takes pupils for eight hours' instruction over the moors and through the dales north of his base near Bolton.


The ideal car

A Golf R would be an ideal car to take, I thought. Discreet, surefooted and flexible, while agile, responsive and fast, it's rewarding yet easy to drive - with refinement and comfort for a 400-mile day.

Matt Prior's comment in an Autocar review that "you could make an argument for the Golf R being the best car in the world" had stuck in my mind. To recap: its 2.0-litre turbo four produces 310hp between 5500-6500rpm, with 280lb ft from 2000-5400rpm, and puts it through electro-hydraulic four-wheel drive. It hits 60mph in 5.1 seconds and goes on to 155mph, all for around £33,500. This one ran a 6-speed manual 'box. Georgia hadn't driven a manual for a decade, so Reg spent a little time sorting out rev-matching in her down-shifts.


Seeking the limit (point)

What he taught her next, using a diagram sketched on his iPad, is perhaps the most important single thing about swift and safe road driving: limit point analysis. It sounds complex but isn't. The limit point (or vanishing point) is the furthest point you can see along the road.

"As you approach a corner, it's the point where the road's nearside and offside edges appear to meet," Reg explained. "That point will tell you very early on how tight the corner is, and whether you need to slow down or can accelerate through.

"It's not where the limit point is, it's what it's doing. First, as you approach the corner, it will be getting closer. Second, at some stage it will stop getting closer and stay at a constant distance. Third, it will then start to move away. That's where the corner is opening up, and you can push the accelerator harder and harder and keep the car balanced."

Layered on top of the limit point work, Reg urged Georgia to get her eyes "on to high beam" and look as far ahead as possible to absorb information: lamp or telephone poles suggesting where the road goes; signs showing whether S-bends go left or right; peering over hedges and walls; spotting the roof of a car coming down a side road; anticipating cyclists' moves; mud on the road from a tractor somewhere ahead. One of his handiest tips: the second corner of a right-then-left S-bend is usually tighter.


Cornering's four phases

Then, into the bends, using the four phases of the System of Car Control outlined in Roadcraft: The Police Driver's Handbook, he showed her how to:

1: Position the car to the near side into right-handers to increase her view, and, into left handers, to edge to the right - including using the offside on a clear road.
2: Adjust her speed using road features like a rise to slow down; or backing off, and braking if necessary. "The aim is to have everything sorted so that all you have left to do at the start of the corner is to turn wheel and the press the accelerator."
3: Select the right gear to use through the corner - "low enough for strong acceleration but high enough to get all the way around without running out of revs". In the extraordinarily elastic Golf R, third was perfect, with its vigorous response from 1500rpm (17mph) right through to 75mph at 6500.
4: And finally to accelerate - earlier than her previous inclination - to balance the car through the bends.

To bring it all together, Reg asked G to drive eight miles of the winding, undulating A682 without using the brakes. "It seemed hard initially but soon taught me how to anticipate and get my approach speed right," Georgia said. "I kept remembering Reg's golden rule: always be able to stop within the visible distance."


Through the day, over a couple of hundred miles of demanding roads, her driving - and previous unease about corners - was transformed. Reading the limit points set her up properly for each bend. She was never taken by surprise. The moment the limit points moved away, she got on the throttle assuredly, revelled in the Golf's pep and learned how good a car with this much grip feels when it hunkers down through a bend. She got into a rhythm of slow in, fast out and was able to enjoy the R's prowess with confidence. Using Reg's overtaking discipline - hang back, move to the offside for a good look, and then go - she nipped past dawdlers with new-found mastery.

Georgia learned invaluable technique in those eight hours; and so did I. Down the years, from the first advanced driving course I took at 23, through sessions with aces including Fangio, Stirling Moss, Jackie Stewart, Hannu Mikkola, Bob Wallace and many of the world's top test drivers, I've gleaned much from greats. Reg added a lot that was new. I firmly recommend giving a son, daughter, partner - or yourself - a day with him.

The Golf R, by the way, was ideal; everything it's cracked up to be.


Further reading...
Mel Nichols's book And The Revs Keep Rising - Great Drives in Fast Cars is now available as an e-book. A longer version of this story will be in the second volume, to be published next year.

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Discussion

Wills2

Original Poster:

22,785 posts

175 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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That's a great road and pretty challenging if taken at pace, scenery is superb as well.


Silverbullet767

10,700 posts

206 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Good article, I did my advanced driving when I was 21 many moons ago, taught me absolutley loads and I stopped believing I was invincible. I think I'm long overdue a refresher.

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Good article - a day like that is worth it for all drivers - and a lot of fun!
it is also of course the start of more learning / improvement, so a good excuse to repeat it many times - building on each one...
what could be better?
- good car
- good roads
- improving as a driver
- lots of fun!

ash reynolds

469 posts

191 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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An IAM course will teach you this, they're all like Reg.

Rick101

6,967 posts

150 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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ash reynolds said:
An IAM course will teach you this, they're all like Reg.
laugh Good one!


Hopefully get out with Reg at some point this year. Did a half day previously and has left me with a taste for more. Well worthwhile.


Glad to see he's still he still does cars, was concerned he'd dumped us for his new biker bessies
Who is Reg Local?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8DWu2lJs7Q

tongue out

Stefluc

274 posts

209 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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There is absolutely no way that you will get this type of training on your initial IAM course, you must be dreaming.😀

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Stefluc said:
There is absolutely no way that you will get this type of training on your initial IAM course, you must be dreaming.??
You won't, because:
- you don't do 8 hour sessions
- the IAM has observers, not coaches

however, as mentioned above:
- limit point analysis
- lifting your vision
- rev matching
- overtaking properly
- observation
- slow in - fast out
- etc. etc.

are all things I was taught 20+ years ago with the IAM

It is a pretty accepted viewpoint in the AD world that the IAM / RoSPA give the basic infrastructure in advanced driving - from which you can then progress - so yes, Reg Local and equivalents will take you further, but IAM / RoSPA are based on the same Roadcraft philosophy of driving and are a fantastic starting point - also at a much cheaper price point...

The good groups will also provide a community within which you can continue to progress in many different ways to suit each person

Rick101

6,967 posts

150 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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I don't know about that. IAM are not cheap.

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Rick101 said:
I don't know about that. IAM are not cheap.
https://www.iamroadsmart.com/courses/advanced-driver-course-
£149

you won't get much time from a coach for that...

Reg Local

2,678 posts

208 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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akirk said:
https://www.iamroadsmart.com/courses/advanced-driv...
£149

you won't get much time from a coach for that...
You might, depending on the coach...

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Reg Local said:
akirk said:
https://www.iamroadsmart.com/courses/advanced-driv...
£149

you won't get much time from a coach for that...
You might, depending on the coach...
then they are under-charging if they are any good biggrin

RSTurboPaul

10,327 posts

258 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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My main issue with the IAM at the moment is that, **as I understand it**, they seem to be veering towards increasing prescriptive training - in that rather than relying on an observer's life skills and knowledge, which may have a different 'flavour' to a proscribed list of training tickboxes and permit more 'flair' in driving (but still allow a trainee to reach the required IAM pass standard), they are now centrally dictating the syllabus.

I guess I can see the logic behind trying to give the IAM test a certain guaranteed standard across the board, in an attempt to make it more creditworthy in the eyes of others (rather than some local people teaching other local people with no guaranteed syllabus), but they seem to be creeping towards being more of a nodding 'Yes Man' than actively challenging Government to train people properly in the first place and stop relying on technology to save people from their own stupidity / ineptitude / ignorance.

[/minor rant]


I would much prefer to go with Reg or A.N.Other independent training company, who will tailor training exactly to the individual's needs.

WJNB

2,637 posts

161 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Great reading & all very lovely with open roads & minimum traffic.
Would enjoy Regs wisdom when doing the same in the always congested South & South East where there are NO open roads,ALWAYS something ahead & behind & every other road user is aggressive & impatient.

Reg Local

2,678 posts

208 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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akirk said:
then they are under-charging if they are any good biggrin
You make that sound like its a bad thing.

RSTurboPaul said:
My main issue with the IAM at the moment is that, **as I understand it**, they seem to be veering towards increasing prescriptive training - in that rather than relying on an observer's life skills and knowledge, which may have a different 'flavour' to a proscribed list of training tickboxes and permit more 'flair' in driving (but still allow a trainee to reach the required IAM pass standard), they are now centrally dictating the syllabus.

I guess I can see the logic behind trying to give the IAM test a certain guaranteed standard across the board, in an attempt to make it more creditworthy in the eyes of others (rather than some local people teaching other local people with no guaranteed syllabus), but they seem to be creeping towards being more of a nodding 'Yes Man' than actively challenging Government to train people properly in the first place and stop relying on technology to save people from their own stupidity / ineptitude / ignorance.

[/minor rant]


I would much prefer to go with Reg or A.N.Other independent training company, who will tailor training exactly to the individual's needs.
I don't agree with your observations about the IAM - in my view, if anything, they are becoming a little less prescriptive, especially in relation to the techniques, and much more outcome based. As a road safety charity they cannot endorse anything which falls outside legal parameters, but there are some genuine enthusiasts amongst the local groups and examiners.

WJNB said:
Great reading & all very lovely with open roads & minimum traffic.
Would enjoy Regs wisdom when doing the same in the always congested South & South East where there are NO open roads,ALWAYS something ahead & behind & every other road user is aggressive & impatient.
Nah, you're ok thanks! I'll stick with the North West.

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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RSTurboPaul said:
My main issue with the IAM at the moment is that, **as I understand it**, they seem to be veering towards increasing prescriptive training - in that rather than relying on an observer's life skills and knowledge, which may have a different 'flavour' to a proscribed list of training tickboxes and permit more 'flair' in driving (but still allow a trainee to reach the required IAM pass standard), they are now centrally dictating the syllabus.

I guess I can see the logic behind trying to give the IAM test a certain guaranteed standard across the board, in an attempt to make it more creditworthy in the eyes of others (rather than some local people teaching other local people with no guaranteed syllabus), but they seem to be creeping towards being more of a nodding 'Yes Man' than actively challenging Government to train people properly in the first place and stop relying on technology to save people from their own stupidity / ineptitude / ignorance.

[/minor rant]


I would much prefer to go with Reg or A.N.Other independent training company, who will tailor training exactly to the individual's needs.
I would say that is probably an accurate assessment, however, I can see why they are doing it...

I would see the L test rather like learning your basic musicianship
IAM and RoSPA are a structured approach which can take you on to higher music grades up to Grade 8... scales / exercises / studies
Reg Local and equivalents take you through music college and on to becoming a virtuoso performer / soloist...

Yes, you can use the top level coach to learn the very basics, but it is probably not the best approach, plus there aren't enough of them to go around... so my general advice is that IAM / RoSPA gives a great foundation, and then for those who want to push on further, using a coach like Reg Local or equivalent will help that progression...

It is also important to remember that a lot of the skills take time to master and that involves a lot of practice... An 8 hour session as described above and covering so many different skills is an awesome day, but it is likely that each of those skills needs days / weeks / months of practice to master... I recently spent 4 hours with a coach just looking at rev-matching / heel & toe after buying a new car, so getting some of the basics under your belt with an organisation such as the IAM / RoSPA before going further might be a good strategy...

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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article said:
The second corner of a right then left S bend is usually tighter
Surely it depends which way you're going? Or am I due a parrot?

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Reg Local said:
akirk said:
then they are under-charging if they are any good biggrin
You make that sound like its a bad thing.
It is for the coach wink

£150
8 hour day, and by the time you have added on the fluff each end, and perhaps time writing a report afterwards etc. you could be up to 10 hours

so £15 - £20 p/h which is not far above pay for a cleaner or equivalent job in some areas...
doesn't seem a lot for someone at the top of their field...

akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Dr Jekyll said:
article said:
The second corner of a right then left S bend is usually tighter
Surely it depends which way you're going? Or am I due a parrot?
right hand bend you are on the outside of the bend
followed by left hand bed where you are on the inside of the bend = tighter...

coming the other way, it would still be a right, followed by left-hand bend, so the same smile

Reg Local

2,678 posts

208 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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akirk said:
It is for the coach wink

£150
8 hour day, and by the time you have added on the fluff each end, and perhaps time writing a report afterwards etc. you could be up to 10 hours

so £15 - £20 p/h which is not far above pay for a cleaner or equivalent job in some areas...
doesn't seem a lot for someone at the top of their field...
No, it doesn't, however, said coach may be motivated by a number of factors other than profit:

It may be more of a hobby than a full-time job;
They may wish to contribute - in a small way - to helping enthusiasts stay safe on the roads & would not like price to be a factor which may put people off;
Lower prices would allow them to remain local & offer training on their own terms.

Just speculating of course, in relation to this hypothetical coach...


akirk

5,385 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Reg Local said:
akirk said:
It is for the coach wink

£150
8 hour day, and by the time you have added on the fluff each end, and perhaps time writing a report afterwards etc. you could be up to 10 hours

so £15 - £20 p/h which is not far above pay for a cleaner or equivalent job in some areas...
doesn't seem a lot for someone at the top of their field...
No, it doesn't, however, said coach may be motivated by a number of factors other than profit:

It may be more of a hobby than a full-time job;
They may wish to contribute - in a small way - to helping enthusiasts stay safe on the roads & would not like price to be a factor which may put people off;
Lower prices would allow them to remain local & offer training on their own terms.

Just speculating of course, in relation to this hypothetical coach...
biggrin
and all the coaches I have met have also been lovely people...
but I would still want them to get a fair pay for their work smile

of course a lot of people through IAM etc. give their time as observers free of charge, but here is a difference between those people and the professional coach...

when people are prepared to spend c. £1k a day at Palmer Motorsport, then spending even £3-400 for a day with a top end coach shouldn't be an issue...