Does anyone here own a 911 CSR from RPM?
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Slippydiff said:
Cheib said:
A couple of pics in this twitter link of a 997 GTS with RPM ducktail and said front lip spoiler.
No linky ??? 
https://twitter.com/rpmtechnik/status/679383584516...
I really like the 996/997CSR, but they do work out expensive, I think you could achieve the same results for less money via your preferred indi. Fag packet maths on the 996 CSR Evo with everything on put it firmly in to 996 GT3 Club Sport money, you'd never see your money back on one of those versus a GT3. But then I suppose you never do on modified cars speaking from first hand experience 
Fast Bug said:
I really like the 996/997CSR, but they do work out expensive, I think you could achieve the same results for less money via your preferred indi. Fag packet maths on the 996 CSR Evo with everything on put it firmly in to 996 GT3 Club Sport money, you'd never see your money back on one of those versus a GT3. But then I suppose you never do on modified cars speaking from first hand experience
I think this is the general problem, CSR seems lovely, but strictly from a cost (rather than heart) PoV, its diminishing returns.Nice wheels, duck tail, Bilstein PSS10s (or similar), replace worn suspension parts, poly bushing, sports exhaust and 200 cell cats is going to come in at less than £12k all fitted using fag packet maths and my experience of doing some of that. At that point, do you really need the engine work if the car is only going to do a few TDs per year?
BUT, if you're going to go the whole hog, engine work, clutch etc, there's prob not a lot to be saved by doing it yourself. And the convenience of giving it to RPM and coming back to a done car rather than having to cart it to different places for different things is a bonus.
Mario149 said:
I think this is the general problem, CSR seems lovely, but strictly from a cost (rather than heart) PoV, its diminishing returns.
Nice wheels, duck tail, Bilstein PSS10s (or similar), replace worn suspension parts, poly bushing, sports exhaust and 200 cell cats is going to come in at less than £12k all fitted using fag packet maths and my experience of doing some of that. At that point, do you really need the engine work if the car is only going to do a few TDs per year?
BUT, if you're going to go the whole hog, engine work, clutch etc, there's prob not a lot to be saved by doing it yourself. And the convenience of giving it to RPM and coming back to a done car rather than having to cart it to different places for different things is a bonus.
RPM price use the top end £5k dampers and lift, you don't have to tick the expensive bits or CSR logos dials etc.Nice wheels, duck tail, Bilstein PSS10s (or similar), replace worn suspension parts, poly bushing, sports exhaust and 200 cell cats is going to come in at less than £12k all fitted using fag packet maths and my experience of doing some of that. At that point, do you really need the engine work if the car is only going to do a few TDs per year?
BUT, if you're going to go the whole hog, engine work, clutch etc, there's prob not a lot to be saved by doing it yourself. And the convenience of giving it to RPM and coming back to a done car rather than having to cart it to different places for different things is a bonus.
my build came to £20k + donor, with good 3 way passives, fuchs, duck tail, exhaust, LW fly and clutch etc etc. so on a 997.2 C2S you get a very sorted £70k car
no point looking at GT3 for me as I would want to spend the same on a GT3, shocks, short final drive and LW fly etc. which would be £10k on £80k car plus a mini refresh if it were a 997.1 GT3 !!! that's another 5k.
I think if you don't go mad on the CSR for £70k you end up with some thing very appealing and adjustable and new ish, and then if you love the car you can spend £9k on the x51 engine kit ;-) a few years later if a keeper.
Don't see the point doing a non S as non S prices for a donor only save you £5k odd and you get far less BHP and s
tty little brakes + every thing else you miss on the non S which the S has.S def the sweet spot imo. CSR it for £20k and then x51 it later down the line if you wish. that's still cheaper than a 2nd hand GT4 and a high reving Engine which makes power not loses it !
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 14th September 17:23
Mario149 said:
Fast Bug said:
I really like the 996/997CSR, but they do work out expensive, I think you could achieve the same results for less money via your preferred indi. Fag packet maths on the 996 CSR Evo with everything on put it firmly in to 996 GT3 Club Sport money, you'd never see your money back on one of those versus a GT3. But then I suppose you never do on modified cars speaking from first hand experience
I think this is the general problem, CSR seems lovely, but strictly from a cost (rather than heart) PoV, its diminishing returns.Nice wheels, duck tail, Bilstein PSS10s (or similar), replace worn suspension parts, poly bushing, sports exhaust and 200 cell cats is going to come in at less than £12k all fitted using fag packet maths and my experience of doing some of that. At that point, do you really need the engine work if the car is only going to do a few TDs per year?
BUT, if you're going to go the whole hog, engine work, clutch etc, there's prob not a lot to be saved by doing it yourself. And the convenience of giving it to RPM and coming back to a done car rather than having to cart it to different places for different things is a bonus.
The front and rear bumper conversion for starters. Likewise the wheels. No real point paying £4K IIRC (I haven’t got the magazine in front of me) for OZ’s when you could buy a secondhand set of genuine GT3 wheels for half the cost.
No doubt the exhaust is lightweight and great sounding, but I’d be amazed if you couldn’t buy something cheaper off the shelf, or modify a 997 item waaaaay cheaper.
Though whether or not RPM would let you cherry pick the bits you want, is a moot point.
lemmingjames said:
evodarren said:
Love to convert my 997 GT3 into a resto mod to look like and old 911. Maybe with a duck tail spoiler. Totally devalue it though
Just do everything so its reversible then. Ive put the duck on my gt3 and would take about 30 minutes to swap it back over Cheib said:
The contrasting shark fins seem to divide opinion, I can’t say I’m a massive fan. Looks excellent otherwise. Is that the 997.2 aerokit front bumper ?
anonymous said:
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I would say a CSR car would not be for you, it's more about the sus set up and Tim Harvey setting the car for track etc, with 3 way shocks and LTD slip diff etc, pretty pointless for a 100% road car and some one saying they don’t care about track performance. As for £35k non S models ! No such thing like for like nice 2010 sub 30k mile examples, I find the gap very close, nothing like the £15k you state. Only 5 for sale and the OPC car is the same as the OPC S I am looking at price wise at £50k , the only other one I can see which is nice is £46k.
I think you should buy a £35k one and put a GT3 mc in it lol.
Slippydiff said:
Likewise the wheels. No real point paying £4K IIRC (I haven’t got the magazine in front of me) for OZ’s when you could buy a secondhand set of genuine GT3 wheels for half the cost.
The wheels are 18" Alleggeritas - very light compared to the OEM wheels (even the rears are under 10Kg). Also, they cost well under £2K delivered so really not a good plan not to use them when they make such a positive difference to steering feel.I sold my OEM wheels years ago, but have 3 sets of the Alleggeritas. Extensive tracking on slicks caused the rears spokes to develop cracks on one set but that's my only negative experience with them. The 19" Ultraleggera is a much stronger design & is also very light.
nxi20 said:
The wheels are 18" Alleggeritas - very light compared to the OEM wheels (even the rears are under 10Kg). Also, they cost well under £2K delivered so really not a good plan not to use them when they make such a positive difference to steering feel.
I sold my OEM wheels years ago, but have 3 sets of the Alleggeritas. Extensive tracking on slicks caused the rears spokes to develop cracks on one set but that's my only negative experience with them. The 19" Ultraleggera is a much stronger design & is also very light.
Well it’s only a minor negative I guess ... I sold my OEM wheels years ago, but have 3 sets of the Alleggeritas. Extensive tracking on slicks caused the rears spokes to develop cracks on one set but that's my only negative experience with them. The 19" Ultraleggera is a much stronger design & is also very light.
You’lI note I said “IIRC” as a caveat, this purely because I didn’t have the feature in front of me at the time ....
anonymous said:
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I don’t care what you own or want to read about it, I said show me a link of a car , you can buy a higer miles S for less also, ashgoods have an S low miles for £45k or you can also buy an S for the same £35k.Like for like the gap from non S to S is nothing like the 15k you state don’t change the subject.
Pretty much perfect base car I’d say :
https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-...
Not sure why there’s such a fixation on using a ‘10 plate car ? And as J says, there’s at least 50k miles worth of reliable service in a car/engine such as this ^
But if you’re genuinely fixated on a low mileage example as a base car, you’d buy the Guards
red example they have. Simples really.
https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-...
Not sure why there’s such a fixation on using a ‘10 plate car ? And as J says, there’s at least 50k miles worth of reliable service in a car/engine such as this ^
But if you’re genuinely fixated on a low mileage example as a base car, you’d buy the Guards
red example they have. Simples really.
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 15th September 10:21
I’d think it’s a sliding scale, no? Based on how much of the car you are going to replace.
For e.g. if you are going to rebuild the engine (and potentially gearbox), swap all suspension and so forth and apply all the aesthetic tweaks then “uncrashed and cheap” is what you are after.
The less you intend on doing the more the condition of the car (and extrapolated longevity or parts) starts to matter.
I’d buy the cheapest 996 C4 I could find and would pull the front diff as part of the program.
For e.g. if you are going to rebuild the engine (and potentially gearbox), swap all suspension and so forth and apply all the aesthetic tweaks then “uncrashed and cheap” is what you are after.
The less you intend on doing the more the condition of the car (and extrapolated longevity or parts) starts to matter.
I’d buy the cheapest 996 C4 I could find and would pull the front diff as part of the program.
alfapork said:
Lovely car that CSR-002. Do you mind me asking what make/model the wheels are? And sizes?
The wheels on my CSR-002 are the HRE P101 forged monoblock. 19”. painted in gold.https://www.hrewheels.com/wheels/series-p1/p101
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