GT3 gen2 or GT3RS gen1

[av185]

GT4RS said:

The rs is such a beautiful looking car inside and out, without sounding rude to others its far more exciting to look at.

Great package that the RS undoubtedly is, many find it ott especially looks wise for road use at least.

The GT3 is seen by many as the sweet spot on many levels.

[TDT]

av185 said:

Great package that the RS undoubtedly is, many find it ott especially looks wise for road use at least.

The GT3 is seen by many as the sweet spot on many levels.

OP initial post explicitly said ‘driving to track days and ragging’.

[993rsr]

jackg said:

Seem about the same price now. What’s best? Will be used for driving to track days and ragging!
Ta
Jx

991RS.1, a decent geo and adjust the sway bars and will be as quick as a stock setting 991RS.2

[993rsr]

[quote=Porsche911R]

any car with some good 3 ways passive race shocks, bigger wings, lighter wheels would net the same gains I guess.


what's the Manthey set up cost on the RS ? £40k at least.


better off with the 991.2 RS over paying £180k on the .1 RS and £40k mods you will never see back or have a warranty on imo.

I also would rather buy a Performante at less than list than a RS at overs also, far better value for money for me

A 991.1RS with a decent geo would be as fast as a factory 991.2RS on factory geo settings in most cases and the spend would be less than a £1000.

[throt]

GT4RS said:

av185 said:

OP asking about the gen 1 991 RS.

Great car although like the gen 1 GT3 doubts still exist on the durability of the engine.

Gen 2 GT3 better for road use, better engine and more involving 'manuel' option too.

Rubbish the 991 gt3 rs is not effected like the 991 gt3

The RS.1 did have engine issues with its G spec engine..Fewer than the E and F engine but still some did show problems.

[MDL111]

993rsr said:

Porsche911R said:

any car with some good 3 ways passive race shocks, bigger wings, lighter wheels would net the same gains I guess.


what's the Manthey set up cost on the RS ? £40k at least.


better off with the 991.2 RS over paying £180k on the .1 RS and £40k mods you will never see back or have a warranty on imo.

I also would rather buy a Performante at less than list than a RS at overs also, far better value for money for me

A 991.1RS with a decent geo would be as fast as a factory 991.2RS on factory geo settings in most cases and the spend would be less than a £1000.

With regards to going to track days and ragging it the Performante might be too loud for many - was at a day where I managed to stay on in the Scuderia and the Performante was kicked off pretty much immediately

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

A 991.1RS with a decent geo would be as fast as a factory 991.2RS on factory geo settings in most cases and the spend would be less than a £1000.

the cars not fining the extra from a geo only !

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

the cars not fining the extra from a geo only !

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

[Taffy66]

993rsr said:

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

This makes perfect sense to me, or alternatively wait a few months for the gen 2 RS priced to drop to £200K..

[993rsr]

Taffy66 said:

993rsr said:

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

This makes perfect sense to me, or alternatively wait a few months for the gen 2 RS priced to drop to £200K..

Be interesting to see what the resultant impact on the Gen 1 this will have.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

I would say any track tested Porsche on Porsche plates given to people to test already has a geo on it for these times laps.


So a geo on a 991.1 tested car over a 991.2 car will gain you nothing imo.

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

I would say any track tested Porsche on Porsche plates given to people to test already has a geo on it for these times laps.


So a geo on a 991.1 tested car over a 991.2 car will gain you nothing imo.

A proper corner weighted set up on a 991.1 over a STOCK from the factory 991.2 will give you a substantial advantage, that was the point I was making.

[GT4RS]

993rsr said:

Taffy66 said:

993rsr said:

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

This makes perfect sense to me, or alternatively wait a few months for the gen 2 RS priced to drop to £200K..

Be interesting to see what the resultant impact on the Gen 1 this will have.

It’s already happening, gen 1 cars are drifting downwards. The number of people who will buy a used 991.1 rs in the UK is relatively small, but hopefully with a price correction it will allow the one or two who are waiting on the sides lines to jump in and enjoy driving these so called investments.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Stock set up from the factory and a well set up and corner weighted gen 1 and the gap would be much closed. My point that was by expending £1000 you could get close to the newer car without spending the £60k delta.

I would say any track tested Porsche on Porsche plates given to people to test already has a geo on it for these times laps.


So a geo on a 991.1 tested car over a 991.2 car will gain you nothing imo.

A proper corner weighted set up on a 991.1 over a STOCK from the factory 991.2 will give you a substantial advantage, that was the point I was making.

which is a poinltless comment to make imo as any one who does a geo on a 991.1 RS is going to do it on a 991.2 RS so the gap stays the same, no one tracks a stock geo car it's st.

[Phooey]

jackg said:

Seem about the same price now. What’s best? Will be used for driving to track days and ragging!
Ta
Jx

Driven or been in them all and the .1RS feels more track focussed being a bit stiffer / wider and about as raw as your going get in a modern 911. Looks and sounds the part too.

.2 GT3 nicer to drive on the road. Bit easier to live with.

I'd go RS.. simply because it's an RS, and at £170k - better vfm

End thread.

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

which is a poinltless comment to make imo as any one who does a geo on a 991.1 RS is going to do it on a 991.2 RS so the gap stays the same, no one tracks a stock geo car it's st.

It's tricky to have a balanced discussion with comments like 'no one tracks a stock geo car it's st'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use.

And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

It's tricky to have a balanced discussion with comments like 'no one tracks a stock geo car it's st'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use.

And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.

So the very same people who would change a geo for real track work would do it on both, hence the same gap on lap times ! it's pretty simple concept to grasp.

It's a daft argument to make imo is all I am saying. quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft.

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

It's tricky to have a balanced discussion with comments like 'no one tracks a stock geo car it's st'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use.

And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.

So the very same people who would change a geo for real track work would do it on both, hence the same gap on lap times ! it's pretty simple concept to grasp.

It's a daft argument to make imo is all I am saying. quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft.

But it's not daft - well only in your opinion.

A well set up car with the broad scope that Porsche have built into the chassis for camber, caster, ride height, sway bar adjustment will be faster than one from the factory that's the point I'm making.

And a 991.1 with the above applied will be much closer in performance to a stock 991.2 - that cannot be disputed.

Replying that 'no one tracks a stock geo it's st', 'quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft' and ' it's a pretty simple concept to grasp' doesn't really show you've applied any thought in trying to make the point you are right and I'm wrong.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

But it's not daft - well only in your opinion.

A well set up car with the broad scope that Porsche have built into the chassis for camber, caster, ride height, sway bar adjustment will be faster than one from the factory that's the point I'm making.

And a 991.1 with the above applied will be much closer in performance to a stock 991.2 - that cannot be disputed.

Replying that 'no one tracks a stock geo it's st', 'quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft' and ' it's a pretty simple concept to grasp' doesn't really show you've applied any thought in trying to make the point you are right and I'm wrong.

It pretty much is as daft as you can get imo !!

But yes you are right if to only shut you up :-) to state a modded car is faster than a stock one !

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

But it's not daft - well only in your opinion.

A well set up car with the broad scope that Porsche have built into the chassis for camber, caster, ride height, sway bar adjustment will be faster than one from the factory that's the point I'm making.

And a 991.1 with the above applied will be much closer in performance to a stock 991.2 - that cannot be disputed.

Replying that 'no one tracks a stock geo it's st', 'quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft' and ' it's a pretty simple concept to grasp' doesn't really show you've applied any thought in trying to make the point you are right and I'm wrong.

It pretty much is as daft as you can get imo !!

But yes you are right if to only shut you up :-) to state a modded car is faster than a stock one !

It's a discussion/debate you sound like a spoiled kid with replies like that. There's no winner, no right no wrong, just a debate between enthusiasts of the brand, it's not life and death.

Sadly, the forum is a very different place these days.