So let the 997.1 gt3 search begin...

So let the 997.1 gt3 search begin...

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Cunno

511 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Digga said:
This.

My day job (no I don't get paid to post here) is in engineering. We MIG weld anything up to 5 tonne fabrications, in gauges from 3mm up to 60mm Hardox 450 steel, as well as the odd bit of thinner gauge TIG work and even aluminium. I personally would not weld fittings, but on the other hand, I do know very reputable firms (IIRC including Fearnsport and) that recommend this route.

My aversion two it is for a number of reasons:
  • It's difficult to see how 'good' welds are all the way around.
  • I have seen, first hand (on eyewateringly expensive mining equipment) how welding dissimilar metals can go wrong.
  • It is not reversible if you damage/bend a fitting that's been welded in situ, for example.
  • I have OCD.
Lots of people do have this done though and it does seem to work.
Total agree there are risks to welding, but it's the only way to stop them failing. If you pin the glue can still break down and leak, just does dump it all over the rears.


Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Cunno said:
Total agree there are risks to welding, but it's the only way to stop them failing. If you pin the glue can still break down and leak, just does dump it all over the rears.
Yes, you're absolutely right, it can leak, but it can't blow out. No as 100% as welding, but a very close second and the route advocated by a few places like Sharkwerks in the USA. Slightly cheaper than welding too.

Your car's done far more track time than mine, so your experience has to count for more anyway!

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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D.no said:
So. Of those of you that own Mezger engined cars, who's had the pipes welded/pinned?

WOT and heat build-up is not solely limited to track days (but I get the point) and the ramifications of such a failure on the road could be immeasurably worse. Taking a pro-active approach to this issue seems a no-brainer to me, unless there are any drawbacks associated with the remedial procedures (notwithstanding cost, of course).

For prospective purchasers, Is it relatively easy to spot whether the work has been done?
I’ve had 9, not one of them welded or pinned ....

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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This is the man for ali welding,does all the group c intercoolers and other parts,not expensive but good.Knows porsche well,just made intercoolers for a gt1.
https://www.conceptracing.co.uk/
I have never had any of mine welded,dont think the factory do with the race cars,will check this later.

Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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I've had GT3's continually since 2002 and done over 400 races and trackdays in them.

Never had a problem.

Actually not true. A fuel pump failed during a race at Snetterton and I blew a clutch on a missed downshift at Castle coombe - Motec recorded 11000 RPM and the engine went for another 50 hours before it was rebuilt.

If you are in the UK, I wouldnt worry too much about hoses, but as said earlier it makes sense to have them welded thr next time the engine is out

braddo

10,399 posts

187 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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D.no said:
So. Of those of you that own Mezger engined cars, who's had the pipes welded/pinned?
I haven't had them done but a pipe did go on the road in my car and it had done maybe 1 track day in its life at the time. A warning light and sound came on within a second of the pipe bursting so one can react quickly to the event (not saying that prevents a potentially big issue though with coolant on tyres and/or following vehicles).

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Steve Rance said:
next time the engine is out
That old chestnut. hehe

And the clutch at the same time, and the mounts, and...

D.no

706 posts

211 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Slippydiff said:
I’ve had 9,
Holy mother of god!

Do you eat them or something?

Made my day.
Thanks

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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D.no said:
Slippydiff said:
I’ve had 9,
Holy mother of god!

Do you eat them or something?

Made my day.
Thanks
See my post here for further details :

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

smile

Dblue

3,252 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Had 3 (Now 4) 997 GT3s and 3 996s and in 90k miles in total in them all and 2 had the hoses go.
The 997 RS Unfortunately losing it on the entry slip of the A28 leaving Le Mans - pain in the arse frankly, nearest Porsche dealer is Orleans 140 kms away.
My first 996 GT3 had coolant leaking indicating an imminent failure and Porsche Hatfield honoured the warranty a month after it ran out ,

RC1

Original Poster:

4,096 posts

218 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Now im getting really scared or paranoid about this stuff!

evodarren

428 posts

133 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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RC1 said:
Now im getting really scared or paranoid about this stuff!
No need to be scared.
Just find the best one you can buy for your budget. Put a Porsche warranty on it and go out and enjoy it.
Life really is to short. Sell it in a year, but at least you would have had that experience and memory.

Not to many gen 1,s for sale on pistonheads at the moment.
Could always make a nice offer on mine to temp me out of ownership lol


Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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RC1 said:
Now im getting really scared or paranoid about this stuff!
Don't be. You just need to be mindful of it; a Porsche warranty or, buying from a reputable independent dealer and/or a decent PPI will be sufficient. You can also check the service history yourself; given their age now, any 997.1 GT3 should have some bills to prove the critical coolant hoses have at least been checked and re-glued.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Digga said:
Don't be. You just need to be mindful of it; a Porsche warranty or, buying from a reputable independent dealer and/or a decent PPI will be sufficient. You can also check the service history yourself; given their age now, any 997.1 GT3 should have some bills to prove the critical coolant hoses have at least been checked and re-glued.
can you add warranty on 997.1 cars still ? I know they increased the time scales, but I cannot be arsed to look and every one loves to post a real fact. but they must be close to not being able to warranty them and most are modded so hard to pass a OPC ppi.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Porsche911R said:
Digga said:
Don't be. You just need to be mindful of it; a Porsche warranty or, buying from a reputable independent dealer and/or a decent PPI will be sufficient. You can also check the service history yourself; given their age now, any 997.1 GT3 should have some bills to prove the critical coolant hoses have at least been checked and re-glued.
can you add warranty on 997.1 cars still ? I know they increased the time scales, but I cannot be arsed to look and every one loves to post a real fact. but they must be close to not being able to warranty them and most are modded so hard to pass a OPC ppi.
Yes, you can still:

Porsche Approved Warranty said:
Unless purchased during the first 12 months of the Porsche New Car Guarantee, a Porsche Approved Warranty can only be purchased subject to your vehicle satisfying a 111 point check at a Porsche Centre (charge applies). The Porsche Approved Warranty can be purchased with a term of either one or two years. To be eligible to purchase a policy your vehicle must have less than 125,000 miles and be under 14 years old for a 1 year insurance policy or 13 years old for a 2 year insurance policy.
https://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/owningyourporsche/porschewarrantyperiods/

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Digga said:
wow14, I knew it was 10, then 12, 14 is impressive it must be a money maker to increase it to that.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Porsche911R said:
Digga said:
wow14, I knew it was 10, then 12, 14 is impressive it must be a money maker to increase it to that.
biglaugh

RC1

Original Poster:

4,096 posts

218 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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evodarren said:
No need to be scared.
Just find the best one you can buy for your budget. Put a Porsche warranty on it and go out and enjoy it.
Life really is to short. Sell it in a year, but at least you would have had that experience and memory.

Not to many gen 1,s for sale on pistonheads at the moment.
Could always make a nice offer on mine to temp me out of ownership lol
You're right and its a scratch that deserves to be itched. theres nothing out there that grabs my attention but its a crap time to sell. i thought you wanted something a bit newer what about the px route?

evodarren

428 posts

133 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Digga said:
Porsche911R said:
Digga said:
wow14, I knew it was 10, then 12, 14 is impressive it must be a money maker to increase it to that.
biglaugh
Yes I believe it was to also allow the OPC to sell the 997.1 gt3 through there network, as everything gets sold with a 2 year warranty

evodarren

428 posts

133 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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RC1 said:
evodarren said:
No need to be scared.
Just find the best one you can buy for your budget. Put a Porsche warranty on it and go out and enjoy it.
Life really is to short. Sell it in a year, but at least you would have had that experience and memory.

Not to many gen 1,s for sale on pistonheads at the moment.
Could always make a nice offer on mine to temp me out of ownership lol
You're right and its a scratch that deserves to be itched. theres nothing out there that grabs my attention but its a crap time to sell. i thought you wanted something a bit newer what about the px route?
991.1GT3 does not appeal to me at the moment. I have loved my 997 from the beginning. The feeling and interaction is on another level. When im just cruising or touring I don't need 50 milisecond gear changes


Edited by evodarren on Thursday 8th November 15:38