Porsche 911 GT3 v McLaren 570S Track Pack - DEADLY RIVALS

[Slippydiff]

Porsche911R said:

you seem to fail to grasp what fun is and what better means !!

Unbelievable. The irony is almost too painful to witness.

Porsche911R said:

As for the Porsche thing, when I went they could not give a st about the brand

Really ? One of the most revered names in motorsport which has produced some of the finest drivers and racing cars built, and the young pretender has no designs on them whatsoever ? I'm guessing you heard what you wanted to hear, rather than what was actually said....

Porsche911R said:

It was all Ferrari this Ferrari that etc.

But.... if what you said about McLaren and Porsche is true, why do YOU think they're so obsessed with Ferrari ??

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

you seem to fail to grasp what fun is and what better means !! , it don't need F1 hydraulic suspension and more automation, tech etc etc . it's needs to have driver involvement and only the Sports series offers that, but still imo not good enough over other brands.

You keep letting yourself down matey,i have been around these cars for a very longtime and have lived with improvements from porsche,my best road car at the moment is the maca as its not a track car,my fastest track car at the moment is a 997rsr,but my best track car for fun is also a porsche ,so i know what is fun and what is better.
I hope the 600LT offers more for the driver. Me to but you cant have one with out overs

I did like the 570S steering as it happens but that was about it.

I avoided the 991.1 GT3 as that was not a fun car imo. SO I DON'T BUY THE LATEST as that means more tech, they went backward in tech with the manual GT3 and it's a better drivers car for it.

I have ran R's for 5 years and for fun run about at weekends in a 2010 Boxster !!!!

if you are going to try and win at forums arguments, you better learn some facts about what cars I own and buy :-)
win at what,there is no argument, for my competition kicks its a bit more than armchair nonsense and simulators.

As for the Porsche thing, when I went they could not give a st about the brand, it was all Ferrari this Ferrari that etc.
They cannot compete with Porsche across the board as Porsche make more SUV than anything else and Macca will never make those one hopes and they said they will never make a 4 seater.

Why ever bring a suv into it,to justify your point! I can assure you they buy porsches and completely strip them down,as did aston martin with the cgt,there is a uk cgt floating about that was a complete mechano kit at one stage,then reassembled and sold on.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 8th November 10:54

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

Yellow491]orsche911R said:

why will it be any of that ? It's the 1st time they have made a track/road car in the sports line up, so not sure why you are getting all excited and posting daft stuff.
If its daft stuff thats only because i am repeatung what you have said in the past.

Lets hope they realise what fun is in this new model. To quote them, "our new Sports car benchmark", To create the most thrilling and exhilarating road-legal model. etc etc

Thats why you keep buying the latest because you believe all the sales Bs.

To be better than the LT daddy,it will require the f1 hydraulic suspension that was so efficient it got banned in F1.
A director in charge of the build i know well,he is a out and out porsche nut and has driven/race a lot of porsches ,they have one goal insight,being better than porsche across the board.They still have a gt3 and turbo to take apart regularly,and dont kid them selves its a steep hill to climb! With such skinny tyres and boring drive experience

you seem to fail to grasp what fun is and what better means !! , it don't need F1 hydraulic suspension and more automation, tech etc etc . it's needs to have driver involvement and only the Sports series offers that, but still imo not good enough over other brands.

I hope the 600LT offers more for the driver.

I did like the 570S steering as it happens but that was about it.

I avoided the 991.1 GT3 as that was not a fun car imo. SO I DON'T BUY THE LATEST as that means more tech, they went backward in tech with the manual GT3 and it's a better drivers car for it.

I have ran R's for 5 years and for fun run about at weekends in a 2010 Boxster !!!!

if you are going to try and win at forums arguments, you better learn some facts about what cars I own and buy :-)

As for the Porsche thing, when I went they could not give a st about the brand, it was all Ferrari this Ferrari that etc.
They cannot compete with Porsche across the board as Porsche make more SUV than anything else and Macca will never make those one hopes and they said they will never make a 4 seater.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 8th November 10:54

I have no idea what pleasure you get from perpetually trotting out the same self opinionated tripe and constantly getting pleasure from rubbing everyone up the wrong way and cause friction under your various aliases. You seem to have no concept that your opinions are those of you and nobody else.

Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 8th November 14:23

[isaldiri]

Slippydiff said:

The irony is almost too painful to witness.

Really ? One of the most revered names in motorsport which has produced some of the finest drivers and racing cars built, and the young pretender has no designs on them whatsoever ? I'm guessing you heard what you wanted to hear, rather than what was actually said....

It's not almost painful, it is painful to witness.

I've been directly or indirectly known a few of the drivers and engineers involved with McLaren for a long time back in the 12c days. A good few of them I agree like to snicker at Ferrari and especially the laptime games they play but the idea they have could not give a damn about Porsche is just so stupid I don't know where to start. Fact - they have had at least one 991 gt3 (which they thought was a bloody good car in 2013 or they did before the engine recall!) and rs that they've taken apart and the whole point of the 570 was to target 911 turbo buyers.

McLaren aren't perfect by any means and imo have plenty of issues but the misrepresentation of them per above is so nonsensical it's laughable.

[Slippydiff]

isaldiri said:

It's not almost painful, it is painful to witness.

I've been directly or indirectly known a few of the drivers and engineers involved with McLaren for a long time back in the 12c days. A good few of them I agree like to snicker at Ferrari and especially the laptime games they play but the idea they have could not give a damn about Porsche is just so stupid I don't know where to start. Fact - they have had at least one 991 gt3 (which they thought was a bloody good car in 2013 or they did before the engine recall!) and rs that they've taken apart and the whole point of the 570 was to target 911 turbo buyers.

McLaren aren't perfect by any means and imo have plenty of issues but the misrepresentation of them per above is so nonsensical it's laughable pretty much what we've come to expect from the PH Porsche forum village idiot.

Fixed that for you

[IMI A]

Porsche911R said:

isaldiri said:

Ok so do you still think they are slow in corners and can't produce a good laptime then?

The ring is the bench mark in times and normally the most BHP wins there, the brands always seem to fail to back up the on paper stats yes.

The big 4 and even Nissan lap faster than McLaren £ for £

As I have said many a time, it is what it is, that's todays benchmark and McLaren cannot get cars to lap there.

their best effort is from the 720S due to the crazy straight line speeds it has but still 19th !

They pulled the P1 time as it was not really on par with the other brands.

No one said the cars slow, it's just 5th out of 5 in it's sector.

There is one positive here. At least you’re not going on the Macca forum and annoying members! 5th out of 5 lmao

Maccas do “look” under tyred especially Macca 540/570

[hunter 66]

Lambo Boys have a bit to say about us Porsche types .......haha

[av185]

This Spider looks good value received from Mc Manchester today. Even despite the mileage

[luigisayshello]

Porsche911R said:

I said that's 2 seconds faster than a P1 fastest ever recoded lap, so I would have to see a Vbox of a 2.36 lap because without back it up it didn't happen, that's todays issue with fake news, one has to back up claims these days.

If I said I did a 2.14 at Silverstone in my GT3 you would be the 1st to ask for the data.

If you fail to grasp the other 4 big manufacturers have less BHP more weight and do faster times, something is not quite spot on with Macca's when they have class leading BHP/ton on paper stats and always have the fastest 0-200kph times, which leads me to think they must corner slower than the other 4 big players in this segment as they are faster every where else.

I had a car for a day, it was dull once you got over the speed thing IMO, I was then invited to the Factory and had a good few chats to the top people there, they are obsessed with Ferrari on paper stats hence their cars come after Ferrari ,as they wait to see what times on paper a Ferrari does then make sure they have a faster car.

It's a very nice lifestyle Product, they will never make a 4 seater or SUV and will only make 5k cars PA, so as a Lifestyle brand it's a nice thing to turn up in and also you know in a straight line nothing comes past you.

The 600LT is the 1st attempt at a track sports series car for the road, I wish it well, I like the brand and the way NO SUV or 4 seaters will happen.
I would love to buy a 570S as they are amazing value, but the car is not for me, I wish it were.

So I do look forward to the 600LT knocking some of the big 4 off the top spots if it's that good.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 8th November 10:51

The 675lt does 2:36 quite 'easily', it's the 2:42 of 991 gt3 rs. Plenty of video laps that allow anyone to see the times.
I don't really like Mclaren, and they are not really well put together to last a tranquil life at the track but they are very fast. How couldn't they be?
Proper suspension, light, rigid, great brakes, good gearbox, twin turbo v8 with a great broad range of power, always put more power than announced, they are ought to be fast.

[luigisayshello]

Taffy66 said:

I must say both Ferrari and McLaren are on a roll these days..After reading EVO's test on the 600LT where the tester states its the world's best handling car, it makes you wonder how much further Porsche can develop the rear engined platform before it has to succumb to mid engine..
I need to go out to rob a bank.......can anyone recommend a good getaway car..?

They are so good you never see them at the track plus how much slower was the gt3 rs vs the 600lt? 520 vs +600 when it's all said and done, it will more of the same, odd new mclaren showing up while they are on warranty and then puff, they gone like they never existed and the GT cars will still be there challenging the 100 hours of engine life.

[Taffy66]

luigisayshello said:

They are so good you never see them at the track plus how much slower was the gt3 rs vs the 600lt? 520 vs +600 when it's all said and done, it will more of the same, odd new mclaren showing up while they are on warranty and then puff, they gone like they never existed and the GT cars will still be there challenging the 100 hours of engine life.

So are you advising me to use a GT3 RS as my getaway car, just in case the Fezza/Macca develops a flat battery outside the bank.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

You seem to have no concept that your opinions are those of you and nobody else.

Are every ones own opinion just that, their own opinions, you do post odd st. Macca'a are pretty dull that's my opinion, you will have to accept it, even if it annoys the st out of you ;-p, now they have too many cars and not enough dealers and they still fall apart !

I wish people would accept not many people like Macca's who like driving, it is a lifestyle brand atm, the 600LT is said to out corner the 675LT that's from the horse mouth, so I stick to my OPINION the 675LT has issues in the bends to show such poor lap times vs the other 4 big brands when on paper it's looks so bloody fast.

Any way this forum is not as bad as the st going on the Ferrari and Macca Forums about the Autocar test lol and how upset very one gets on one make forums lol

RS had shot tyres it seems hence the slow time. 600lt only matched a standard GT3 time , so even though it corners better than a 675LT it's yet again not giving a time the on paper stats show. 436bhp/ton vs the GT3 342 bhp/ton but it did the same time ! that's pretty poor.

In fact if you put a bogo GT3 on Trofeo's it would have been faster !

all we can gain from all this is the Ferrari 488 Pista is top of the tree atm. Macca's will never lap like the stats due to tyre size and Porkers punch way above the price and BHP.

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

You seem to have no concept that your opinions are those of you and nobody else.

Are every ones own opinion just that, their own opinions, you do post odd st. Macca'a are pretty dull that's my opinion, you will have to accept it, even if it annoys the st out of you ;-p, now they have too many cars and not enough dealers and they still fall apart !

I wish people would accept not many people like Macca's who like driving, it is a lifestyle brand atm, the 600LT is said to out corner the 675LT that's from the horse mouth, so I stick to my OPINION the 675LT has issues in the bends to show such poor lap times vs the other 4 big brands when on paper it's looks so bloody fast.

Any way this forum is not as bad as the st going on the Ferrari and Macca Forums about the Autocar test lol and how upset very one gets on one make forums lol

RS had shot tyres it seems hence the slow time. 600lt only matched a standard GT3 time , so even though it corners better than a 675LT it's yet again not giving a time the on paper stats show. 436bhp/ton vs the GT3 342 bhp/ton but it did the same time ! that's pretty poor.

In fact if you put a bogo GT3 on Trofeo's it would have been faster !

all we can gain from all this is the Ferrari 488 Pista is top of the tree atm. Macca's will never lap like the stats due to tyre size and Porkers punch way above the price and BHP.

I've no skin in the Mclaren game so it's of no interest. You perpetually trying to force your opinion down everyone's throat as the correct one is what's boring, but you'll see that from the responses you get.

Same old story under your various aliases, Mr Demon Porsche GT4, you just re-invent yourself and start traipsing out the same old sxxt. You'd save yourself a lot of time using cut and paste!

[Slippydiff]

993rsr said:

I've no skin in the Mclaren game so it's of no interest. You perpetually trying to force your opinion down everyone's throat as the correct one is what's boring, but you'll see that from the responses you get.

Same old story under your various aliases, Mr Demon Porsche GT4, you just re-invent yourself and start traipsing out the same old sxxt. You'd save yourself a lot of time using cut and paste by buying yourself another Lotus, and quitting posting on here !

Fixed that for you JC

[Juno]

av185 said:

This Spider looks good value received from Mc Manchester today. Even despite the mileage

What a crass way to advertise a car, how does anyone ever buy a new Mclaren with those levels of depreciation £190k down to £140k in a blink of an eye!

[Yellow491]

993rsr said:

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

You seem to have no concept that your opinions are those of you and nobody else.

Are every ones own opinion just that, their own opinions, you do post odd st. Macca'a are pretty dull that's my opinion, you will have to accept it, even if it annoys the st out of you ;-p, now they have too many cars and not enough dealers and they still fall apart !

I wish people would accept not many people like Macca's who like driving, it is a lifestyle brand atm, the 600LT is said to out corner the 675LT that's from the horse mouth, so I stick to my OPINION the 675LT has issues in the bends to show such poor lap times vs the other 4 big brands when on paper it's looks so bloody fast.

Any way this forum is not as bad as the st going on the Ferrari and Macca Forums about the Autocar test lol and how upset very one gets on one make forums lol

RS had shot tyres it seems hence the slow time. 600lt only matched a standard GT3 time , so even though it corners better than a 675LT it's yet again not giving a time the on paper stats show. 436bhp/ton vs the GT3 342 bhp/ton but it did the same time ! that's pretty poor.

In fact if you put a bogo GT3 on Trofeo's it would have been faster !

all we can gain from all this is the Ferrari 488 Pista is top of the tree atm. Macca's will never lap like the stats due to tyre size and Porkers punch way above the price and BHP.

I've no skin in the Mclaren game so it's of no interest. You perpetually trying to force your opinion down everyone's throat as the correct one is what's boring, but you'll see that from the responses you get.

Same old story under your various aliases, Mr Demon Porsche GT4, you just re-invent yourself and start traipsing out the same old sxxt. You'd save yourself a lot of time using cut and paste!

R htf can you keep posting such nonsense on what you here and read,you are loseing any credability you had.It will come clear about tyre size one day when you fully understan
I am sure you are a nice adult,but you respond like another i know,stop it and gain some credability back.

[lowndes]

Porsche911R said:

I wish people would accept not many people like Macca's who like driving, it is a lifestyle brand atm, .

I've a 19 plate McLaren due at the beginning of March next year and I do find your statement somewhat perjorative; though you are of course entitled to your view. Whether in different circumstances I would choose to air in a way similar to you a negatively held view is another matter.

This Chris Harris video could be worth another watch:

https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives...

[Taffy66]

lowndes said:

I've a 19 plate McLaren due at the beginning of March next year and I do find your statement somewhat perjorative; though you are of course entitled to your view. Whether in different circumstances I would choose to air in a way similar to you a negatively held view is another matter.

This Chris Harris video could be worth another watch:

https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives...

I love McLarens as cars and what they've achieved in a relatively short time. This is even more so as they have no intention of devaluing the brand as others have by milking the SUV cow..Long may it last..
I remember you having a 650S Spyder which must have impressed you enough a get another..Which one are you getting if you don't mind me asking..? PM me if you prefer..

[hunter 66]

Nice Lowndes ..... I smell a 600LT...... have a few friends getting them and they are special

[lowndes]

Taffy66 said:

I remember you having a 650S Spyder .

Not for driving Taffy, just a lifestyle thing