997.1 GT3 - 911 Virgin
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GT4RS said:
RC1 said:
RC1 said:
for those interested, there is a white CS about to hit PH privately for about 85
ad now live for 91.5. ive spoken to him previously and he's a top guy and the inspection report is very positive. just cant do white and cant do 90 for a .1 gt3God loves a tryer.
Frrair said:
GT4RS said:
RC1 said:
RC1 said:
for those interested, there is a white CS about to hit PH privately for about 85
ad now live for 91.5. ive spoken to him previously and he's a top guy and the inspection report is very positive. just cant do white and cant do 90 for a .1 gt3God loves a tryer.
GT4RS said:
RC1 said:
RC1 said:
for those interested, there is a white CS about to hit PH privately for about 85
ad now live for 91.5. ive spoken to him previously and he's a top guy and the inspection report is very positive. just cant do white and cant do 90 for a .1 gt3God loves a tryer.
DappaD said:
I think 997.2 club sports will go down to circa 80k in the not too distant future...and other GT products will also fall quite a bit below where they currently are.
997.2 club sport are already circa 82k in LHD market......and before someone comments on that being a different market, go check a few examples similar spec/mileage cars such as 997.1 Carrera S (U.K) vs German LHD.......similar price, go check the next level up, 997.2 GTS (u.k) vs German LHD.......similar price, maybe slightly more expensive in Germany.
To show how crazy and overpriced GT3’s are here in the U.K, here is a great example.
On mobile.de there is a Black 997.1 GT3 club sport(LHD) advertised for €79990/£70574, where as EXACTLY the same car is currently advertised in the u.k for £8500 more at £79000.
Back in October this car was advertised at £69990, then dropped to £65990 in November.....then as it still hadn’t sold, the next logic step in December was.......to increase the price to £79000....To me this just highlights the overinflated prices here.
To me we are long overdue a correction here in the U.k on GT3’s and on current prices it looks like it’s at least circa 10k across all 997/991 GT3.
If sellers are serious about selling, prices need to drop back into line to at least those in Europe......only then do I see the numbers start to drop in line with cars coming to market
The ‘Track Season’ price adjustment didn’t happen last year (many of those vehicles are still for sale) and I don’t see it happening this year.
We have had the hi-tide regarding prices and I think there are already a few investors/chancers that have already been bitten regarding what they thought they can make on a 2nd hand GT product.
The sooner the correction comes, the sooner those enthusiasts currently priced out the market will be able to buy their new to them GT3 to drive as intended, as opposed to keeping them in garages trying to make money on them, which I think a lot of current owners have bought them for.
In my experience the residuals on the 991.1 GT3 have bitten quite hard in the last 18-24 months. I just think some sellers are just trying to recoup some hefty losses.997.2 club sport are already circa 82k in LHD market......and before someone comments on that being a different market, go check a few examples similar spec/mileage cars such as 997.1 Carrera S (U.K) vs German LHD.......similar price, go check the next level up, 997.2 GTS (u.k) vs German LHD.......similar price, maybe slightly more expensive in Germany.
To show how crazy and overpriced GT3’s are here in the U.K, here is a great example.
On mobile.de there is a Black 997.1 GT3 club sport(LHD) advertised for €79990/£70574, where as EXACTLY the same car is currently advertised in the u.k for £8500 more at £79000.
Back in October this car was advertised at £69990, then dropped to £65990 in November.....then as it still hadn’t sold, the next logic step in December was.......to increase the price to £79000....To me this just highlights the overinflated prices here.
To me we are long overdue a correction here in the U.k on GT3’s and on current prices it looks like it’s at least circa 10k across all 997/991 GT3.
If sellers are serious about selling, prices need to drop back into line to at least those in Europe......only then do I see the numbers start to drop in line with cars coming to market
The ‘Track Season’ price adjustment didn’t happen last year (many of those vehicles are still for sale) and I don’t see it happening this year.
We have had the hi-tide regarding prices and I think there are already a few investors/chancers that have already been bitten regarding what they thought they can make on a 2nd hand GT product.
The sooner the correction comes, the sooner those enthusiasts currently priced out the market will be able to buy their new to them GT3 to drive as intended, as opposed to keeping them in garages trying to make money on them, which I think a lot of current owners have bought them for.
typically a 991 can loose as much as 1000GBP per month which is scary.
I think £1000 per month is going be the norm for a little while. When I bought my last new 911.2 I bought expecting to loose around £800 to £1000 a month. As long as you bought it with your eyes open, used it and enjoyed it nothing is lost just memories gained.
It’s the ones who bought to make a profit or are to scared to use them due to adding mileage will end up loosing out.
It’s the ones who bought to make a profit or are to scared to use them due to adding mileage will end up loosing out.
A vote for good dealers.
911Virgin - Tom just bought my 996.2 GT3 off me with cash my way and a very good Cayman R. Absolutely no messing, helpful and instant payment.
JZM - I have bought a few cars from them, they also bought my Cayman GTS from me at very strong money to help me get in a car. Michele in the servicing department is also unbelievably helpful and has dug me out of many a hole.
Paragon is my local dealer, very professional but very cold in my view.
911Virgin - Tom just bought my 996.2 GT3 off me with cash my way and a very good Cayman R. Absolutely no messing, helpful and instant payment.
JZM - I have bought a few cars from them, they also bought my Cayman GTS from me at very strong money to help me get in a car. Michele in the servicing department is also unbelievably helpful and has dug me out of many a hole.
Paragon is my local dealer, very professional but very cold in my view.
PJI said:
GT4RS said:
RC1 said:
RC1 said:
for those interested, there is a white CS about to hit PH privately for about 85
ad now live for 91.5. ive spoken to him previously and he's a top guy and the inspection report is very positive. just cant do white and cant do 90 for a .1 gt3God loves a tryer.
He's not had it long. I saw it at the Shropshire Outlaw gathering meet in September last year. Definitely a tidy car, but strong money.
Personally, I see the 'crunch' point in GT3 prices being the 991.1 comfort spec cars, not least because of spec, but also genuine concerns about the engines. These and, to a lesser degree, the comfort spec 997.2 GT3's too are really not shifting. So prices must come down on these cars and that cannot but affect everything else, even if only to a minor degree.
Good stuff will always be good; I mean no GT3 is about to become irrelevant or unloved. They're all, compared to other cars in general, great, great cars, as long as they're good examples.
Digga said:
PJI said:
GT4RS said:
RC1 said:
RC1 said:
for those interested, there is a white CS about to hit PH privately for about 85
ad now live for 91.5. ive spoken to him previously and he's a top guy and the inspection report is very positive. just cant do white and cant do 90 for a .1 gt3God loves a tryer.
He's not had it long. I saw it at the Shropshire Outlaw gathering meet in September last year. Definitely a tidy car, but strong money.
Personally, I see the 'crunch' point in GT3 prices being the 991.1 comfort spec cars, not least because of spec, but also genuine concerns about the engines. These and, to a lesser degree, the comfort spec 997.2 GT3's too are really not shifting. So prices must come down on these cars and that cannot but affect everything else, even if only to a minor degree.
Good stuff will always be good; I mean no GT3 is about to become irrelevant or unloved. They're all, compared to other cars in general, great, great cars, as long as they're good examples.
On the subject of Gen IIs, I'm not going to suggest a Gen I is better, of course not, but Gen IIs aren't for everyone. Centre-lock wheels are a challenge in terms of keeping them clean and switching wheels and tyres quickly at home, the power increase is only 5%, the lower polar moment of inertia (5cm) at the front, can be dialled into a Gen I with a good geometry set up, red-line up 100 RPM, PCM 3.0 is much nicer than PCM 2.1, but even when I had PCM 3.0, I still used Waze for navigation. My point being, I don't have Gen IIs miles apart from Gen Is.
PCM anything is a joke. The 2.1 in my 997.1 looks like some sort of Fisher Price kid's toy. And it works even worse than it looks. 
I've kept the old, s
t PCM head unit, to re-install (if) I ever sell the car, because I know that's what Porsche hairshirts will dictate, but having DAB, Nav and Bluetooth that all work is not optional for me, so I really like the Kenwood.
I've kept the old, s
t PCM head unit, to re-install (if) I ever sell the car, because I know that's what Porsche hairshirts will dictate, but having DAB, Nav and Bluetooth that all work is not optional for me, so I really like the Kenwood.evodarren said:
Have to admit. at my age im just going to drive my 997.1 GT3 and enjoy it. Had a few thing happen last year that s made me realize its not worth worrying about depreciation.
Good on you Darren.Nice to hear.
Had more than enough reminders recently to just make the most out of every minute we have. Life can be a real b
d. Cars, and their bloody values (and the colour of sodding stitching. Please!) mean absolutely nothing in the grand scale of things. D.no said:
evodarren said:
Have to admit. at my age im just going to drive my 997.1 GT3 and enjoy it. Had a few thing happen last year that s made me realize its not worth worrying about depreciation.
Good on you Darren.Nice to hear.
Had more than enough reminders recently to just make the most out of every minute we have. Life can be a real b
d. Cars, and their bloody values (and the colour of sodding stitching. Please!) mean absolutely nothing in the grand scale of things. The gen 1 997 Gt3 has a great blend of power and handle for our roads the way they are now.
evodarren said:
Have to admit. at my age im just going to drive my 997.1 GT3 and enjoy it. Had a few thing happen last year that s made me realize its not worth worrying about depreciation.
Same here. Just drive and enjoy. Count the cost and smile about it later. So many threads now from people asking "should I buy now or wait....". It's their loss if they keep waiting. boxsey said:
evodarren said:
Have to admit. at my age im just going to drive my 997.1 GT3 and enjoy it. Had a few thing happen last year that s made me realize its not worth worrying about depreciation.
Same here. Just drive and enjoy. Count the cost and smile about it later. So many threads now from people asking "should I buy now or wait....". It's their loss if they keep waiting.
boxsey said:
evodarren said:
Have to admit. at my age im just going to drive my 997.1 GT3 and enjoy it. Had a few thing happen last year that s made me realize its not worth worrying about depreciation.
Same here. Just drive and enjoy. Count the cost and smile about it later. So many threads now from people asking "should I buy now or wait....". It's their loss if they keep waiting. Suppose the value of a good, used 997.1 GT3 at a dealer dropped from the circa £80k it is now. Like really dropped to say £50k.
This price assumes you've been miserly with your use of the car, in the hope it will help future values, but suppose you'd just used the thing to the point it's worth half that, you've only 'lost' £25k.
Furthermore, the car's worth so little, there's barely any point in selling it - there's little value to release - so you might as well keep it, rag it, enjoy it and fix it up, like Trigger's broom.
Digga said:
boxsey said:
evodarren said:
Have to admit. at my age im just going to drive my 997.1 GT3 and enjoy it. Had a few thing happen last year that s made me realize its not worth worrying about depreciation.
Same here. Just drive and enjoy. Count the cost and smile about it later. So many threads now from people asking "should I buy now or wait....". It's their loss if they keep waiting. Suppose the value of a good, used 997.1 GT3 at a dealer dropped from the circa £80k it is now. Like really dropped to say £50k.
This price assumes you've been miserly with your use of the car, in the hope it will help future values, but suppose you'd just used the thing to the point it's worth half that, you've only 'lost' £25k.
Furthermore, the car's worth so little, there's barely any point in selling it - there's little value to release - so you might as well keep it, rag it, enjoy it and fix it up, like Trigger's broom.
evodarren said:
Hi Dean
The gen 1 997 Gt3 has a great blend of power and handle for our roads the way they are now.
Yep - magical things. What you get out is directly proportional to what you put in. They don't flatter, or mask ineptitude or hand you anything on a plate, but they're still intuitive and malleable. Looking forward to the continual learning process over the next 20 years or so...given good health and fortune.The gen 1 997 Gt3 has a great blend of power and handle for our roads the way they are now.
GT4RS said:
Edit: Wrong info. Please ignore.Edited by BrotherMouzone on Thursday 7th February 21:31
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