Brexit...GT cars....Don't Worry

Brexit...GT cars....Don't Worry

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IknowJoseph

542 posts

139 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Xfe said:
At the moment it appears the vote of us plebs doesn't matter if it doesn't align with what our political class desire.
The problem with this statement is that it assumes there was one "Brexit" that got voted for. At the moment, with a few weeks to go, nobody can even decide if we're hard / soft / customs union / Norway / Canada / WTO. Then someone reminded the government that Northern Ireland was a thing and Boris Johnson admitted that he'd heard of it.

Theresa May has demonstrated she can't come up with a deal that the UK is happy with, at which point it might be worth asking the UK if they still want to go ahead with something that apparently can't be done.

Of course, I'm assuming that the government is not going to turn this around in the next few weeks, which I admit is the pessimistic view. But May did try to renegotiate with the EU after telling them "I'm not going to change my position at all", which doesn't give me much hope.

cc3

2,787 posts

115 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Mrs May has few options left really. Next week could be the end game for this government. She can’t call a second referendum for obvious reasons so only option is for her to call the election even if it means a Corbyn government

That should knock the stuffing out of the high end car market. I remember the days in 1979 when we had a top rate of tax of 83% and you paid 98% on unearned income! Those days were grim. Welcome to the future

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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cc3 said:
Mrs May has few options left really. Next week could be the end game for this government. She can’t call a second referendum for obvious reasons so only option is for her to call the election even if it means a Corbyn government

That should knock the stuffing out of the high end car market.
Briefly perhaps.

But recovery could well be as rapid as the decline as it was post 2008 financial crisis.

cc3

2,787 posts

115 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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av185 said:
cc3 said:
Mrs May has few options left really. Next week could be the end game for this government. She can’t call a second referendum for obvious reasons so only option is for her to call the election even if it means a Corbyn government

That should knock the stuffing out of the high end car market.
Briefly perhaps.

But recovery could well be as rapid as the decline as it was post 2008 financial crisis.
I take it you didn’t run a business or were employed in the late 70’s


Edited by cc3 on Saturday 19th January 21:55

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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cc3 said:
av185 said:
cc3 said:
Mrs May has few options left really. Next week could be the end game for this government. She can’t call a second referendum for obvious reasons so only option is for her to call the election even if it means a Corbyn government

That should knock the stuffing out of the high end car market.
Briefly perhaps.

But recovery could well be as rapid as the decline as it was post 2008 financial crisis.
I take it you didn’t run a business or were employed in the late 70’s


Edited by cc3 on Saturday 19th January 21:55
Yep ran several growing businesses whilst at Uni.

IknowJoseph

542 posts

139 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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av185 said:
cc3 said:
Mrs May has few options left really. Next week could be the end game for this government. She can’t call a second referendum for obvious reasons so only option is for her to call the election even if it means a Corbyn government

That should knock the stuffing out of the high end car market.
Briefly perhaps.

But recovery could well be as rapid as the decline as it was post 2008 financial crisis.
I take it your wages didn't stagnate / contract for 10 years following 2008?

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Some years were better than others.

Great opportunities existed post 2008.

cc3

2,787 posts

115 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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av185 said:
Yep ran several growing businesses whilst at Uni.
I take it you made no profit as it would have nearly all gone in tax. I had an investment in a Porsche dealership in those days the market for high end cars was extremely challenging

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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cc3 said:
I take it you made no profit as it would have nearly all gone in tax. I had an investment in a Porsche dealership in those days the market for high end cars was extremely challenging
I remember a group of us poor impercunious students walking back from Nottingham city centre after a top night on the piss/pull/curry and hearing then seeing a gorgeous white Carrera flash by.

The glorious wailing of its flat six engine was music to my ears and it left a lasting impression on me. I had to one day soon own a Porsche like that.

It was of course non other than Frank Sytner. Who did extremely well on a number of levels not least through the challenging car market at the time.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 19th January 22:45

Xfe

256 posts

75 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Doddler said:
Does that mean we can have another vote to enter the EU on the 1/04.......
Yes. Although I think it would be unwise, as while it would technically be an enactment of democracy per my view, it certainly wouldn't be in the spirit of democracy.

cc3

2,787 posts

115 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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av185 said:
I remember a group of us poor impercunious students walking back from Nottingham city centre after a top night on the piss/pull/curry and hearing then seeing a gorgeous white Carrera flash by.

The glorious wailing of its flat six engine was music to my ears and it left a lasting impression on me. I had to one day soon own a Porsche like that.

It was of course non other than Frank Sytner. Who did extremely well on a number of levels not least through the challenging car market at the time.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 19th January 22:45
You miss the point a lot of us made our money under Mrs T in the 80’s not the 83% tax of Labour in the 70’s. Good chance those days.could return

GT3-RS

1,085 posts

218 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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everyones an expert......LOL........the truth is no one knows......what is known is the fact we're making ourselves a major laughing stock with all the Scaremongering and unsubstantiated fact ably assisted by our totally biased Media coverage (BBC) the people voted out so out it should be....my understanding of democracy....if 2 people vote out and one votes in we leave and vise versa and as a democratic society we accept this ....we don't need a vote of the nuances of how we leave as we never got any kind of vote on the nuances of how we got in.....what we will achieve is pretty much the end of the British democratic voting system and as a member of the electorate that will be more fearful than crashing out of the Federal states of Europe Trading Cartel....think about it

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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I think leaving the EU is not a good idea, but agree with posters who say a 2nd vote would undermine the democratic process - people should have thought of the consequences before and gone to vote when they had the chance. We don’t like the outcome, so let’s vote again until we get the “right” result is a bit ridiculous

Dr S

4,995 posts

225 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Whenever we thought we had finally gone beyond long threads on values and contrast stitching comes one on Brexit to show that things on a motoring forum can indeed get even worse

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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MDL111 said:
I think leaving the EU is not a good idea, but agree with posters who say a 2nd vote would undermine the democratic process - people should have thought of the consequences before and gone to vote when they had the chance. We don’t like the outcome, so let’s vote again until we get the “right” result is a bit ridiculous
I am with Sir James Dyson, to quote, “the UK should just walk away from negotiations with the EU.”

Interesting interview.


Blue62

8,746 posts

151 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Porsche911R said:
I am with Sir James Dyson, to quote, “the UK should just walk away from negotiations with the EU.”

Interesting interview.
Hardly a compelling argument. For every Dyson or Tim Martin you can find 100 savvy business people saying the opposite, you're not doing anything other than confirming your own bias, grow a pair.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Blue62 said:
Hardly a compelling argument. For every Dyson or Tim Martin you can find 100 savvy business people saying the opposite, you're not doing anything other than confirming your own bias, grow a pair.
Why say grow a pair ? Odd comment, , I thought Dyson talked sense, and I rate him over a few “savvvy business people”

breadvan

1,985 posts

167 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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MDL111 said:
I think leaving the EU is not a good idea, but agree with posters who say a 2nd vote would undermine the democratic process - people should have thought of the consequences before and gone to vote when they had the chance. We don’t like the outcome, so let’s vote again until we get the “right” result is a bit ridiculous
If government can call an early general election despite being democratically elected to serve for 4 years, what’s the difference?

So much has changed and has since come out in the wash, why not reinforce the country’s will?

I’ll admit, part of reason for selling last week (it didn’t go up north, sorry OP) was to baton down the hatches and prepare for the storm - toys in the garage aren’t my priority. For me, I can’t wait for the otherside, whatever happens we’ll roll our sleeves up and get on with it.

SRT Hellcat

7,017 posts

216 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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My gut feeling is that we will remain in the EU. I have said this from pretty much the outset after the Brexit result in conversation / debates with friends. I voted leave by the way. We have a completely divided parliament and I cannot see a deal that will pacify enough MP's to get it through the house. But I believe 70% of the house, correct me if I am wrong are remainers. Enough to win the vote. We will have to wait until Italy collapses the EU institution. It just would have been nice to have been ahead of the game.

ooid

4,049 posts

99 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Porsche911R said:
I thought Dyson talked sense, and I rate him over a few “savvvy business people”
He has been a massive, NON-EU fan, since his machines had an issue with their emission check/system.. He recently won a case against with them see the link below;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/d...

He produces "over-engineered" and "over-expensive" products that produced in Asia. If he was always big fan of Britain, why not opening a mini-factory here? He is also happy to produce his cars (if he can build one), in singapore, not in U.K. so not sure If I would buy his reasons.

In the meantime, have a look at this, all these people are major innovators and "savvvy business people" as you mention, but they are totally against it since the beginning;

https://www.dezeen.com/2018/10/30/no-good-brexit-f...

It is bad for architecture, which is bad for property, land and all other construction industries that comes along....