997/996 GT3 dynamics

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Cunno

320 posts

95 months

Saturday 26th January
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braddo said:
And my wife was regretting the lack of a sports bra in my car last weekend. hehe
Spots Bra you say

https://youtu.be/6iwsCMJ-ZDc

Cunno

320 posts

95 months

Saturday 26th January
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I’ve had my 997 variant now for 10 years 90k miles including 6 euro hoons of 10 days or more, 2 trips to Scotland and what must be over 100 Trackdays.
It’s one car which you can really do it all and I have enjoyed every mile I have driven behind the wheel. It might be worth half as much as a prestige example, but I honestly couldn’t care the memories are worth more to me than a few extra quid.
I really enjoy how you can make these cars move around regardless of your skill set the more you learn how to drive a 911 the more rewarding is the driving experience and even after so many TDs I personally don’t get bored, just love the way the car responds to throttle and brake input and how you can change the line through bends, being able to brake later than basically anything else on track and then picking up the throttle at the apex and just give the beans on the way out.
I’d never get bored of the way the engine revs and how they howl once over 7000rpm. Combine that with a alpine pass and a couple of like minded mates in similar car with the noise bounce back at you off the mountain face is something I’ll never forget true memories.

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Edited by Cunno on Saturday 26th January 17:07

Singh911

866 posts

179 months

Saturday 26th January
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Digga said:
Singh911 said:
I'm nowhere near as capable a driver, not anywhere near as technical as others in here - here are some thoughts from just a driving perspective. .
I've have my 996.1 GT3 comfort with buckets and half cage for 15 years, came from a 993 which I had for 6 yrs. Will never sell it. It's standard apart from .2 GT3 brakes, manthey exhaust and rebuilt dampers/springs refreshed.
I used to do track days in it - now fewer but i do a lot more euro road trips in it.
I'm pretty sure it's largely you fault. Is your car LHD? Did you do an RMA track day a a very wet Spa in 2006?

If it was you, sincere thanks for the pax lap. That was my first ever ride in a GT3 and really switched me on to what, exactly, a GT3 really is.
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Yes i was there in the LHD car. Fun filled day that wassmile

Joehow

171 posts

53 months

Sunday 27th January
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Great thread.

In terms of 996 vs 997 i can only compare the .2 versions each back to back.

Out of the box and on the road I definitely preferred my now departed 996.3 gt3. It always reminds me of a very grown up 106 Rallye. On track it was great particularly at somewhere like Snetterton.

At Spa I actually prefer the 997.2 it feels a little more with me at speed however this could be due to the car being a bit more track orientated in terms modification. The Surface Transforms are sensational bits of kit and are wonderful on track.

Sound wise 996 all day long if OEM however the 997 with an akropovic is amazing.

Im sadly out of my 996 now due to wanting to clear some.wedding debt but luckily can still steal the 997 keys from the old man and have a lovely little Cayman R to keep me entertained.




r4_rick

408 posts

153 months

Sunday 27th January
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Braddo
I’ve got a 6.2, I’m not a good enough driver to tell you about how it feels from a technical pov, but I can vividly remember my test drive And also the one in my 964 and that was 13 years ago !

It felt SO different ! I’d owned a 996 C2, but the noise of the gt, the pull from the engine, the way it revved, the way it felt ALIVE, inside it felt special to.....the nomex recaros, the harnesses, the cage, the centre console delete, it felt like a race car for the road. I was lucky enoughh to have the cash in the bank so I just had to have it, I knew within a few hundred yards I was having it ! Negotiation was futile I was putty in the hands of the seller and he knew it !

Broke all the buying rules as I did with my 964, I bought the first one I went to view, but that’s 911s....for the marketers out there it’s the pull of the teenage bedroom poster syndrome, the want is there simmering for years and years before circumstances allow it to happen, any way I don’t want to stray from the point of your thread!
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r4_rick

408 posts

153 months

Sunday 27th January
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And so good to see whom I regard as the proper Porsche afficiandos to be posting, bounce

Digga

26,071 posts

221 months

Sunday 27th January
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Singh911 said:
Yes i was there in the LHD car. Fun filled day that wassmile
Thank for the passenger laps, really appreciated.

I'd no idea how powerful the GT3 brakes were until that point, or how late you can brake these cars. This trail braking was something I instantly got - it seemed very intuitive to me and the way, in my mind, I wanted a car to work. A revelation.

Singh911

866 posts

179 months

Sunday 27th January
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You're welcome.
Enjoyed reading this https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a19693746/po...

Harris_I

2,979 posts

197 months

Sunday 27th January
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Thanks for this thread, braddo. It's reminded me to dust off my 996 and drive it. I'm embarrassed to admit I haven't done a track day for a year now.

I learnt to drive in 6 GT3, by which I mean not learnt to drive but learnt to DRIVE, if you see what I mean.

It started with autocross events in a 996 Carrera. I couldn't understand why my times were so poor. The front kept washing out on tight corners and I was one of the slowest cars on track for about a season. Then I read up on the 911's handling characteristics and learnt to get that front tucked in.

I'd heard someone had handed his year old cobalt blue 6 GT3 back to the OPC, so I popped round before it was put up for sale. The salesman was only too delighted to have it off his hands the same day it came in. It was a steal in those days (esp as this was Dubai where cars depreciated like mad).

I moved to sprints and then eventually wheel to wheel in the local club racing championship. I remember the first time I put slicks on it, with standard suspension. The tyres gripped like mad but the body listed like a ship in a storm. Soon fixed that with some KW Mantheys. Then I learnt to play with geometry and setup, although if truth be told it's still a mysterious dark art to me.

The car morphed with me, and my skills improved. By the end it was halfway between an RS and a Cup car, and I think I was getting pretty quick. I can still remember the mad adrenaline rush when the lights went green, and that first corner when you think everyone will wipe out. When I came in for the halfway pitstop, it was curiously surreal. Sitting in the intense heat of the cabin, bathed in sweat, absolute calm and quiet whilst I watched the smoke rising from the brake pads. A heady cocktail of rubber, coolant, oil, clutch and sweat. I should have bottled it and patented it.

When I came back to the UK, I stopped racing for a few years and when I dabbled in a few club races I found I'd lost the art of trailing. It was embarrassing, frankly. I've made a promise to myself to try harder this year.

There's nothing on sale like it anymore. The only things that appeal are the GT3 Touring and the M2 Competition, both in manual. Otherwise everything leaves me cold. I live not far from the McLaren factory. Every time I see one, I think meh....

braddo

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6,181 posts

126 months

Sunday 27th January
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r4_rick said:
.... I don’t want to stray from the point of your thread!
Don't worry, your post is exactly what the thread is about. thumbup It's great to read these stories of how these cars feel 'right' almost instantly to some people when they get behind the wheel for the first time.

Dr S

4,261 posts

164 months

Sunday 27th January
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A man can never have enough GT3s. In any iteration it's the car the vanilla 911 should have been in the first place. There are faster cars out there but few are as direct, immersive, exciting and able to edge you on to become a(n even) better driver every time you get into it

One of my favourite memories is driving a slightly fettled 6RS on wet/rainy Ascari circuit. This thing just felt so right

braddo

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6,181 posts

126 months

Sunday 27th January
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I had a great early morning drive yesterday. Car got a bit dirty though...



Unfortunately I encountered some roadkill on the motorway that couldn't be avoided and I had to drive over it. I think it was a badger... I found this when I got home.



The front brake duct and the mudflap thing in front of the rear wheel have also been dislodged so I'll have to see if they're broken.

Dammit

2,866 posts

146 months

Sunday 27th January
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Somewhat odd question, has anyone run their GT3 without the rear wing? I'm pondering deleting my (raising, Carrera) spoiler, but if it's vital to kill rear axle lift I'll work out a way to keep it.

Harris_I

2,979 posts

197 months

Sunday 27th January
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It doesn't do a lot despite appearances.

On most tracks for most users it will be fine.


cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Sunday 27th January
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Agreed, especially in a road context. Unless you are in the habit of loading the car up at large triple-digit speeds, I wouldn't be too worried.

Dan911

2,441 posts

146 months

Sunday 27th January
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This Topic made me pop to the garage uncover my 996.1 CS K400 and first, just have a coffee while looking at her and then a 20 drive.

Great topic.. this thread should keep me away from swapping to a GT4 for a few weeks.

I came like a few of you, from a few 993’s into a 996.1 GT3, sold it in 2011 for a Cayman S then a Cayman R followed soon after as the ‘event’ was not there when I drove the Cayman S. The Cayman R was a great car but I always wanted back into a GT3, came close to buying a 997.1 comfort. So I can’t compare the 996 v 997, and I’ve only done 3 or 4 trackdays in my driving lifetime so again, I’m not the man to say about handling.
But I’ve driven many super cars, hot hatches and like and nothing comes close to a GT3. Just the feel, the pantomime even as you’re walking up to the car I still get butterflies. Then as the key turns and that great engine raws to life, I’ve had no better feeling of a car.
Great package.

Mine has just covered 59,000 miles and is as tight as a drum. Plus from any angle looks like a 20 year old car.

Any handling advice always appreciated.

Dan

TDT

1,218 posts

57 months

Sunday 27th January
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Dan911 said:
This Topic made me pop to the garage, just have a coffee while looking at her
I thought I was the only one that did this. Lol

JulierPass

274 posts

168 months

Sunday 27th January
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I've had my 996RS for 15 years. No way I'd get rid of it. I added a 997 RS 4.0 to the garage last year, and as great as that car it is not as visceral and adjustable as the 996. Great to see a proper thread about driving on here again. smile


isaldiri

4,220 posts

106 months

Sunday 27th January
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Somehow I've managed to not drive any 6gt3 despite driving pretty much every other one of the 9X6 range.weeping.. But (and I am admittedly biased here) but I do think the 7.2s mark the last of the era in terms of cars that are 'analogue' or at least analogue-ish to drive. the 991s are very good and extremly capable but just... different imo. Still don't think I've driven a car made after 2011 that's had anything like the overall amount of feel/involvement in all respects as the 7gt3s.

Steve Rance

4,834 posts

169 months

Sunday 27th January
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Old story but I remember having spent a season racing a 996 cup. Lots of laps lot of races blah blah. In my mind, the cup was a quantum step up. I’d had literally 1000’s of laps in GT3’s. gen1’s 2’s and RS’s previously but during that season there was a lot of racing and I’d had no time to help out at track days during the year with set ups etc.. I think I’d subconsciously even left it behind. Then, at the end of the season I had occasion to take a 6RS for an MOT. Expecting a softer, blunter, less visceral experience I was stunned. Basically, I was driving a quieter cup car with carpets and a number plate. It wasn’t a ‘well there is definitely a mutually shared dna’ thing. They were essentially the same car. Given that any 996 GT3 is not that far off of an RS, they offer a genuine GT race car experience. Not a ‘bending of the rules pretending’ but a genuine race car experience for the road. For that reason my love affair with the 996 GT3 will never end. Wonderful, Spectacular cars.

Edited by Steve Rance on Sunday 27th January 20:00