991.1 vs 997.2 values
Discussion
Hi All,
I’m torn between a 997.2 2S and 991.1 2S. I'm a newbie and this will be my first Porsche (first car really, since my 1990 Daihatsu Cuore). The fact that the 991 is just more modern is great, but the 997 feels a bit more like a car than a spaceship which I like.
I can pick up a good quality 2009 997.2 S 60k mileage under £40k, whereas I’d have to fork out £55-60k for a 2012/13 991.1 S <40k mileage.
Now, with the delivery of the 992 in March, I don’t really want to buy a 997.2 at £40k when in 2months time, I can get a 3-4 years newer car with less mileage (i.e. 991) at £45-50k. Do resale values for the latest series (in this case 991) really decrease with the arrival of the newer series (992), or am I overthinking this?
I’d appreciate it to get your views on this. What’s happening with earlier 991 prices with the arrival of the 992?
Many thanks!
I’m torn between a 997.2 2S and 991.1 2S. I'm a newbie and this will be my first Porsche (first car really, since my 1990 Daihatsu Cuore). The fact that the 991 is just more modern is great, but the 997 feels a bit more like a car than a spaceship which I like.
I can pick up a good quality 2009 997.2 S 60k mileage under £40k, whereas I’d have to fork out £55-60k for a 2012/13 991.1 S <40k mileage.
Now, with the delivery of the 992 in March, I don’t really want to buy a 997.2 at £40k when in 2months time, I can get a 3-4 years newer car with less mileage (i.e. 991) at £45-50k. Do resale values for the latest series (in this case 991) really decrease with the arrival of the newer series (992), or am I overthinking this?
I’d appreciate it to get your views on this. What’s happening with earlier 991 prices with the arrival of the 992?
Many thanks!
I can sort of add to this, had a 997.2s for a few years. Amazing car which still felt mechanical and somewhat old Porsche if that makes sense.
Now have a 991.2 4s. Amazing car again, far far quicker and with the RWS and 4wd drive handles like it’s on rails. Doesn’t feel as mechanical and you know electronics are really keeping the thing in check. Big step up in speed IMO.
If it’s a Sunday car the 997s would be a more engaging drive, but both are brilliant cars in there own right. It’s just one has moved on in terms of tech by quite a lot.
I personally love the shape of the 997.
Now have a 991.2 4s. Amazing car again, far far quicker and with the RWS and 4wd drive handles like it’s on rails. Doesn’t feel as mechanical and you know electronics are really keeping the thing in check. Big step up in speed IMO.
If it’s a Sunday car the 997s would be a more engaging drive, but both are brilliant cars in there own right. It’s just one has moved on in terms of tech by quite a lot.
I personally love the shape of the 997.
I had a gen 2 997 (3.6 engine) for five years and 30k miles, the car was driveway parked and used in all weathers. It had the Porsche lowered chassis ( worth looking for) and felt very alive to drive. It was nine years old when I sold it and still looked great , however looking underneath it was definitely showing deterioration with age. ( sold to OPC. who sold it for more than I paid for it five years ago!) I moved on to a 991.1 2s...great car..really like it, definateley a more grown up feel to the drive. A lot faster, better brakes, better handling , more economic ( I average 5 mpg more in the 991 and am not slow) all with a lot more comfort , the bonus of being able to converse with a passenger at 80-90 cruise without shouting makes quiet , relaxed speedy progress. Yes I sometimes miss the rawness of the 997 and its daintiness ( the 991 feels a lot bigger car but it's not really that much if you check the dimensions). I'm now six months and 3k miles into the 991 without regrets...I think we all look back on previous cars and remember the good bits...if I were you it's the 991 I'd have but test both it's the best way to be sure ...good luck with your choice...
Swapped my 997.2 for 991.2.
991.2 refinement, ride, tech, accommodation and quality is better ... however I agree the 997.2 feels more “mechanical”, more “classic” particularly with the steering feedback and feel. 997.2 is prettier, you feel more part of car (probably because it’s smaller).
As a daily the 991 is easier to live with, but the 997 would be much better weekend car imho
991.2 refinement, ride, tech, accommodation and quality is better ... however I agree the 997.2 feels more “mechanical”, more “classic” particularly with the steering feedback and feel. 997.2 is prettier, you feel more part of car (probably because it’s smaller).
As a daily the 991 is easier to live with, but the 997 would be much better weekend car imho
I spoke with a chap yesterday about a great spec 997.2 4S, manual, well maintained, mid 50k miles, all for a chunk less than £40k.
That makes it about 20% less than the equivalent 991.
Where as the 997 GTS might be above 991s the 'std' 997.2S are a long way behind and will continue to be, there is little reason for them nit to end up at £20k eventually, like early gn 1s have been for years.
Having driven a few 991s and owned a couple of 997s, they really are chalk and cheese, 997s feel 10+ years older than a 991 (in technology, and comfort terms) this brings both good and bad.
I'm very tempted by the idea of 997.2 - but not as a daily, more bit of fun, last of the old school.
That makes it about 20% less than the equivalent 991.
Where as the 997 GTS might be above 991s the 'std' 997.2S are a long way behind and will continue to be, there is little reason for them nit to end up at £20k eventually, like early gn 1s have been for years.
Having driven a few 991s and owned a couple of 997s, they really are chalk and cheese, 997s feel 10+ years older than a 991 (in technology, and comfort terms) this brings both good and bad.
I'm very tempted by the idea of 997.2 - but not as a daily, more bit of fun, last of the old school.
997 is further on the depreciation curve, so values are solid.
The older the 911 generally the more engaging, more mechanical, but a slower and less tech.
You will find it easier to get a good 991.1 C2S a 997.2 C2S will be harder to find in the right spec (and it will only get harder to find one in future).
The right spec being (IMO) manual, coupe 997.2 C2S.
I'd pick a 997.2
Buy the one you enjoy driving, both great cars.
The older the 911 generally the more engaging, more mechanical, but a slower and less tech.
You will find it easier to get a good 991.1 C2S a 997.2 C2S will be harder to find in the right spec (and it will only get harder to find one in future).
The right spec being (IMO) manual, coupe 997.2 C2S.
I'd pick a 997.2
Buy the one you enjoy driving, both great cars.
Edited by g7jhp on Saturday 16th February 08:34
For me the 991 S feels like a GT car whereas the 997.2 feels like a sports car...even when you’re doing 30 mph in traffic. If you really push a 991 it does feel like a sports car but it lacks involvement when you aren’t “on it”.
991.1 as a daily driver and 997.2 as a weekend car.
I think over time the 997.2 will be worth more, I suspect there’s less of them, I imagine they are probably simpler/cheaper to maintain, they will more and more become weekand cars which will make the 997.2 more popular one will be seen as the last Porsche that Porsche made as an independent company and the other will be seen as the first VW era car. Also think the 997 is a great looking car, inside and out.
991.1 as a daily driver and 997.2 as a weekend car.
I think over time the 997.2 will be worth more, I suspect there’s less of them, I imagine they are probably simpler/cheaper to maintain, they will more and more become weekand cars which will make the 997.2 more popular one will be seen as the last Porsche that Porsche made as an independent company and the other will be seen as the first VW era car. Also think the 997 is a great looking car, inside and out.
MDL111 said:
I haven’t driven a 991, but the 997.2 manual is imo an all time great. Will need to buy one at some point.
Don't !!, I single out the 991.1 911 to have the worse steering feel of any Porsche ever made lol the early 981 Boxster 2nd.Even the 991.1 GT3 are still s
t imo.I even made a vid of it back in 2012, lol it's shocking bad esp when those models all have P-zero as well as .!
Makes my Golf feel like a GT3 !
how people can own this tat amazes me !
https://youtu.be/JXlgfbgdoQ4
my GT4 was 85% there, my 991.2 GT3 is a non issue in the steering dept and reviews of the 992 seem to say they have now nailed EPS.
Hence why people are holding onto 997.2 C2S manual, and very wise of them to do so. Just annoying for me who wants one.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 16th February 10:23
Another vote for 997.2 as a weekend car.
Said before, but don't ignore the 3.6, sweet engine with the manual 'box, but make sure you get PASM, lowered suspension and sports exhaust (although you can hack the exhaust for about £300.00).
The 991.1 is lovely, but compared to the 997 is a bit muted and as said above, is more GT than sports car.
Check out the red 3.6 at Harbour Cars (no affiliation).
Said before, but don't ignore the 3.6, sweet engine with the manual 'box, but make sure you get PASM, lowered suspension and sports exhaust (although you can hack the exhaust for about £300.00).
The 991.1 is lovely, but compared to the 997 is a bit muted and as said above, is more GT than sports car.
Check out the red 3.6 at Harbour Cars (no affiliation).
Don't post often on here but threads like this give me a warm fuzzy feel 
I bought my 997.2 C2S manual a little over two years ago for a whisker over £40K. It is very much a weekend car and I've not done anything like the mileage I would have liked but I've loved all that I've done. It's now just short of 45,000 miles and I do not believe I could buy the car again for what I paid for it two years back.
Value isn't my primary concern, driving and enjoyment of ownership is, but it is very nice to read how sought after and relatively rare these cars are becoming (particularly with a manual box) and that I do not appear to be losing money either.
I guess that answers some of your question regarding values. I cannot comment on the merits of a 991.1 because I haven't driven one but I can certainly recommend a manual 997.2!
Gratuitous wash day picture whilst I'm here...
I bought my 997.2 C2S manual a little over two years ago for a whisker over £40K. It is very much a weekend car and I've not done anything like the mileage I would have liked but I've loved all that I've done. It's now just short of 45,000 miles and I do not believe I could buy the car again for what I paid for it two years back.
Value isn't my primary concern, driving and enjoyment of ownership is, but it is very nice to read how sought after and relatively rare these cars are becoming (particularly with a manual box) and that I do not appear to be losing money either.
I guess that answers some of your question regarding values. I cannot comment on the merits of a 991.1 because I haven't driven one but I can certainly recommend a manual 997.2!
Gratuitous wash day picture whilst I'm here...
Thanks guys!
What do you think will the supply of 991.1 be in the 1-2 months with the delivery of the 992?
I might as well wait a 1-2 months and get a 991 instead of looking hard for a good condition 997.2 with low mileage and pay up for it in the end. Will this be the case or will the 992 deliveries not have much of an impact? I know it’s all speculation
What do you think will the supply of 991.1 be in the 1-2 months with the delivery of the 992?
I might as well wait a 1-2 months and get a 991 instead of looking hard for a good condition 997.2 with low mileage and pay up for it in the end. Will this be the case or will the 992 deliveries not have much of an impact? I know it’s all speculation
vfb86 said:
Thanks guys!
What do you think will the supply of 991.1 be in the 1-2 months with the delivery of the 992?
I might as well wait a 1-2 months and get a 991 instead of looking hard for a good condition 997.2 with low mileage and pay up for it in the end. Will this be the case or will the 992 deliveries not have much of an impact? I know it’s all speculation
so after all the advice to get a 997.2 you are going to buy a 991.1 ;-)What do you think will the supply of 991.1 be in the 1-2 months with the delivery of the 992?
I might as well wait a 1-2 months and get a 991 instead of looking hard for a good condition 997.2 with low mileage and pay up for it in the end. Will this be the case or will the 992 deliveries not have much of an impact? I know it’s all speculation
o well.
vfb86 said:
Thanks guys!
What do you think will the supply of 991.1 be in the 1-2 months with the delivery of the 992?
I might as well wait a 1-2 months and get a 991 instead of looking hard for a good condition 997.2 with low mileage and pay up for it in the end. Will this be the case or will the 992 deliveries not have much of an impact? I know it’s all speculation
I doubt supply will change much, and demand is probably as much to do with the weather! Cant imagine the dribble of 992s being delivered in spring will make much difference, and it might be a wild generalisation but id expect the bulk of 992 owners to be coming out of 991.2 PCP deals perhaps.What do you think will the supply of 991.1 be in the 1-2 months with the delivery of the 992?
I might as well wait a 1-2 months and get a 991 instead of looking hard for a good condition 997.2 with low mileage and pay up for it in the end. Will this be the case or will the 992 deliveries not have much of an impact? I know it’s all speculation
At the end where your comparing 997.2 vs 991.1 its going to make next to no difference at all, at least not for a few years. The 991.1 is the last of the NA carrera's so id expect the values to hold up ok. Not like you will avoid depreciation, but they are never going to be cheaper than a like for like 997. People will talk about the 991.1 in exactly the same terms as the 997.2 in a few years time, just wait till they do a hybrid 992!
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