What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?

[throt]

av185 said:

As for mine it's a keeper as like I say imo this car is the sweet spot in Ps lineup and on a different level to the gen 1 and fairly irreplaceable at the money especially in 'manuel' form.

+1,
Mine is too.

I do have what appears to be the "ideal spec", in other words, what the majority visualise a GT3 to be, or, should be.

I see a .2 at Reading the other week and it had the standard SS's, which just didn't look right. I had the standard SS's in my Gen1 and I did always regret it.

Jmo though.

Mine is PDK though, but I love it.

[Cheib]

Tom Hartley Jr has just posted that this car has sold...I imagine close to asking given it’s been up for about a week. £149k. That price reflects the steel brakes and marmite red interior against the Miami Blue exterior I think.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKtrcQg6Hn/?utm_sourc...

[hunter 66]

Best aspect about the low Bucket seats ...... the speed limiter ( Wife ) sat in the once and decided she would not want to again ... result

[throt]

hunter 66 said:

Best aspect about the low Bucket seats ...... the speed limiter ( Wife ) sat in the once and decided she would not want to again ... result

Sweet. They do ruin a spirited drive, lol..

[throt]

Cheib said:

Tom Hartley Jr has just posted that this car has sold...I imagine close to asking given it’s been up for about a week. £149k. That price reflects the steel brakes and marmite red interior against the Miami Blue exterior I think.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKtrcQg6Hn/?utm_sourc...

Just would not work out for me if I was in the hunt and I know what a blast they are. Up to the individual though. If I was the salesman I would have said,, ""are you sure""... haha.

[hunter 66]

Yes ,I gat an ongoing commentary of the speed limit in that area ..... so the drive through the Country is a constant order that it is 30 mph now ( in village ) even though I saw that and was only doing 32 mph .Anyway good to have different interests ..

[Cheib]

throt said:

Cheib said:

Tom Hartley Jr has just posted that this car has sold...I imagine close to asking given it’s been up for about a week. £149k. That price reflects the steel brakes and marmite red interior against the Miami Blue exterior I think.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKtrcQg6Hn/?utm_sourc...

Just would not work out for me if I was in the hunt and I know what a blast they are. Up to the individual though. If I was the salesman I would have said,, ""are you sure""... haha.

Nor me. Weird spec as given unregistered was probably always intended for “le flip” !

[throt]

hunter 66 said:

Anyway good to have different interests ..

Absoloutely!.

Always out on my own tbh. Billy no mates specialist..lol.

[caminator11]

Long shot but...if anyone has one that they were looking to get shot of quickly and wants to see someone who truly should not be in one of these put some serious miles and depreciation on it over the summer instead of punting via an OPC, send me a PM!

[av185]

Cheib said:

Tom Hartley Jr has just posted that this car has sold...I imagine close to asking given it’s been up for about a week. £149k. That price reflects the steel brakes and marmite red interior against the Miami Blue exterior I think.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKtrcQg6Hn/?utm_sourc...

Yep fair price.

Would be £160k with ceramics.

[av185]

throt said:

av185 said:

As for mine it's a keeper as like I say imo this car is the sweet spot in Ps lineup and on a different level to the gen 1 and fairly irreplaceable at the money especially in 'manuel' form.

+1,
Mine is too.

I do have what appears to be the "ideal spec", in other words, what the majority visualise a GT3 to be, or, should be.

I see a .2 at Reading the other week and it had the standard SS's, which just didn't look right. I had the standard SS's in my Gen1 and I did always regret it.

Jmo though.

Mine is PDK though, but I love it.

Pleased to hear you are enjoying yours too K.

Did you go white like your gen 1? I did.

[throt]

av185 said:

throt said:

av185 said:

As for mine it's a keeper as like I say imo this car is the sweet spot in Ps lineup and on a different level to the gen 1 and fairly irreplaceable at the money especially in 'manuel' form.

+1,
Mine is too.

I do have what appears to be the "ideal spec", in other words, what the majority visualise a GT3 to be, or, should be.

I see a .2 at Reading the other week and it had the standard SS's, which just didn't look right. I had the standard SS's in my Gen1 and I did always regret it.

Jmo though.

Mine is PDK though, but I love it.

Pleased to hear you are enjoying yours too K.

Did you go white like your gen 1? I did.

Yes, white. Classic GT3 choice, buddy.

[GT4RS]

nw942 said:

GT4RS said:

We have discussed this before the cars not imported it’s a genuine Uk car supplied new by OPC Cardiff.

I’m not disagreeing correct spec is essential, but what you class as a correct spec could / would be total different to another buyer. As you say ceramic brakes on a gt4 don’t really carry much of a premium anymore IMO the same is happening on GT3 cars, there a nice to have to get the deal done as long as the cars priced right.

It’s shown over the last 6 months these cars need to be priced competitively with a reasonable spec to stand any chance of selling. Selling a car for overs is a tough game for many at the moment and traders / dealers and flippers are aware of this.

Are you thinking of selling your gt3, if so what do you fancy changing it to? Tough choice as it’s a great car for the money.

Any reason he doesn't SOR it through Cardiff OPC? Clearly he'll get less, but have more chance of sellling it.

And he'll stay in the game for the next car (assuming he wants to).

Ive also asked that same question, clearly there’s a reason why.

[angussampson]

Blowfish said:

Where do you guys think prices are at now for manual well specced 991.2 GT3?

The cars advertised for sale seem to be pretty much the same ones for last 4 months...

I think we can safely assume that dealers are offering the private sellers less than they have advertised their cars for as they to sell them privately.

It’s for example someone is advertising their car for say, 138 k or £142 k privately, we must therefore presume that the dealer is offering them less than that . If I was a dealer and I was shelling out cash for such a car which has been not going up in price in the last year but in fact going the other way, presumably their offer would be at least 10k I’m guessing 15 k less, so that means 128k or 142k...Now given the fact that these cars haven’t sold they are for today’s market too expensive. I’m not in the car trade but I know if I was investing money in one of these cars to make a profit getting by how many there are on the market I’ll be looking for a pretty large margin. It is a very illiquid car as we can see they don’t change hands very much. Seemingly very reasonable cars I’ve been on sale for a long time. If I wasn’t paying cash for the car to take it into stock I very happily advertise it for exactly the same price as everyone else, and that’s probably why most cars are within a pound or two of each other, As we all know if you’re selling a house you don’t tend to give it to the person who is going to Market it for the least money, at least in the first instance...

Even if a car is sold, unless you know what it is so that I suggest it’s impossible to even have a reasonable stab at how much it was sold for, with an accuracy of 10-15k... What I can tell you is that if you bought a car now and decided to trade it in in a weeks time you would be sitting on quite a loss if you need to sell it in any reasonable timeframe...The fact that there are a few threads out there talking about this shows that prices are ahead of where they should be. As others have said if you can afford to Lose 30k in year and enjoy 5-10 k amazing miles in it, you are probably going to be safe, and I emphasise, probably.

I honestly cannot see any reason why the cars are holding a premium above the price at which they were new. I think there is too much FOMO from sellers, whom assume the cars are selling at quite sizeable overs . I think sellers are probably assuming that they need to put theirs at the same price as everyone else’s because that’s what they’re selling at, Except we can see even great cars being sold privately, seem to be sticking around. The same can be said for the retail cars.

Edited by angussampson on Thursday 25th April 00:12

[Racer26]

av185 said:

Yep fair price.

Would be £160k with ceramics.

I might be wrong, but think that car is an import and not C16. So Km speedo, inferior warranty?
If so, it's a strong price, and reflects a market that is firming up. Or maybe that was always going to happen in spring.
The steel brake v carbon brakes debate is purely subjective. Both are fantastic.

[Cheib]

angussampson said:

I honestly cannot see any reason why the cars are holding a premium above the price at which they were new. I think there is too much FOMO from sellers, whom assume the cars are selling at quite sizeable overs . I think sellers are probably assuming that they need to put theirs at the same price as everyone else’s because that’s what they’re selling at, Except we can see even great cars being sold privately, seem to be sticking around. The same can be said for the retail cars.

Edited by angussampson on Thursday 25th April 00:12

The reason they’re holding a premium is top spec cars are selling. Romans, THJ, Top555, OPC Leeds (thread on here started by the buyer) have all sold cars within the last month and all relatively quickly. If the spec is lacking any of PCCB’s, 918 Buckets, Lift, CS, LED’s they really struggle to sell....but that’s what everyone expected when they were ordering cars a year ago....it’s not a surprise.

[franki68]

Cheib said:

The reason they’re holding a premium is top spec cars are selling. Romans, THJ, Top555, OPC Leeds (thread on here started by the buyer) have all sold cars within the last month and all relatively quickly. If the spec is lacking any of PCCB’s, 918 Buckets, Lift, CS, LED’s they really struggle to sell....but that’s what everyone expected when they were ordering cars a year ago....it’s not a surprise.

full comfort spec cars have sold very quick ,there are few if any for sale and they don’t hang around .

[Cheib]

angussampson said:

I honestly cannot see any reason why the cars are holding a premium above the price at which they were new. I think there is too much FOMO from sellers, whom assume the cars are selling at quite sizeable overs . I think sellers are probably assuming that they need to put theirs at the same price as everyone else’s because that’s what they’re selling at, Except we can see even great cars being sold privately, seem to be sticking around. The same can be said for the retail cars.

Edited by angussampson on Thursday 25th April 00:12

The reason they’re holding a premium is top spec cars are selling. Romans, THJ, Top555, OPC Leeds (thread on here started by the buyer) have all sold cars within the last month and all relatively quickly. If the spec is lacking any of PCCB’s, 918 Buckets, Lift, CS, LED’s they really struggle to sell....but that’s what everyone expected when they were ordering cars a year ago....it’s not a surprise. Look at 997 GT3’s CS cars with buckets sell a lot quicker than comforts. Thing is because there’s so much more spec on a 991 than a 997 they’re even more sensitive to spec.

[av185]

Racer26 said:

av185 said:

Yep fair price.

Would be £160k with ceramics.

I might be wrong, but think that car is an import and not C16. So Km speedo, inferior warranty?
If so, it's a strong price, and reflects a market that is firming up. Or maybe that was always going to happen in spring.
The steel brake v carbon brakes debate is purely subjective. Both are fantastic.

Yep the price does suggest the market is typically firming up as Summer beckons especially with the colour combination and if the car is not c16.

I agree both brakes are fantastic. I had steels on my gen 1 GT3 which was an easy sell at 2 years old but the market has changed ss buyers view the gen 2 on a par with the gen 1 RS and the gen 2 GT3 now needs ceramics same as the GT3 RS demanded by the majority of buyers as they rightly see steel braked cars as a hard sell and commanding a difference in price way exceeding the extra ceramic option cost new.

[Flat0ut]

av185 said:

I agree both brakes are fantastic. I had steels on my gen 1 GT3 which was an easy sell at 2 years old but the market has changed ss buyers view the gen 2 on a par with the gen 1 RS and the gen 2 GT3 now needs ceramics same as the GT3 RS demanded by the majority of buyers as they rightly see steel braked cars as a hard sell and commanding a difference in price way exceeding the extra ceramic option cost new.

Interestingly there is a Poll of 500 US owners on Rennlist at the moment on how many 991 GT3.1 and .2 have PCCB or Steel brakes and it is virtually 50% on each variant so the obessesion with it must have PCCB's seems to be a UK thing. Its a bit like the front axel lift option - you don't really need it (I live in London with lots of speed bumps but use it rarely) but trying to sell a car without it is difficult. PCCBs especially on the 991.2 now seem to be specced on the majority of GT3's - its a easy choice for the first owner but can get costly as the car gets older and changes hands.