What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?

[Dammit]

Farage made a lot of noise, but Cameron let him be relevant:

-- 2006: 3% of voters considered Europe an important issue

-- 2010: 6%

-- 2013: 6%

-- 2019: 60%.

If Cameron hadn't tried to appease the lunatics in his own party Farage would still be purely a figure of fun.

Now, post-referendum, I agree he is a pivotal politician - possibly one of the most impactful of the current period, whilst also being a grubby little facist. One doesn't preclude the other, just as he was both a politician and a metals trader at the same time.

[Digga]

Dammit said:

Farage made a lot of noise, but Cameron let him be relevant:

-- 2006: 3% of voters considered Europe an important issue

-- 2010: 6%

-- 2013: 6%

-- 2019: 60%.

If Cameron hadn't tried to appease the lunatics in his own party Farage would still be purely a figure of fun.

Now, post-referendum, I agree he is a pivotal politician - possibly one of the most impactful of the current period, whilst also being a grubby little facist. One doesn't preclude the other, just as he was both a politician and a metals trader at the same time.

You give the spam-faced C3PO replica PM far more credit than he is due. Probably Farage too.They were both convenient but not necessarily necessary.

The issue was developing in parallel to all of this. it was apparent outside of the metro-elite, bien pensant areas to anyone who cared to look and had a finger on the pulse.

[Dammit]

So you'd have no problems at all providing some evidence of this?

Given that the polling of voters attitudes was (and is) nationwide, your assertion would presumably be that people lied to YouGov etc?

Edited by Dammit on Friday 20th September 13:21

[Digga]

Dammit said:

So you'd have no problems at all providing some evidence of this?

Given that the polling of voters attitudes was (and is) nationwide, your assertion would presumably be that people lied to YouGov etc?

Edited by Dammit on Friday 20th September 13:21

Well let's be clear, how accurate have polls been, plus, how wildly different was the Referendum vote to the mainstream expectation?

You cannot provide 'evidence' of hearing different things than others. Either you are connected to the wider reality, or you are not. You cannot argue that much of the UK was insulated from the actual, overall zeitgeist?

I'm not using this as an endorsement or condemnation of any politician or party in particular, but all this is a long way from the thread.

[Dammit]

No, sorry - that's not good enough. You can't make an assertion that directly contradicts the available evidence, then say that it has to be accepted anyway.

[Taffy66]

Dammit said:

Yet Wales as a country benefited the most from the EU (despite what you saw as featherbedding) and will be struck incredibly hard by the withdrawal of the EU funding, whilst at the same time Airbus leaves and the farmers can't sell their produce.

You didn't really think that one through, I suspect.

I assume your a staunch Remainer..Wales did receive more than their fair share of Euro handouts under Objective 1 funding over a very long period..My point is that the vast majority of this money was wasted by incompetent politicians and over charging consultants and advisers..The result of all this was ever increasing poverty where since 1998 the GDP/capita has reduced from 75% of the EU average to less then 60%..The only people which got fat were corrupt officials,consultants and crooked developers..
In terms of where farmers will sell their wares, we have over 65 million greedy consumers within our shores..We are only around 50% self sufficient in food due to complacency and being over dependant on other EU countries especially Ireland and Poland..
When things are broken then things need mending and Brexit will allow that to happen free from the shackles of non elected EU bureaucrats.
As you can plainly see, i have thought it through..Living in London masks what goes on the real world IMO.

[Dammit]

You've decided to solve the problem of a greedy and incompetent Welsh Assembly, and a populace that are suffering from a lack of investment by voting to starve the Assembly, and Wales, of money?

You are (and I think this is common to the majority) blaming UK problems on the EU, and then acting in the most damaging and self destructive way possible.

Our problems are our own - and isolating ourselves will simply increase them.

Yellow491 is a case in point - the minimum wage is a UK thing, it's not EU legislation.

Edited by Dammit on Friday 20th September 14:21

[breadvan]

We could soon find ourselves with .1 GT3 RS, .2 GT3 and GT4 RS all competing around the same used price point.

I’ve no idea where my money would go, probably GT4.

[breadvan]

Let’s hope this thread stays on topic......

[Taffy66]

Dammit said:

You've decided to solve the problem of a greedy and incompetent Welsh Assembly, and a populace that are suffering from a lack of investment by voting to starve the Assembly, and Wales, of money?

Could you show your working, because at the moment your actions make absolutely no sense.

See also: driving all welsh hill farmers out of business.

Actually i am a welsh hill farmer and have been more successful than most due to acting on opportunities and being able to foresee growing trends..I'm very confident we as an industry will be better off after Brexit..

[Dammit]

Well, it would appear that the correct price for a 991.2 is your dignity and reputation for analytical thought, so it's kind of relevant.

[Dammit]

Taffy66 said:

Actually i am a welsh hill farmer and have been more successful than most due to acting on opportunities and being able to foresee growing trends..I'm very confident we as an industry will be better off after Brexit..

By taking large EU subsidies and then selling into the single market? Let us all know how you get on with that next year.

[Dammit]

Taffy66 said:

Actually i am a welsh hill farmer and have been more successful than most due to acting on opportunities and being able to foresee growing trends..I'm very confident we as an industry will be better off after Brexit..

"Mr Roberts referenced new research, published last week by Hybu Cig Cymru, the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB), Quality Meat Scotland (QMS) and commissioned by the Andersons Centre.

It calculates that combined beef and sheepmeat exports to the EU could decline by 92.5% with lamb export trade “almost completely wiped out”, which would hit market prices badly."

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/no-deal-b...

[Taffy66]

Dammit said:

Let us all know how you get on with that next year.

You tell us how France will cope without its 1.3B Euros of wine to the UK annually..Second only to the US and ahead of China to the tune of 300M Euros..And while your at it how about the German Business minister when its third largest importer of German cars no longer wants them..
We'll have a free trade deal in place by Oct 31 simply because the whole Eurozone area will be in deep depression if not..
Anyway i'm off to the pub to spend my Euro subsidies and support the local economy..I suggest you do the same..!

[Digga]

breadvan said:

We could soon find ourselves with .1 GT3 RS, .2 GT3 and GT4 RS all competing around the same used price point.

I’ve no idea where my money would go, probably GT4.

It's interesting when values collide/coincide.

When I bought my 997 GT3, this was happening with the (first, original) GT4 's.

I look at the 991.1 GT3 RS an think they are a good deal really.

[Yellow491]

Taffy66 said:

You tell us how France will cope without its 1.3B Euros of wine to the UK annually..Second only to the US and ahead of China to the tune of 300M Euros..And while your at it how about the German Business minister when its third largest importer of German cars no longer wants them..
We'll have a free trade deal in place by Oct 31 simply because the whole Eurozone area will be in deep depression if not..
Anyway i'm off to the pub to spend my Euro subsidies and support the local economy..I suggest you do the same..!

I reckon the welsh should pay all the money they have squandered back to the english:-)

I have no problem with min wage if the big picture was actually thought about,a business man would think first we have to make more profit to pay more wages simples!
It could be worse working in germany ,a friend who ran a car restoration company in germany had his tax upto 60% and not a big earner,germany is only just treading water,so they need us! ,but on our terms would be good.

[Digga]

Taffy66 said:

Anyway i'm off to the pub to spend my Euro subsidies and support the local economy..I suggest you do the same..!

If they have Rev. James on draught I am jealous.

Enjoy!

[Dammit]

Taffy66 said:

You tell us how France will cope without its 1.3B Euros of wine to the UK annually..Second only to the US and ahead of China to the tune of 300M Euros..And while your at it how about the German Business minister when its third largest importer of German cars no longer wants them..
We'll have a free trade deal in place by Oct 31 simply because the whole Eurozone area will be in deep depression if not..
Anyway i'm off to the pub to spend my Euro subsidies and support the local economy..I suggest you do the same..!

Well, I admire your optimism - it's very "early 2017". Sadly it's totally unfounded, but hey - we're sick of experts I am reliably informed.

For e,g the UK government have said that we'll apply no tariffs to inbound goods - which includes French wine, German cars, and lamb and beef from all over the world. We've also said that we won't sign up to the level playing field requirements that the EU require - so there's currently zero chance of an FTA.

Enjoy your visit to 'spoons, and enjoy your £0.20 per pint Brexit dividend - I suspect it's the only one you'll ever see.

[Porsche911R]

Dammit said:

, and lamb and beef from all over the world. ver see.

this is the bit which pisses me off, we have enough Lamb and Beef in the UK to supply all UK demand, And with CO2 and climate change even higher up the tree than Brexit, we need to eat UK products imo and not even entertain importing such items.

We fit a petrol filter to our cars then ship a sheep 1/2 way round the world, it's madness. and proves the UK is not serious about such matters.
Every thing in any subject is a farce and based around greed.

[av185]

breadvan said:

We could soon find ourselves with .1 GT3 RS, .2 GT3 and GT4 RS all competing around the same used price point.

I’ve no idea where my money would go, probably GT4.

Can't imagine there will be a GT4 RS.