The 992 GT3 might be arriving later than you think!

[browngt3]

av185 said:

browngt3 said:

So to get this thread back on topic, how many 991.2 GT3 owners are considering the 992? Provided Porsche will let you have one of course

I remain unconvinced the 992 will better the 991.2 in the areas which I demand essentially as a fast road car.

It is hard to see especially with the killjoy regs etc how the engine in the 991.2 could be bettered in terms of power delivery induction noise and character. And mine has a stock exhaust.

In fact my only gripe with the car is the clutch is too light but I can live with that.

My thinking too. However, if it really is going to be the last n/a GT3 that could be if interest. However, as you say, at the end of the day what will it be like as a road car? It will be a 'better' car but will it be more charismatic? Judging by the, albeit disguised, prototypes I'm not sure the looks will be improved either.

[av185]

browngt3 said:

av185 said:

browngt3 said:

So to get this thread back on topic, how many 991.2 GT3 owners are considering the 992? Provided Porsche will let you have one of course

I remain unconvinced the 992 will better the 991.2 in the areas which I demand essentially as a fast road car.

It is hard to see especially with the killjoy regs etc how the engine in the 991.2 could be bettered in terms of power delivery induction noise and character. And mine has a stock exhaust.

In fact my only gripe with the car is the clutch is too light but I can live with that.

My thinking too. However, if it really is going to be the last n/a GT3 that could be if interest. However, as you say, at the end of the day what will it be like as a road car? It will be a 'better' car but will it be more charismatic? Judging by the, albeit disguised, prototypes I'm not sure the looks will be improved either.

Personally I am not a fan of the rear end treatment which similar to the new GT4 looks way too bulky furthermore whilst the front track is clearly wider with the splayed front arches this results in less aesthetic presence from the traditional 911 fat arse.

Factor in further dilution of traditional 911 interior aspects in the name of tech progress etc and previously mentioned sublime noise and character killing filter and exhaust regs and the probability of up to a 1000 UK cars this time and the attractions of the 992 look less compelling than the 991.2.

[Gitana991]

browngt3 said:

My thinking too. However, if it really is going to be the last n/a GT3 that could be if interest. However, as you say, at the end of the day what will it be like as a road car? It will be a 'better' car but will it be more charismatic? Judging by the, albeit disguised, prototypes I'm not sure the looks will be improved either.

If offered one I would probably go for it. I loved the 991.2 GT3 so much when I had it. It felt like 90 percent of a 3 RS but I felt less concerned about taking her out. Now it will be interesting as well to see what regs do to it and cars I. General. There Is a massive shift going on. Which is probably why owning a GT from the current 991 range feels safe beyond the tremendous joy it provides. Just want to jump out of bed and drive!

[angussampson]

Juno said:

This is all very well but the ability to get hold of one will be the major stumbling block. As I have just had a GT3RS allocation I am NOT expecting to be able to get the 992 GT3

However I am very very happy with the incoming GREEN MONSTER

Congratulations on getting your allocation. Clearly a pleasant surprise as you weren’t expecting it :-)

What do you reckon you ‘had to do to get it ?’ I think you bought a 991 .1 AND a 991.2 from Mayfair to get a place ? Anything in addition ?

[Juno]

angussampson said:

Juno said:

This is all very well but the ability to get hold of one will be the major stumbling block. As I have just had a GT3RS allocation I am NOT expecting to be able to get the 992 GT3

However I am very very happy with the incoming GREEN MONSTER

Congratulations on getting your allocation. Clearly a pleasant surprise as you weren’t expecting it :-)

What do you reckon you ‘had to do to get it ?’ I think you bought a 991 .1 AND a 991.2 from Mayfair to get a place ? Anything in addition ?

Thank you

Yes that’s correct and I haven’t bought other models,I’ve always said from the outset I was only interested in GT Cars

I placed my first order in 2015 so it’s been a long road.

I don’t know the actual answer as to why I got an allocation but would guess the dealer can clearly see I am an enthusiast of the GT cars purchasing two used ones while waiting in the queue for a new car.

I have to say the dealer has been very good with the cars supplied to me in terms of both service and price!

I have a really good relationship with the dealer who have never over promised or tried to force me to purchase cars I don’t want.

That’s about it and I’m very happy

[browngt3]

Mad Scientist said:

That’s nice, but nothing to do with the original post.

We should get this subforum renamed “let’s continuously talk about allocations” or maybe “GT cars only used on the road to people who wouldn’t be interested in them if they lost 40% after 3 years”.

Yes, I’m bitter, and busy packing for a track day.

Back on topic, you’d think we would see the 992 GT3 in 2020/2021 for 2021 deliveries based on previous generations wouldn’t you?

Yes, we will see the new GT3 at Geneva 2021 with deliveries commencing soon after. And complete with automatic speed limiters so a maximum speed of 70mph for us Brits!

[Taffy66]

browngt3 said:

Yes, we will see the new GT3 at Geneva 2021 with deliveries commencing soon after. And complete with automatic speed limiters so a maximum speed of 70mph for us Brits!

There is one huge silver lining to the dark cloud of the mandatory speed limiters..well at least in my case anyway..!
It'll stop me from chasing the latest best ever Porsche GT and entice me to keep my existing RS..Another plus is is can spend my money on older more involving GT Porsches..I've actually started looking at 996GT3s but still undecided on the 996.1GT3 versus 996.2GT3.

[Juno]

Mad Scientist said:

That’s nice, but nothing to do with the original post.

We should get this subforum renamed “let’s continuously talk about allocations” or maybe “GT cars only used on the road to people who wouldn’t be interested in them if they lost 40% after 3 years”.

Yes, I’m bitter, and busy packing for a track day.

Back on topic, you’d think we would see the 992 GT3 in 2020/2021 for 2021 deliveries based on previous generations wouldn’t you?

I've been buying Porsche's since the 1980's so I'm not a new money entrant

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th May 12:50

[Juno]

Taffy66 said:

browngt3 said:

Yes, we will see the new GT3 at Geneva 2021 with deliveries commencing soon after. And complete with automatic speed limiters so a maximum speed of 70mph for us Brits!

There is one huge silver lining to the dark cloud of the mandatory speed limiters..well at least in my case anyway..!
It'll stop me from chasing the latest best ever Porsche GT and entice me to keep my existing RS..Another plus is is can spend my money on older more involving GT Porsches..I've actually started looking at 996GT3s but still undecided on the 996.1GT3 versus 996.2GT3.

Bloody hell Taffy I've been in and out of the 996 classifieds for weeks,Is it contagious

[browngt3]

Taffy66 said:

There is one huge silver lining to the dark cloud of the mandatory speed limiters..well at least in my case anyway..!
It'll stop me from chasing the latest best ever Porsche GT and entice me to keep my existing RS..Another plus is is can spend my money on older more involving GT Porsches..I've actually started looking at 996GT3s but still undecided on the 996.1GT3 versus 996.2GT3.

I really miss my 996.2 GT3 but it had to make way for the 991. Would have kept it otherwise. I had it for 12 years! Miss the gear change, more involving steering, nicer clutch feel. The most alive car I ever owned. Particularly noticeable when I got in it after a long time driving something else. It's so tempting to go back but too many other things to try. Ferrari for example

[hunter 66]

Had a 996.2 GT3 and have a 991.2 RS , now as well as still race an 01 996 GT3RS ... and the real defining aspect is the brilliant PDK .

[browngt3]

anonymous said:

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That's actually quite a difficult question to answer! They are quite different. It's too close to call. However, I can say the 991 is the superior road car due to a far more compliant chassis and I much prefer it on some of the rough roads we have. But, on a particularly fast up hill section near where I live I remember the 996 the most. The way it dug in at maximum attack and getting the gear change right was deeply satisfying. When I think about it the rewards were definitely greater but you had to work at it!

I actually prefer the engine sound in the 991 compared to the old car though. Took her out earlier and that engine on full song is shocking. Like Thors hammer tearing through the stratosphere!!

[av185]

browngt3 said:

I actually prefer the engine sound in the 991 compared to the old car though. Took her out earlier and that engine on full song is shocking. Like Thors hammer tearing through the stratosphere!!

I agree and the induction noises are utterly addictive.

Interesting to note that this week's Autocars test of the Speedster says that unfortunately due to filters etc alot of the original characterful noises of the 991.2 Gt3 engine have been lost despite the Speedster being a cab.

As already mentioned this doesn't bode well for the 992 GT3.

[browngt3]

Yeah, I'm guessing the 992 will sound a lot like the Speedster. But we live in hope. The GT3 's noise is one of its USPs afterall.

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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For me it’s no contest, I hated the 996 and think the 991.2 in Manual is as perfect a car as one can make.

The 996 made a pretty st road car on all accounts.

991.2 is much harder to drive also and demands more brain work due to how manic it is.
The 996 cannot match it in any way and only comes to its own on track.

It’s not all good news, modern cars are too fast.

I have ordered a 30th Ed mx5, lsd, big brakes, forged wheels, recaros, all for £28k

Why own a RS ?

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 19th May 22:03

[browngt3]

Porsche911R said:

anonymous said:

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For me it’s no contest, I hated the 996 and think the 991.2 in Manual is as perfect a car as one can make.

The 996 made a pretty st road car on all accounts.

991.2 is much harder to drive also and demands more brain work due to how manic it is.
The 996 cannot match it in any way and only comes to its own on track.

It’s not all good news, modern cars are too fast.

I have ordered a 30th Ed mx5, lsd, big brakes, forged wheels, recaros, all for £28k

Why own a RS ?

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 19th May 22:03

Well there is 14 years difference in technological development. Can't see how the 991.2 is much harder to drive. I would say its the opposite. The 996 is totally analogue, no traction control, rws etc. Having said that, it might be a different matter in the wet. But that's down to the MPS cups on the modern car. I've had a wagging tail much more often with the 991 but is easily controllable. Again down to the safety net.

[RDMcG]

Will wait for the 992RS. It is different on this side of the pond maybe, but have a deposit down on one. Will keep my existing RS pair though

. I think it will be my last one due to age, but been an amazing run.

[RBT0]

av185 said:

browngt3 said:

I actually prefer the engine sound in the 991 compared to the old car though. Took her out earlier and that engine on full song is shocking. Like Thors hammer tearing through the stratosphere!!

I agree and the induction noises are utterly addictive.

Interesting to note that this week's Autocars test of the Speedster says that unfortunately due to filters etc alot of the original characterful noises of the 991.2 Gt3 engine have been lost despite the Speedster being a cab.

As already mentioned this doesn't bode well for the 992 GT3.

Oh st, I’ve missed this, it is not going to look good for 992 GT3.

Suspect the same for the GT4?

They managed to sell the exhaust thinghy as weight save, but hears don’t lie!

[Porsche911R]

browngt3 said:

Well there is 14 years difference in technological development. Can't see how the 991.2 is much harder to drive. I would say its the opposite. The 996 is totally analogue, no traction control, rws etc. Having said that, it might be a different matter in the wet. But that's down to the MPS cups on the modern car. I've had a wagging tail much more often with the 991 but is easily controllable. Again down to the safety net.

996 was very predictable also I thought, maybe harder to drive for a noob so to speak, but not hard to drive if you can drive, if you see what I mean. Net result is its easier to drive over the limit than a 991.2 car Imo.

The 991.2 in Manual is a hand full, it has the torque to break traction if heavy footed, and has such speed the workload to drive it fast is very high due to the speeds you are going.
So you are breaking much earlier for the bends and hitting speeds much higher using the gears more often, in the 996 like my GT4 you can just about leave them in 3rd ! With the odd drop to 2nd. Where I would hit some bits max 120 in the 996, I am bottling out at 150plus in the 991.2 and then to haul it back down takes a lot of planning and effort. The work load is far higher driving the 991.2 at the speeds it does. Changing gear alone takes skill, the pickup at 7.5k is fast as ****, heal and toe needs skills as it feels like a single mass fw to me, you have to be fast on the down shifts, then you have to engage brain to do flat upshifts.

As I said in another thread, the racers dislike rws, it’s less predicable, I have not made my own mind up about RWS yet, but very happy I don’t own a car with the e- diff and PDK, those are the easy cars to pilot the cars does it all for you.

Goto the next 65 2.0l cup race, this weekend was Spa, very interesting format. Shame it's such an exclusive men’s clubs to get into. But they take some driving but again predictable.

I am hoping the 30th Ed mx5 will offer fun at sane speeds but still require the work load to be exciting on its little tyres.

Most fun cars I have owned is my Exige and my modded 987.2 Spyder at sub 100mph speeds. I also really liked hooning my old Clio Trophy about.

I don’t get the bun fight for super cars, bar they are free to own.
My next cars will be things like a mini GP, and an Elise , and the mx5 I have on order , not super cars.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 19th May 23:02

[Juno]

browngt3 said:

Porsche911R said:

anonymous said:

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For me it’s no contest, I hated the 996 and think the 991.2 in Manual is as perfect a car as one can make.

The 996 made a pretty st road car on all accounts.

991.2 is much harder to drive also and demands more brain work due to how manic it is.
The 996 cannot match it in any way and only comes to its own on track.

It’s not all good news, modern cars are too fast.

I have ordered a 30th Ed mx5, lsd, big brakes, forged wheels, recaros, all for £28k

Why own a RS ?

Why order BIG brakes,it would be much more interesting if you weren't able to stop!

I can think of a few good reasons!

Little brother and NA version of 991 GT2RS which is already hailed as one of Porsche’s best cars to date! This 2nd batch is the only 991 to date with WP so lightest version available!

Potentially one of best and maybe last NA RS products and even if it’s not the 992 is looking to lardy and bulky for me, plus I don’t like the interior

And

They were happy to sell me one,so what’s not to like





Plus I already have an eclectic bag of lightweight hooning crap!

Edited by Juno on Monday 20th May 07:50