911 ST backdate....

911 ST backdate....

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Taffy66

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5,964 posts

101 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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As per title what can some P'heads guys who are better informed tell me about them..I have been thinking of buying an 80s 911 Coupe and restoring it to ST spec but have absolutely no idea where to go or costs involved..I have seen a few for sale including Jay Kay's Condo green ST which might be a more cost effective option..I have also spotted another green 73 RS ducktail backdate for sale in Aberdeenshire for £69K which seems particularly good value albeit not my prefered ST..
The very first 911 i sat in back in 1979 was a green Coupe so from a nostalgia POV i really hanker after one..Another reason is that new Turbo 991s have got too big, fast and characterless for my liking..

993rsr

3,424 posts

248 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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First thing proceed with extreme caution, absolute minefield.

Second thing speak to Yellow491 and he will I’m sure stop you buying/building a pig in a poke and guide you accordingly.


JulierPass

641 posts

229 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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Go and talk to Tuthill, that's your best bet. You will end up spending circa 300 grand though and there's a lot more interesting things that can be done with that kind of cash!

C4ME

1,156 posts

210 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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I have been salivating over the Conda ST they have for sale at Sports Purpose. A real one and north of 300 but ooofff it is a lovely car.

Double gauche

316 posts

96 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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jzm are selling something similar

Cheib

23,112 posts

174 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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I’d really like one of these too....last week I saw a lovely freshly restored 356 Speedster...I now want one of them more! That’s probably the same money as getting Tuthill to build you an ST.

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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I would have thought that basing it on a period correct car is the way to go / something that is eligible for historic events

Something like these (I have no clue about the cars, just did a quick mobile.de search)

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...


https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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yep buy a real car of some sort.

back dates are an odd thing imo.

Cheib

23,112 posts

174 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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When I was looking at the Speedster the bloke who was showing it to me said the great thing about owning these older cars is the events that open up to you...not necessarily track events. There’s a big 356 members meet every year for example, next year’s is in Munich. I also recently met a bloke who owns a 1969 911 S...easier to say where he hasn’t been with that than where he has. He’s part of a group of 15 owners of pre 1970 911’s who do a major three month trip every couple of years.

Blue62

8,748 posts

151 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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JulierPass said:
Go and talk to Tuthill, that's your best bet. You will end up spending circa 300 grand though and there's a lot more interesting things that can be done with that kind of cash!
£300k!!!! When I looked into doing something similar (spoke to Tuthill and a couple of others) to a 964 C2, the build costs were somewhere between £80-100k depending on spec, plus the cost of the donor car, which at the time was £40-45k.

dinkel

26,887 posts

257 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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A backdate is a lovely thing. I racked up a few miles with the owner of this 1970 911S (2.2) which is lightened and properly set up and it's a thing of beauty.

I really can imagine back in the day there was not a car in the around 2 litre category which could match this piece of weapon. Yes, it starts to sing its tune at well over 4k but when it does it wants to make you break all the rules. Epic.

I recommend everyone with a wish for a retro, backdate or outlaw to have a go in an proper original car first before setting up a briefing.

Just my 2 pence.

Dr S

4,995 posts

225 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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dinkel said:

A backdate is a lovely thing. I racked up a few miles with the owner of this 1970 911S (2.2) which is lightened and properly set up and it's a thing of beauty.

I really can imagine back in the day there was not a car in the around 2 litre category which could match this piece of weapon. Yes, it starts to sing its tune at well over 4k but when it does it wants to make you break all the rules. Epic.

I recommend everyone with a wish for a retro, backdate or outlaw to have a go in an proper original car first before setting up a briefing.

Just my 2 pence.
Ooooh this looks lovely

JulierPass

641 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Blue62 said:
JulierPass said:
Go and talk to Tuthill, that's your best bet. You will end up spending circa 300 grand though and there's a lot more interesting things that can be done with that kind of cash!
£300k!!!! When I looked into doing something similar (spoke to Tuthill and a couple of others) to a 964 C2, the build costs were somewhere between £80-100k depending on spec, plus the cost of the donor car, which at the time was £40-45k.
The quote I had was significantly more than yours! I suppose it depends on what you ask them for.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Looks like there is a proper S to ST spec with FIA papers at Hairpin Co?

Alternatively not an ST but this RS rep looks interesting and doesn't seem too expensive. I'd love to put lots of miles on it. Been for sale for ages so maybe worth cheeky bid? wink

https://www.rufautomobile.co.uk/porsche-911-carrer...


alfapork

294 posts

101 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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IMI A said:
Looks like there is a proper S to ST spec with FIA papers at Hairpin Co?

Alternatively not an ST but this RS rep looks interesting and doesn't seem too expensive. I'd love to put lots of miles on it. Been for sale for ages so maybe worth cheeky bid? wink

https://www.rufautomobile.co.uk/porsche-911-carrer...
For 100k I'd want it to look a bit more authentic - especially the dash and dials etc. which appear to be from a much much later car.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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alfapork said:
IMI A said:
Looks like there is a proper S to ST spec with FIA papers at Hairpin Co?

Alternatively not an ST but this RS rep looks interesting and doesn't seem too expensive. I'd love to put lots of miles on it. Been for sale for ages so maybe worth cheeky bid? wink

https://www.rufautomobile.co.uk/porsche-911-carrer...
For 100k I'd want it to look a bit more authentic - especially the dash and dials etc. which appear to be from a much much later car.
Yes too much at £100k. At £75k I think I'd maybe run out of reasons not to purchase. Wouldn't be difficult to source an early dash or convert to ST spec - far easier than a back date I'd imagine and more authentic too biggrin

Dammit

3,790 posts

207 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Asking the owner to take a £25,000 haircut might make for an interesting conversation.

Taffy66

Original Poster:

5,964 posts

101 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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IMI A said:
Yes too much at £100k. At £75k I think I'd maybe run out of reasons not to purchase. Wouldn't be difficult to source an early dash or convert to ST spec - far easier than a back date I'd imagine and more authentic too biggrin
There is a very nice ST backdate in Blood orange for sale JZM for £120K..In a great colour and looks like to be in absolutely fantastic condition as you would expect with JZM.
The white one at Ruf looks like a nice RS copy which i like every bit as much as an ST especially with the ducktail.

evodarren

428 posts

133 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Cheib said:
When I was looking at the Speedster the bloke who was showing it to me said the great thing about owning these older cars is the events that open up to you...not necessarily track events. There’s a big 356 members meet every year for example, next year’s is in Munich. I also recently met a bloke who owns a 1969 911 S...easier to say where he hasn’t been with that than where he has. He’s part of a group of 15 owners of pre 1970 911’s who do a major three month trip every couple of years.
I have a 997.1 Gt3 which is as modern as I wish to go for a weekend fun car.
I Alison love the 356 Speedster. I cannot a ford a real one so I brought the most accurate reproduction replica I could find. It is made by Vintage Speedsters in Arizona. They build them in there own factory. No home build kits . It’s not super fast but it’s. real pleasure to drive when the suns out. More people ask me about the car than my Gt3.
A real feel good car.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Dammit said:
Asking the owner to take a £25,000 haircut might make for an interesting conversation.
Had a similar conversation on a similar car. A rep is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Bought it smile