992 GT3RS

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Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Wednesday 7th September 2022
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993rsr said:
laugh
You've just given me a clue but I can't speak from experience.
I had some laps with Tim Harvey in his 991.2RS WP Manthey at Donnington last month who is in a different league. Johnny Cocker is another pro who is mind boggingly fast in his Neptune Blue 991.2GT2 RS MR. Both these guys are top ranking racing drivers and make some of the self appointed driving gods on here seem like rank amateurs.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Wednesday 7th September 2022
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13PDJ said:
I am only having a bit of fun, so please don’t take it personally!

It’s true about the 992 GT3 (pistonheads Porsche expert) at Silverstone though! Obviously it wasn’t you!

Anyway Porsche do not go backwards with comparative models, so the 992 RS will be a step above your car. So if you end up getting one in the future put your y-fronts and helmets in the back and live the dream!
You've narrowed it down to about ten 992GT3 owners on here laugh

Even so, if I was offered a 992RS slot I'd still grab it with welcome arms.clap My concern would be just because I tend to keep my GT Porsches longer than most and the lack of boot space would grate on me unless I trailer it.

RDMcG

19,093 posts

206 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Taffy66 said:
You've narrowed it down to about ten 992GT3 owners on here laugh

Even so, if I was offered a 992RS slot I'd still grab it with welcome arms.clap My concern would be just because I tend to keep my GT Porsches longer than most and the lack of boot space would grate on me unless I trailer it.
Absolutely. I have been trying to figure out how to do factory pickup- I usually go to a Porsche event in Austria, ( non-track) and then a bit of touring between track days. This worked just fine with the 997 and 991. (soft bags of course). I had folding LWBs on the 7.2 so it meant that it was not too difficult to stuff some bags in the back, but they cancelled that option. I do have a good trailer at home so that can be managed. All good for local track days but very compromised otherwise.

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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This is a really interesting conversation.

Everybody who wants to improve their car control and pace on track, once they know their car, should want to take coaching. This is a major plus of the Porsche Club trackdays. It pays dividends in so many areas ... not least of which is reduced consumable costs.

Without coaching, most drivers currently on trackdays will not be able to properly capitalise on the improvements that Porsche are building into the new cars with the status quo according to insurance companies being that more cars are being crashed and at significantly greater cost. QED .. a dearth of trackday insurance.

Accepted with a some exceptions, many of the people currently "able" to buy the latest and best Porsche track-cars (they are far too fast to be road cars !) ... appear not to be serious about learning how to use them, making their allocation a serious frustration for those who would. Evidence the number of cars with more owners than miles under their wheels and the consequential corruption of the sporting intent of these cars.

If they wanted, Porsche could do something about this. The dealers have only their own self-interest.

There is no logic in a nearly new car being more valuable that a brand new one ... other than possibly beating a legitimate manufacturing time to spec.

Is this the reason why why there is so little traffic on this thread ?




I believe that one day Porsche will look back and wonder how they allowed this to happen ... so many turned-off Porsche trackday enthusiasts that it took a decade or more to build up ??

Whatever happened to the band of 964RS "nutters" that used to go touring the tracks in their £40k cars that cost so little to run ? The GT4 was their natural home, and now the GT4RS is strictly for ???

Apologies for the rant, but my OPC just IS NOT REMOTELY INTERESTED ..... frown

chrisABP

1,112 posts

147 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Taffy66 said:
You've just given me a clue but I can't speak from experience.
I had some laps with Tim Harvey in his 991.2RS WP Manthey at Donnington last month who is in a different league. Johnny Cocker is another pro who is mind boggingly fast in his Neptune Blue 991.2GT2 RS MR. Both these guys are top ranking racing drivers and make some of the self appointed driving gods on here seem like rank amateurs.
We all think we can drive a bit - but the eye opener is that glorious moment that you sit alongside someone who can really pedal a car and the harsh reality hits you that 99% of us can drive, but not in the same way the quick guys can.
I've been very lucky to sit alongside some pro drivers and they leave you in absolute awe of their skillset - it's the reminder a lot of us need.
Read a recent article from an EVO journalist (JB maybe?) who can drive and has been out with some quick pro drivers, he spoke about a run in a Ferrari with Carlos Sainz driving and described it other Worldly.

isaldiri

18,406 posts

167 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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ChrisW. said:
I believe that one day Porsche will look back and wonder how they allowed this to happen ... so many turned-off Porsche trackday enthusiasts that it took a decade or more to build up ??

Whatever happened to the band of 964RS "nutters" that used to go touring the tracks in their £40k cars that cost so little to run ? The GT4 was their natural home, and now the GT4RS is strictly for ???
Um....it's more likely that Porsche will look back and nod sagely at what they actually did do.

The trackday enthusiasts and 964 nutters simply do not exist in large enough numbers for Porsche to need to appease and cater for compared to the wider market of people who are clamouring for cars and are more than happy to play the game to do so. GT car sales are a very small fraction of PAG overall revenues. If Porsche were mainly reliant on the former group for sales, they would have folded years ago.

MeisterH

828 posts

100 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Not willy waving .. i am an ex-Superbike racer and i know how to get the most of my skillset out of a GT product, i do agree having been on track with a fair few owners over the last few years, some to a few track day experience, other with little, the cars are really doing the work and most are passenger that have probably played Granturismo Silverstone track more than actually been on it! they drive like there playing a PS5 game! Nice guys, but most wouldn't know how to get themselves out of trouble if a high speed incident happened on track.

Best thing money can buy is Track tuition, it doesn't matter what level you are it is money well spent and I'm an advocate for it.

Anyway back on topic.. The 3RS i have Spec'd, deposited and await timescales on delivery, i would expect we should see them from May onwards 2023

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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isaldiri said:
ChrisW. said:
I believe that one day Porsche will look back and wonder how they allowed this to happen ... so many turned-off Porsche trackday enthusiasts that it took a decade or more to build up ??

Whatever happened to the band of 964RS "nutters" that used to go touring the tracks in their £40k cars that cost so little to run ? The GT4 was their natural home, and now the GT4RS is strictly for ???
Um....it's more likely that Porsche will look back and nod sagely at what they actually did do.

The trackday enthusiasts and 964 nutters simply do not exist in large enough numbers for Porsche to need to appease and cater for compared to the wider market of people who are clamouring for cars and are more than happy to play the game to do so. GT car sales are a very small fraction of PAG overall revenues. If Porsche were mainly reliant on the former group for sales, they would have folded years ago.
I agree, the numbers are comparatively small and therefore it could have been no hardship for this cohort to be "appeased" from the range of suitable cars. Between the Club / the OPC's and the independents who have serviced and bought parts to maintain their cars, they could surely have been kept within the fold. Instead they are often treated as whistle blowers / trouble makers when in reality they are injured and potentially wasted. Or have they just suffered a very naughty local OPC ?

Just look at the lack of traffic on this topic ...

MDL111

6,891 posts

176 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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RDMcG said:
Absolutely. I have been trying to figure out how to do factory pickup- I usually go to a Porsche event in Austria, ( non-track) and then a bit of touring between track days. This worked just fine with the 997 and 991. (soft bags of course). I had folding LWBs on the 7.2 so it meant that it was not too difficult to stuff some bags in the back, but they cancelled that option. I do have a good trailer at home so that can be managed. All good for local track days but very compromised otherwise.
if you come to Austria please let me know and I'll meet you for a quick drive somewhere plus have a look at your car. I can bring the 996 along - pretty much the exact opposite of the 992 RS - low hp, no material driver aids, no power steering, tiny wheels and tyres, but a lot less weight too

TDT

4,910 posts

118 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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ChrisW. said:
isaldiri said:
ChrisW. said:
I believe that one day Porsche will look back and wonder how they allowed this to happen ... so many turned-off Porsche trackday enthusiasts that it took a decade or more to build up ??

Whatever happened to the band of 964RS "nutters" that used to go touring the tracks in their £40k cars that cost so little to run ? The GT4 was their natural home, and now the GT4RS is strictly for ???
Um....it's more likely that Porsche will look back and nod sagely at what they actually did do.

The trackday enthusiasts and 964 nutters simply do not exist in large enough numbers for Porsche to need to appease and cater for compared to the wider market of people who are clamouring for cars and are more than happy to play the game to do so. GT car sales are a very small fraction of PAG overall revenues. If Porsche were mainly reliant on the former group for sales, they would have folded years ago.
I agree, the numbers are comparatively small and therefore it could have been no hardship for this cohort to be "appeased" from the range of suitable cars. Between the Club / the OPC's and the independents who have serviced and bought parts to maintain their cars, they could surely have been kept within the fold. Instead they are often treated as whistle blowers / trouble makers when in reality they are injured and potentially wasted. Or have they just suffered a very naughty local OPC ?

Just look at the lack of traffic on this topic ...
I think both sides are valid….

Lack of traffic on this thread and the 4RS thread here are down to the fact that most people don’t have much shot at getting an early car and also that actually these top products are being purposefully constrained on supply here in the UK anyway.
Other regions have many more cars delivered for months… in the case of the 4RS… so this seems to be a UK specific thing.

Honestly I’d be thrilled to get on of these… but in actuality I don’t really care that much if I don’t… it’s not going to change my life and certainly not worth getting angry about. Hopefully I’ve got plenty of years left to experience the cars I like.

Porsche mothership won’t care…. they are far too successful, and have broken well free of any inertia or gravitational pull… and IPO is coming… so it does them well to create more and more pent up demand and a long order book.

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Tyrone, I'm sure you also are right ... will you buy into the IPO ?

I also have other cars to excite me and am therefore irritated rather than bruised, but if this is a problem that can be resolved, it must first be aired in good heart with prospective solutions ...

The current situation is not driving volume for the model / brand with a second eye to complementing Porsche heritage brand values ...

TDT

4,910 posts

118 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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I’d love to get a piece of the action! Lol.


Just on the side point of the ability of these new generation of cars and the competence of their owners/drivers, I’ve linked an excellent video of a 992 GT3 owner and his honest journey…



Edited by TDT on Thursday 15th September 09:25

RDMcG

19,093 posts

206 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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MDL111 said:
if you come to Austria please let me know and I'll meet you for a quick drive somewhere plus have a look at your car. I can bring the 996 along - pretty much the exact opposite of the 992 RS - low hp, no material driver aids, no power steering, tiny wheels and tyres, but a lot less weight too
Will do.

I would like to try to get to International Porsche Days at Zell am See again if I can. Porsche Club of Graz does it every two years.

When I was there in 2015 I had Dr. Wolfgang Porsche sign my then new new 991RSsmile....

MDL111

6,891 posts

176 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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RDMcG said:
Will do.

I would like to try to get to International Porsche Days at Zell am See again if I can. Porsche Club of Graz does it every two years.

When I was there in 2015 I had Dr. Wolfgang Porsche sign my then new new 991RSsmile....
very nice, I have never attended the Porsche days - should really do so at some point
I like Zell a lot and am there quite regularly, usually in Schloss Prielau - which incidentally belongs to the family

Jim1556

1,771 posts

155 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Taffy66 said:
The 992RS will be great on track in the right hands but for me personally too much money at £220k for a WP car.
Current 991.2 GT3 RS all seem to be £240k and above for a WP, not sure a 992 should be cheaper (as much as we all wish they were £100k and hundred sold)?

Taffy66 said:
It should be a chunk lighter than it is and will eat tyres if the aero is utilised to full effect.
Unless I'm mistaken (not unheard of), proper aero increases grip = less sliding = less wear. Not more - remember the Top Gear 24hr race when the front splitter came off? Massive understeer ensued...

throt

3,038 posts

169 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Taffy66 said:
My concern would be just because I tend to keep my GT Porsches longer than most
I thought you was about to type, after the above, " I will not get one " wink



Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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throt said:
I thought you was about to type, after the above, " I will not get one " wink
Very good point and probably true.biglaugh I'm happy with what I've got but like others I'd still gladly receive a 992RS if offered one.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Jim1556 said:
Unless I'm mistaken (not unheard of), proper aero increases grip = less sliding = less wear. Not more - remember the Top Gear 24hr race when the front splitter came off? Massive understeer ensued...
The higher the combined weight of car plus the aero puts more pressure on tyres resulting in more grip. The downside is higher levels of friction between tyres and tarmac which increases wear.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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This thread is now starting to wake up after a long period of apathy.thumbup Looking forward to reading/watching some driving reviews form CH, AF, JB, HC etc

wenters

49 posts

18 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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You've probably all seen this Insta account but some pictures of the RS on the ring yesterday.....working towards a new lap time??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQdvDuqZda/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQ5ZmVK7d9/

Question from me....why do some of the cars show partial CF bonnet with WP but on the configurator it only shows full bonnet in CF?
Same here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CiL3A1JqgR1/