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Yes Tommi Mäkinen won the WRC in a Mitsubishi EVO 6 from 1996-1999 4 years on the bounce, those cars only had about 330BHP I
think https://youtu.be/MsAzpzi57u8
think https://youtu.be/MsAzpzi57u8
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th August 17:48
I use my RS on the road, have done for 20 years. No real point using it for everyday stuff but as a fun car it works very well for me. The critical thing in my experience is to avoid track tyres for the road (my track 888s spoil the fun). Also, stick to a fast-road set-up, the more extreme track-focused set-ups also spoil the on-road enjoyment. My set-up still works well on-track - I'm at Croft on Wednesday.
As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
ian harvey said:
I use my RS on the road, have done for 20 years. No real point using it for everyday stuff but as a fun car it works very well for me. The critical thing in my experience is to avoid track tyres for the road (my track 888s spoil the fun). Also, stick to a fast-road set-up, the more extreme track-focused set-ups also spoil the on-road enjoyment. My set-up still works well on-track - I'm at Croft on Wednesday.
As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
Lovely post As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
RSVP911 said:
ian harvey said:
I use my RS on the road, have done for 20 years. No real point using it for everyday stuff but as a fun car it works very well for me. The critical thing in my experience is to avoid track tyres for the road (my track 888s spoil the fun). Also, stick to a fast-road set-up, the more extreme track-focused set-ups also spoil the on-road enjoyment. My set-up still works well on-track - I'm at Croft on Wednesday.
As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
Lovely post As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
They’re truly wonderful, and what they lack in ultimate pace (that’s not to say they’re slow, they’re not) they more than make up for in tactility, engagement and their hugely visceral nature.
Rest assured you’ll have a lot more fun on the road wringing the neck of an RS with 260-280hp, than you will a modern 911 with 500hp.
Cast your mind back to my “eulogy” and you’ll see the majority of what Ian’s said is all too familiar.
So ignore those “experts” that drove one 10 + years ago and thought them “a bit stiff”, they wouldn’t know tactility, engagement (or indeed character) if it smacked them in the face.
Wonderful cars, but fantastic 911’s.
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 16th September 00:16
Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
ian harvey said:
I use my RS on the road, have done for 20 years. No real point using it for everyday stuff but as a fun car it works very well for me. The critical thing in my experience is to avoid track tyres for the road (my track 888s spoil the fun). Also, stick to a fast-road set-up, the more extreme track-focused set-ups also spoil the on-road enjoyment. My set-up still works well on-track - I'm at Croft on Wednesday.
As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
Lovely post As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
They’re truly wonderful, and what they lack in ultimate pace (that’s not to say they’re slow, they’re not) they more than make up for in tactility, engagement and their hugely visceral nature.
Rest assured you’ll have a lot more fun on the road wringing the neck of an RS with 260-280hp, than you will a modern 911 with 500hp.
Cast your mind back to my “eulogy” and you’ll see the majority of what Ian’s said is all too familiar.
So ignore those “experts” that drove one 10 + years ago and thought them “a bit stiff”, they wouldn’t know tactility, engagement (or indeed character) if it smacked them in the face.
Wonderful cars, but fantastic 911’s.
ChrisW. said:
Agreed ... I did 10,000 Km in a Maritime NGT ... I loved it.
I would add that the previous owner had replaced the dampers and fitted Cup dampers to the front ... I believe the Cup dampers were much more progressive than the standard ones.
I fitted the Walter Rohrl Bilstein kit to mine. That replaced dampers that were about 10 years old, so impossible to say how much of the difference was just new dampers, but it was a really good improvement. Better on the road, track, improved steering feel, improved NVH, etc. No stiffer than the standard springs / dampers, but with terrific body control. At the Ring it was better over crests and through compressions than my GT4 is. It was about £3-3.5k fitted, so not overly expensive either in the scheme of things. I would add that the previous owner had replaced the dampers and fitted Cup dampers to the front ... I believe the Cup dampers were much more progressive than the standard ones.
Juno said:
Yes Tommi Mäkinen won the WRC in a Mitsubishi EVO 6 from 1996-1999 4 years on the bounce, those cars only had about 330BHP I
think https://youtu.be/MsAzpzi57u8
He only won in 1999 in an EVO 6 think https://youtu.be/MsAzpzi57u8
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th August 17:48
nudgerwilliams said:
ChrisW. said:
Agreed ... I did 10,000 Km in a Maritime NGT ... I loved it.
I would add that the previous owner had replaced the dampers and fitted Cup dampers to the front ... I believe the Cup dampers were much more progressive than the standard ones.
I fitted the Walter Rohrl Bilstein kit to mine. That replaced dampers that were about 10 years old, so impossible to say how much of the difference was just new dampers, but it was a really good improvement. Better on the road, track, improved steering feel, improved NVH, etc. No stiffer than the standard springs / dampers, but with terrific body control. At the Ring it was better over crests and through compressions than my GT4 is. It was about £3-3.5k fitted, so not overly expensive either in the scheme of things. I would add that the previous owner had replaced the dampers and fitted Cup dampers to the front ... I believe the Cup dampers were much more progressive than the standard ones.
The “standard fix” is/was to fit 993 RS front dampers, they bolt straight on and the compression valving is noticeably softer.
Failing that, fit KW’s, Bilstein PSS9/Cup/Walter Rohrl kit etc etc
When I see what a 964 RS goes for nowadays SWMBO struck gold when she managed to prise her concours winning 993 hot rod out of the old owners hands for way less than half the money of a concours 964 RS. An RS wouldn’t see which way this bitsas gone.
2019 R21 overall best car. Judges putting a bitsa ahead of CGT, GT2 RS, PTS GT3s etc really demonstrates how loved these old bugs are nowadays. Those that think anything modern can deliver even 10% of the experience of a 911 where YOU have to drive the car simply do not understand proper 911s.
Good luck with the search. Wait for a yellow or maritime one! RR tends to stick around a bit if you ever sell although I absolutely love the period colour.
2019 R21 overall best car. Judges putting a bitsa ahead of CGT, GT2 RS, PTS GT3s etc really demonstrates how loved these old bugs are nowadays. Those that think anything modern can deliver even 10% of the experience of a 911 where YOU have to drive the car simply do not understand proper 911s.
Good luck with the search. Wait for a yellow or maritime one! RR tends to stick around a bit if you ever sell although I absolutely love the period colour.
MDMA . said:
Juno said:
Yes Tommi Mäkinen won the WRC in a Mitsubishi EVO 6 from 1996-1999 4 years on the bounce, those cars only had about 330BHP I
think https://youtu.be/MsAzpzi57u8
He only won in 1999 in an EVO 6 think https://youtu.be/MsAzpzi57u8
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th August 17:48
They’re truly wonderful, and what they lack in ultimate pace (that’s not to say they’re slow, they’re not) they more than make up for in tactility, engagement and their hugely visceral nature.
Rest assured you’ll have a lot more fun on the road wringing the neck of an RS with 260-280hp, than you will a modern 911 with 500hp.
Cast your mind back to my “eulogy” and you’ll see the majority of what Ian’s said is all too familiar.
So ignore those “experts” that drove one 10 + years ago and thought them “a bit stiff”, they wouldn’t know tactility, engagement (or indeed character) if it smacked them in the face.
Wonderful cars, but fantastic 911’s.
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Lovely to see J5LWT in all its splendour, I knew the owner when he bought it way back in 03, a great example and glad to see it is still being used.
Cheers for spreading the love.
garypotter said:
Slippydiff said:
They’re truly wonderful, and what they lack in ultimate pace (that’s not to say they’re slow, they’re not) they more than make up for in tactility, engagement and their hugely visceral nature.
Rest assured you’ll have a lot more fun on the road wringing the neck of an RS with 260-280hp, than you will a modern 911 with 500hp.
Cast your mind back to my “eulogy” and you’ll see the majority of what Ian’s said is all too familiar.
So ignore those “experts” that drove one 10 + years ago and thought them “a bit stiff”, they wouldn’t know tactility, engagement (or indeed character) if it smacked them in the face.
Wonderful cars, but fantastic 911’s.
Lovely to see J5 LWT in all its splendour, I knew the owner when he bought it way back in 03, a great example and glad to see it is still being used.Rest assured you’ll have a lot more fun on the road wringing the neck of an RS with 260-280hp, than you will a modern 911 with 500hp.
Cast your mind back to my “eulogy” and you’ll see the majority of what Ian’s said is all too familiar.
So ignore those “experts” that drove one 10 + years ago and thought them “a bit stiff”, they wouldn’t know tactility, engagement (or indeed character) if it smacked them in the face.
Wonderful cars, but fantastic 911’s.
Cheers for spreading the love.
https://www.undicihp.com/about/
Worth an email. Very well connected with Porsche Padova and good guy. Might know of something in Italy.
Worth an email. Very well connected with Porsche Padova and good guy. Might know of something in Italy.
RSVP911 said:
ian harvey said:
I use my RS on the road, have done for 20 years. No real point using it for everyday stuff but as a fun car it works very well for me. The critical thing in my experience is to avoid track tyres for the road (my track 888s spoil the fun). Also, stick to a fast-road set-up, the more extreme track-focused set-ups also spoil the on-road enjoyment. My set-up still works well on-track - I'm at Croft on Wednesday.
As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
Lovely post As is, mine is great fun on the road and I actually prefer it to my GT4, you have to concentrate and be aware of the type of road you're driving on but you get so much in return, especially when you're pressing-on, which it was designed to do. It still feels quick, just not a mad as the new stuff which I simply could not push hard on our roads, way too fast/dangerous/irresponsible.
The seats are perfect for me and the 'straight' lhd driving position is ideal along with the extended Momo dished wheel 'up-close', not least on long journeys such as to Spa or Le Mans; it settles to a reasonably quiet cruise at higher motorway speeds where it wants to get a move-on, happy at a 90 mph canter. Mine does not have A/C and this can be an issue these days.
'Horses for courses' no doubt applies. Walter Rohrl seems to like 'em.
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