looking for a cheeeeeap 1.6 ecoboost block or donor engine
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any sources other than ebay?
i need a block asap to start my project build [its going longitudinal into a radical SR8 chassis].
they didn't sell this engine in the GCC so having to import. most of it other than the block will be binned so seems pointless paying 1500+ for one.
any good breakers/suppliers you know of?
i need a block asap to start my project build [its going longitudinal into a radical SR8 chassis].
they didn't sell this engine in the GCC so having to import. most of it other than the block will be binned so seems pointless paying 1500+ for one.
any good breakers/suppliers you know of?
Also try here
https://passionford.com/forum/index.php
Is the 1.6 one of the ones that suffers a lot of problems ? If so, maybe some dealers etc have a supply of scrap ones.
https://passionford.com/forum/index.php
Is the 1.6 one of the ones that suffers a lot of problems ? If so, maybe some dealers etc have a supply of scrap ones.
stevieturbo said:
If they're so expensive, is there not a better engine platform you could use ?
Or why just buy a block, if you're going to need to buy a full engine to use anyway ?
a scrap block could be taken as flight luggage and enable me to start chassis fabrication, order driveshafts etc. a £1500 donor would need shipping here, then back to uk again to be modified [i want it sleeved, closed deck etc.] and i don't fancy putting a ton of cash into a built long block only to discover some potentially catastrophic packaging issues. Or why just buy a block, if you're going to need to buy a full engine to use anyway ?
A block as flight luggage ? That'd be a new one lol
Are there capacity or other reasons you want the 1.6 ? Are transmission options already covered for the engine ?
Some of the VW group engines, 1.8 or otherwise could be viable, and have plenty of transaxle type transmissions for easy fitment too.
And should be plentiful all over the world.
Are there capacity or other reasons you want the 1.6 ? Are transmission options already covered for the engine ?
Some of the VW group engines, 1.8 or otherwise could be viable, and have plenty of transaxle type transmissions for easy fitment too.
And should be plentiful all over the world.
As long as it’s clean and degreased I’ve taken far worse on planes!
Yeah I went through tons of choices (Subaru, rotary, v6) before I lucked into a brand new hewland ftr200 for about 1/4 of rrp (ex TOMs team toyota, unused) which is an f3 Box with limited torque capacity. Then mygale (who use the ecoboost in their ff200) had a sale on so the bellhousing, clutch shaft, release brg etc were all 50% off. This somewhat sealed the ecoboost option concisively!
The transaxle is rated to 240 ft lbs according to hewland but I have seen hill climb ff200’s running above this. I need to talk to someone at hewland to understand the real limits and it which gears.
Big part of the ecoboost appeal is that I can run a fairly standard engine at 300bhp/300ft lbs with a decent ecu, can torque limit in gear by bleeding boost etc. it’s a very light engine and at those figures it’d make for a very potent car indeed. The radical roller (inc bag tank, split rims intrax 4 way, big brake kits all round) cost me £3k so I’m trying my best to come in under £20k all in but at a top spec build.
From what I read the 1.6 head is better than the 2.0 and the issues with the ecoboost in general seem to be limited to cooling which is less of an issue with a race car doing limited miles with much more prep and engine monitoring. If I build it strong then 8.5k rpm rev limit is doable which should give it the right kind of engine note for the car. I can run it on any trackday here as well as in the local race series as long as I don’t accumulate championship points. whenever I move back to Europe I should be able to find a suitable series or else do sprints and hill climbs. All without the usual expensive service intervals associated with a radical (this is the man maths anyway).
A readers cars build thread will be started once I have the engine or at least the block.
Yeah I went through tons of choices (Subaru, rotary, v6) before I lucked into a brand new hewland ftr200 for about 1/4 of rrp (ex TOMs team toyota, unused) which is an f3 Box with limited torque capacity. Then mygale (who use the ecoboost in their ff200) had a sale on so the bellhousing, clutch shaft, release brg etc were all 50% off. This somewhat sealed the ecoboost option concisively!
The transaxle is rated to 240 ft lbs according to hewland but I have seen hill climb ff200’s running above this. I need to talk to someone at hewland to understand the real limits and it which gears.
Big part of the ecoboost appeal is that I can run a fairly standard engine at 300bhp/300ft lbs with a decent ecu, can torque limit in gear by bleeding boost etc. it’s a very light engine and at those figures it’d make for a very potent car indeed. The radical roller (inc bag tank, split rims intrax 4 way, big brake kits all round) cost me £3k so I’m trying my best to come in under £20k all in but at a top spec build.
From what I read the 1.6 head is better than the 2.0 and the issues with the ecoboost in general seem to be limited to cooling which is less of an issue with a race car doing limited miles with much more prep and engine monitoring. If I build it strong then 8.5k rpm rev limit is doable which should give it the right kind of engine note for the car. I can run it on any trackday here as well as in the local race series as long as I don’t accumulate championship points. whenever I move back to Europe I should be able to find a suitable series or else do sprints and hill climbs. All without the usual expensive service intervals associated with a radical (this is the man maths anyway).
A readers cars build thread will be started once I have the engine or at least the block.
Edited by shirt on Saturday 24th August 22:39
There a couple of Mygale runners here.
http://www.uphillracers.com/forum.php
Graham B has certainly done plenty of work to his, although actual engine I think is untouched and it's making good power and has for some time.
http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php?t=11600
http://www.uphillracers.com/forum.php
Graham B has certainly done plenty of work to his, although actual engine I think is untouched and it's making good power and has for some time.
http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php?t=11600
stevieturbo said:
There a couple of Mygale runners here.
http://www.uphillracers.com/forum.php
Graham B has certainly done plenty of work to his, although actual engine I think is untouched and it's making good power and has for some time.
http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php?t=11600
i've been reading graham's blog for a while now. i was almost tempted by the life ecu but the cost plus the fact they don't seem at all easy to deal with puts me off. http://www.uphillracers.com/forum.php
Graham B has certainly done plenty of work to his, although actual engine I think is untouched and it's making good power and has for some time.
http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php?t=11600
steve at SBD has made good gains using MBE ecu's, you can get his full engine kit for around the cost of the life F88 set-up and he puts a decent amount of info online to back up the development. one of his customers has set up a company to sell tuned ecoboosts for rally applications so there's another solid option.
GreenV8S said:
If it's only for packaging, and so expensive / difficult to get a real one shipped to you, how about getting a dummy made up?
hmm. i wonder if i can get a 3d file online... got a recommendation for a scrappy up in the northern emirates who deals in non GCC parts who i'll visit at the weekend. i have garage space now so itching to start!IMO, there is no better ecu out there than Life Racing or Syvecs.
Although they are most certainly not the cheapest.
I've only ever used one very old MBE ecu and the software was horrific. Although I'd expect more modern stuff should be much better.
Ultimately support is just as important as the hardware itself though. Choose whatever can best do the job...and whatever your tuner can give you their best results with.
Graham's issue and the other guy on that forum is not so much with the ecu itself....but more their cars were Ford cars, which were heavily locked because of their origins which has caused a lot of difficulties as there is only one agent ( NMS ) who was allowed access to work with the ecu, and even then a lot of areas were still locked down from them.
But over time and lots of discussions they have managed to get much better access released with permission from Ford.
Obviously someone buying a new ecu would not have any of those restrictions and they would have all features/access available quite easily.
Although they are most certainly not the cheapest.
I've only ever used one very old MBE ecu and the software was horrific. Although I'd expect more modern stuff should be much better.
Ultimately support is just as important as the hardware itself though. Choose whatever can best do the job...and whatever your tuner can give you their best results with.
Graham's issue and the other guy on that forum is not so much with the ecu itself....but more their cars were Ford cars, which were heavily locked because of their origins which has caused a lot of difficulties as there is only one agent ( NMS ) who was allowed access to work with the ecu, and even then a lot of areas were still locked down from them.
But over time and lots of discussions they have managed to get much better access released with permission from Ford.
Obviously someone buying a new ecu would not have any of those restrictions and they would have all features/access available quite easily.
As time goes on, no doubt more ecu options will become available. That doesnt mean they will all have the same abilities though even if their tick boxes might suggest they have.
Just because two ecu's claim to offer the same features...certainly doesnt mean those two features will have the same abilities.
I believe Specialist Components also offer a Ecoboost ecu option.
Although in a vehicle like a Radical, depending what you want....more than likely there is more going on than simply running an engine, where you may want extensive logging both engine and chassis, gearbox control etc etc.
So factor in future proofing it all.
Syvecs/Life are made by the same people ( Life ), although there are small deviations in options available between the two. But if one supplier is more available to you, go with that.
Life themselves seem to be more on the "hardcore racing" side, like circuit, track stuff etc, whereas Syvecs are more aimed at the very serious road/race/drag side of things.
Although obviously they both overlap too.
Just because two ecu's claim to offer the same features...certainly doesnt mean those two features will have the same abilities.
I believe Specialist Components also offer a Ecoboost ecu option.
Although in a vehicle like a Radical, depending what you want....more than likely there is more going on than simply running an engine, where you may want extensive logging both engine and chassis, gearbox control etc etc.
So factor in future proofing it all.
Syvecs/Life are made by the same people ( Life ), although there are small deviations in options available between the two. But if one supplier is more available to you, go with that.
Life themselves seem to be more on the "hardcore racing" side, like circuit, track stuff etc, whereas Syvecs are more aimed at the very serious road/race/drag side of things.
Although obviously they both overlap too.
a friend had a specialist components ecu in his caterham. that has been discounted already.
another friend runs syvecs in his world time attack racer. he told me about the life/syvecs tie up [little bit more complex than i thought] and he may be able to secure a discount on the latter. i believe one of the syvecs owners travels here regularly as well.
certainly the ability to do everything from one box appeals and a good ECU never loses much money 2nd hand so it'd be a good buy.
as with everything motorsport related, its just very easy to stack up big bills when putting your project shopping list together! will be having a bash at making the loom at least, the SBD engine loom is £1800 alone!
another friend runs syvecs in his world time attack racer. he told me about the life/syvecs tie up [little bit more complex than i thought] and he may be able to secure a discount on the latter. i believe one of the syvecs owners travels here regularly as well.
certainly the ability to do everything from one box appeals and a good ECU never loses much money 2nd hand so it'd be a good buy.
as with everything motorsport related, its just very easy to stack up big bills when putting your project shopping list together! will be having a bash at making the loom at least, the SBD engine loom is £1800 alone!
I have a 1.6EB in a Caterham on an SCS GDI 4 ecu. 321bhp 300ftlbs, loads more in it but its tuned as not to split liners, which is what they do at much more.
The 1.6 is the best EcoBoost, built to a spec, not a cost. The 2.3 I'd OK, but the 2.0 a disaster if you in tease boost.
1.6 overheating is a result of failed temp senders when something else failed on the engine. On a race car with a decent dash with programmable alerts, you will have no issue.
The SCS delta ECU cost £1400 so much cheaper than the others, and very quick to calibrate. Mine, using a Gemzoe hybrid turbo, took under 2 hrs to map on the rollers. I use it to control a JWM paddleshift on a Sadev box.
The 1.6 is the best EcoBoost, built to a spec, not a cost. The 2.3 I'd OK, but the 2.0 a disaster if you in tease boost.
1.6 overheating is a result of failed temp senders when something else failed on the engine. On a race car with a decent dash with programmable alerts, you will have no issue.
The SCS delta ECU cost £1400 so much cheaper than the others, and very quick to calibrate. Mine, using a Gemzoe hybrid turbo, took under 2 hrs to map on the rollers. I use it to control a JWM paddleshift on a Sadev box.
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