992 - essential options vs depreciation?

992 - essential options vs depreciation?

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PSB1

3,676 posts

103 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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Question for 992 owners.

How do you get on with the Choc Ice sized gear selector? I used the gear selector in manual mode a lot in my 991. Is it an irritation?

politeperson

537 posts

180 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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The gear selector is actually used to select drive or reverse, not the gears.

You never need to touch it once you are moving.

The gears can be controlled with the paddles.

I never bother with the paddles though, as the gearbox always seems to be in the correct gear, so I just control the gears with the accelerator 99% of the time.

It even seems to be able to predict the correct gear too.

So I think it works very well indeed.

996Targa

235 posts

145 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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PSB1 said:
Question for 992 owners.

How do you get on with the Choc Ice sized gear selector? I used the gear selector in manual mode a lot in my 991. Is it an irritation?
It doesn't have a functioning gear selector in the sense of the 991, you have to use the paddles for manual control.

PSB1

3,676 posts

103 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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996Targa said:
It doesn't have a functioning gear selector in the sense of the 991, you have to use the paddles for manual control.
politeperson said:
The gear selector is actually used to select drive or reverse, not the gears.

You never need to touch it once you are moving.

The gears can be controlled with the paddles.

I never bother with the paddles though, as the gearbox always seems to be in the correct gear, so I just control the gears with the accelerator 99% of the time.

It even seems to be able to predict the correct gear too.

So I think it works very well indeed.
Thank you both. That's quite a significant removal of functionality by Porsche - but presumably they focus grouped it to death.

The pdk box is fantastic - and changing with paddles works well, but for me the gear selector 'feels' better when pressing on. If it is only used for selecting drive or reverse, a button would have probably been a better choice. It jars a bit with the design.

P-G

37 posts

54 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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PSB1 said:
If it is only used for selecting drive or reverse, a button would have probably been a better choice. It jars a bit with the design.
When you do a 3 point turn or something, the buttons would be too fiddly / need glancing, whereas the 'stick' is still easy to reach for.

politeperson said:
I never bother with the paddles though, as the gearbox always seems to be in the correct gear, so I just control the gears with the accelerator 99% of the time.

It even seems to be able to predict the correct gear too.

So I think it works very well indeed.
I agree - never use the paddles. PDK shifts early if foot not planted, but always seem to be ready in gear when you want it.

politeperson

537 posts

180 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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PSB1 said:
changing with paddles works well, but for me the gear selector 'feels' better when pressing on. If it is only used for selecting drive or reverse, a button would have probably been a better choice. It jars a bit with the design.
Dont worry, you will have no trouble whatsoever pressing on!

Jefferson Steelflex

1,428 posts

98 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Acamp76144 said:
JohnBRG said:
OP - I've spent hours on the 992 configurator. when I spec one the same as my old 997, I'm at almost 100K.

Then I realise that if I bought one then the year one depreciation would exceed the value of my 997 - which is no longer depreciating, has required only routine maintenance and which sails through its MOT every year.

I’m in a similar position with a 991.1; think I want a 992 4S or GTS but lightly used ones from OPC don’t seem to reflect enough depreciation!

My advice - buy a cherished 997.1 and content yourself in the knowledge that your 'new' 911 has cost you less than a year's depreciation on a 992. And you get to keep it forever.
Having just been told my 991.2 C2 has shed £45k in 3 years (and £20k in the year I’ve actually owned it) I’ve come the realisation this a massive racket. New 992s don’t depreciate, cars only a few years older a suddenly worthless, and “base” Carreras are unwanted by the buying public.

Stick with the 997. They’ll be worth more than 992s and 991s in a few years.

Cheib

23,112 posts

174 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Jefferson Steelflex said:
Having just been told my 991.2 C2 has shed £45k in 3 years (and £20k in the year I’ve actually owned it) I’ve come the realisation this a massive racket. New 992s don’t depreciate, cars only a few years older a suddenly worthless, and “base” Carreras are unwanted by the buying public.

Stick with the 997. They’ll be worth more than 992s and 991s in a few years.
I don’t think 997’s have been immune to depreciation in the last year...I’d guess my manual 997 GTS has shed at least £10k in the last year and PDK’s probably more.

Normally a new 911 is relatively “good news” when it first comes out....992 launched into a weak market and not universally liked hasn’t followed that path. Also think it’s been a victim of OPC’s GT car allocation policy....my guess is 50% of the first six months of production went to people who were just buying it to flip after a few months to keep themselves on the GT allocation list....so things may well improve.

Mintbird

557 posts

100 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Cheib said:
I don’t think 997’s have been immune to depreciation in the last year...I’d guess my manual 997 GTS has shed at least £10k in the last year and PDK’s probably more.

Normally a new 911 is relatively “good news” when it first comes out....992 launched into a weak market and not universally liked hasn’t followed that path. Also think it’s been a victim of OPC’s GT car allocation policy....my guess is 50% of the first six months of production went to people who were just buying it to flip after a few months to keep themselves on the GT allocation list....so things may well improve.
in 5 years time id put a wager on your car being worth more than a 992S. its the hydraulic steering and 6-speed box and the 408 bhp power pack naturally aspirated engine!
with 991 the synthetic programmed pops and bangs started too..

DomT87

63 posts

67 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Bit of a bump but I was out earlier when Imelda May was playing live on radio 2 (yeah I'm old), the Burmester system sounded the best it ever has. Loved it.

Massively overpriced and not as good as my home hifi, maybe, but it provided a great soundtrack as I enjoyed the local private roads.

Iknownothin

110 posts

129 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Great info on this thread. I've recently swapped from a Cayman to a 911 C2 order. Looking at a fairly standard spec as most things appear to be on the car. Current spec is:

Aventurine
Sportex
Sport Plus Seats
Auto dimming mirrors
Bose
GT wheel

The only bit I'm struggling with is the wheel choice. Love the idea of the standard wheels but the RS wheels look rather good with Aventurine (and agate). Anyone seen the two choices side by side and any thoughts? Oh, quite like the truffle brown interior as well but don't think I'm brave enough to go for it.

alltalk

97 posts

79 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Completely agree with low spec - mine would be the same but with RS wheels - its a very expensive option but something you see all the time, for me I'd leave out Bose and add a camera as had a few near misses on cars without cameras.

... although 2019 "S" cars are looking better value and a couple with OK options below £90k, although that still feels high.

Leithen

10,800 posts

266 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Go with the truffle with stitching. It’s fantastic, especially with Aventurine.

Iknownothin

110 posts

129 months

Tuesday 17th March 2020
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Think I'm going with standard wheels but truffle and wood interior. Think it's a nice combination on the 992 and kind of suits the standard Carrera. Who knows when it will be built or delivered now mind you.

findtomdotcom

688 posts

239 months

Tuesday 31st March 2020
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This is still a great thread to re-read. While I don't think anyone is wrong building a basic spec car and being disciplined, only adding a few important options, (everyone is different right), I went the complete opposite direction on my last build.

To be fair I have had a few 911s and knew exactly what options I wanted that would add value to me.

The car arrived a few days before lock down (lucky or unlucky)... so not really driven it yet, but so far I am loving the extra little design details, Sport-Tex seats, carbon mirrors and the aluminium gear selector...I would bet that not many will see them as "good value" but to me it is these little touches that really add a little bit more to a car. Oh it doesn't drive too badly either!



Good health to you all.

Edited by findtomdotcom on Tuesday 31st March 16:08

Timbuktu

1,953 posts

154 months

Tuesday 31st March 2020
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Edited by YinSan on Tuesday 30th November 13:01

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Tuesday 31st March 2020
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Iknownothin said:
Think I'm going with standard wheels but truffle and wood interior. Think it's a nice combination on the 992 and kind of suits the standard Carrera. Who knows when it will be built or delivered now mind you.
Wood? In a Porsche?

eeknono

Filibuster

3,116 posts

214 months

Tuesday 31st March 2020
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findtomdotcom said:
This is still a great thread to re-read. While I don't think anyone is wrong building a basic spec car and being disciplined, only adding a few important options, (everyone is different right), I went the complete opposite direction on my last build.

To be fair I have had a few 911s and knew exactly what options I wanted that would add value to me.

The car arrived a few days before lock down (lucky or unlucky)... so not really driven it yet, but so far I am loving the extra little design details, Sport-Tex seats, carbon mirrors and the aluminium gear selector...I would bet that not many will see them as "good value" but to me it is these little touches that really add a little bit more to a car. Oh it doesn't drive too badly either!



Good health to you all.

Edited by findtomdotcom on Tuesday 31st March 16:08
That really looks great! I love the wheels and they contrast the midnight blue exterior perfectly!
I'm also a fan of these generation Sport Tex seats! A subtle hint to the houndstooth seats of yesteryears.

Only the gear selector has me confused confused
IMO this looks like the standard one, not the aluminium option ...
The aluminium option has a top with a machined finish, like the temperatures selectors.



Yours looks like the standard one to me ...



findtomdotcom

688 posts

239 months

Tuesday 31st March 2020
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The normal one is plastic and the aluminium is covered in leather. I agree, they look similar but feel very different to touch. The question is, is it worth the extra cost? Well it was to me. smile

dgswk

889 posts

93 months

Wednesday 1st April 2020
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findtomdotcom said:
The normal one is plastic and the aluminium is covered in leather. I agree, they look similar but feel very different to touch. The question is, is it worth the extra cost? Well it was to me. smile
good on you smile. i think the blacked out windows look cool on mine, most including family think they look s**t. worth it? they are to me smile

Edited by dgswk on Wednesday 1st April 19:26