Latest 992 GT3 pictures reveal diffuser and foil
Discussion
Yellow T said:
As prospective buyer of .2 gt3 - I see any announcement of the new 992 version softening prices further, coupled with Brexit and winter looming. At the moment, the GT market appears pretty stagnant as pricing is just unrealistic. Too many cars for not enough buyers. What does everyone else think? These cars need to be selling at list now.
depends what you want, I only follow manual with PCCB's and the prices are very firm with about a £5k drop over the last 3 months.I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
Yellow T said:
Yil said:
what will this do to the already softening prices of the .2 gt3?
As prospective buyer of .2 gt3 - I see any announcement of the new 992 version softening prices further, coupled with Brexit and winter looming. At the moment, the GT market appears pretty stagnant as pricing is just unrealistic. Too many cars for not enough buyers. What does everyone else think? These cars need to be selling at list now.The 992 GT3 MAY be faster (although the 718 GT4 has virtually identical performance as the 981 due to extra weight from filters etc and CPULD be the same for the 992) although it is doubtful whether the fantastic sound of the 991.2 GT3 will be retained, again like the 718/ 981 scenario.
The other aspect to consider is the price of the 992 GT3. Expect around 10% price increase in the UK over the 991.2 together with a possible and increasingly likely 10% hard Brexit surcharge and some spec on top and you will end up at early £160ks.
Flipped cars at £220k anyone?
Porsche911R said:
depends what you want, I only follow manual with PCCB's and the prices are very firm with about a £5k drop over the last 3 months.
I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
I'm following manual clubsports and have seen a 5k drop in the last fortnight. In the last 3 weeks I haven't seen a single car sell and moving into autumn I just don't see these cars shifting unless there is another price correction. I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
av185 said:
Depends on the car. Been discussed to death but as we all know the best cars sell at the best prices.
The 992 GT3 MAY be faster (although the 718 GT4 has virtually identical performance as the 981 due to extra weight from filters etc and CPULD be the same for the 992) although it is doubtful whether the fantastic sound of the 991.2 GT3 will be retained, again like the 718/ 981 scenario.
The other aspect to consider is the price of the 992 GT3. Expect around 10% price increase in the UK over the 991.2 together with a possible and increasingly likely 10% hard Brexit surcharge and some spec on top and you will end up at early £160ks.
Flipped cars at £220k anyone?
Also what are the finance deals going to be like after Brexit? The 992 GT3 MAY be faster (although the 718 GT4 has virtually identical performance as the 981 due to extra weight from filters etc and CPULD be the same for the 992) although it is doubtful whether the fantastic sound of the 991.2 GT3 will be retained, again like the 718/ 981 scenario.
The other aspect to consider is the price of the 992 GT3. Expect around 10% price increase in the UK over the 991.2 together with a possible and increasingly likely 10% hard Brexit surcharge and some spec on top and you will end up at early £160ks.
Flipped cars at £220k anyone?
Yellow T said:
Porsche911R said:
depends what you want, I only follow manual with PCCB's and the prices are very firm with about a £5k drop over the last 3 months.
I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
I'm following manual clubsports and have seen a 5k drop in the last fortnight. In the last 3 weeks I haven't seen a single car sell and moving into autumn I just don't see these cars shifting unless there is another price correction. I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
Given the 992’s marmite looks, potentially poorer engine note and a substantial increase in list over the 991.2, I suspect/hope values of the 991.2 will hold better than some of you think.
Edited by PMacanGTS on Monday 19th August 19:44
Jim1556 said:
av185 said:
although it is doubtful whether the fantastic sound of the 991.2 GT3 will be retained, again like the 718/ 981 scenario.
I dunno, the touring video posted earlier sounded pretty good... 
During the previous discussions about the 992 GT3 on here I mentioned I had turned down a slot broadly for the reasons in my previous post. This would be the first GT Porsche I have declined btw.
Like many other owners, and quite a few on here, I honestly see the 991.2 GT3 as the sweet spot, especially in 'manuel', and for obvious reasons.
Yellow T said:
I'm following manual clubsports and have seen a 5k drop in the last fortnight. In the last 3 weeks I haven't seen a single car sell and moving into autumn I just don't see these cars shifting unless there is another price correction.
Yes it’s only been in the last few weeks the drop has happened, as they were a firm £155k for a year.Thing is out the 12 cars do any float your boat, 2 or 3 are higher miles , a few Don,t have lift and then there is colour, so if the right car pops up just buy it imo.
I have decided to keep mine, it,s just too good a car to sell and try something else. So it will get a few Choice tweaks over winter.
I don’t thing many will pop up for sale as owners know how great it is. The people who sold on here went and bought auto's so did not really want the car in the 1st place, inc the touring flippers.
Very special car in today’s age.
Porsche911R said:
Yellow T said:
As prospective buyer of .2 gt3 - I see any announcement of the new 992 version softening prices further, coupled with Brexit and winter looming. At the moment, the GT market appears pretty stagnant as pricing is just unrealistic. Too many cars for not enough buyers. What does everyone else think? These cars need to be selling at list now.
depends what you want, I only follow manual with PCCB's and the prices are very firm with about a £5k drop over the last 3 months.I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
I think we can make a few predictions about the 992 GT3 based on the comparisons between 718GT4 and 981. This month's EVO magazine compare them and note 'its also immediately obvious that the 981 has nothing like the sophistication to its damping that the newer car possesses'. They also add, 'switch the exhaust to open and its fantastically loud, easily drowning out the 718'.
So, we can expect the 992 GT3 to have a more sophisticated chassis with yet more downforce, probably much more judging by that awful spoiler and diffuser. Yet, the downside will be a much quieter, albeit nice sounding engine note. It will be heavier, negating the small increase in power and torque. And as others have said, it will be more expensive. Maybe much more expensive. And it won't look as good as the 991.
Guess I will be keeping mine then!
So, we can expect the 992 GT3 to have a more sophisticated chassis with yet more downforce, probably much more judging by that awful spoiler and diffuser. Yet, the downside will be a much quieter, albeit nice sounding engine note. It will be heavier, negating the small increase in power and torque. And as others have said, it will be more expensive. Maybe much more expensive. And it won't look as good as the 991.
Guess I will be keeping mine then!
That's five original 991.2GT3 Manual who dislike the 992GT3 and intend keeping their existing cars,,AV185, RSVP911, Cheib, browngt3 and Mr D..That says a lot about the 992GT4's initial appearance..Could this be the first recent GT3 launched which won't have existing Porsche GT owners fighting for an allocation ?
Taffy66 said:
That's five original 991.2GT3 Manual who dislike the 992GT3 and intend keeping their existing cars,,AV185, RSVP911, Cheib, browngt3 and Mr D..That says a lot about the 992GT4's initial appearance..Could this be the first recent GT3 launched which won't have existing Porsche GT owners fighting for an allocation ?
Could be Taffy and the other relevant point is the likely increased production numbers and possible increased 'availabilty' of the new car.Taffy66 said:
That's five original 991.2GT3 Manual who dislike the 992GT3 and intend keeping their existing cars,,AV185, RSVP911, Cheib, browngt3 and Mr D..That says a lot about the 992GT4's initial appearance..Could this be the first recent GT3 launched which won't have existing Porsche GT owners fighting for an allocation ?
I’m not even in the queue...never mind fighting for an allocation! Yellow T said:
Porsche911R said:
depends what you want, I only follow manual with PCCB's and the prices are very firm with about a £5k drop over the last 3 months.
I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
I'm following manual clubsports and have seen a 5k drop in the last fortnight. In the last 3 weeks I haven't seen a single car sell and moving into autumn I just don't see these cars shifting unless there is another price correction. I guess if you want tech ie PDK then the new car will yet again have more tech, but imo a 991.2 Manual is another last of an era car and I think they are selling ok.
I don't see the 992 car being a better drivers car even though it may be a so called "better car"
there are only 12 for sale and the cheapest has 8k miles. and still £140k
the top end cars are still £160k and the cars which sell yes have dropped about £5k but are £145/£150k cars if you want the spec and about 2k miles.
So that's £15k over list and a bargain imo over pissing about buying 4 Macans to get one.
Taffy66 said:
That's five original 991.2GT3 Manual who dislike the 992GT3 and intend keeping their existing cars,,AV185, RSVP911, Cheib, browngt3 and Mr D..That says a lot about the 992GT4's initial appearance..Could this be the first recent GT3 launched which won't have existing Porsche GT owners fighting for an allocation ?
I just don’t want any more tech or any petrol filters, or stop start and last cylinder deactivation! Plus the digital dash is a BIG no go.992 also feels cheap and plastic inside imo.
Rather goto Manthey and buy their aero kit for more downforce and let the free flowing 991.2 sing, there is no better sounding road car.
Chassis again, manthey setup beats any PASM crap.
Wing I like, The new one is very motor sport and that’s what a GT3 is. A Motorsport car. The rest , no thanks.
A few of you are forgetting your Porsche roots. The 911 always had a squared of front hood edge and creases on the upper part of the hood. Untill the 996 that is! If anything the 992 is trying to move back to the classic hood line and the hood creases which made their reappearance on the 991.1 GT3RS are now part of the standard range....
The 992 GT3 is still largely in camo so the final look is not yet revealed. To my eyes at least I think its going to look great. Wider and more agressive and although right now the rear wing looks odd I beleive in the final production examples it will look very impressive and given its function is supposedly noticeably improved I look forward to seeing how this new GT3 compares with my 991.2 on the track.
Hopefully being in a non EU country Im hoping the GPF will be ommitted (as is the case for the Speedster for our market) so will not have to contend too much with the reduced volume issue that some predict.
Its natural to defend the car you have already spent your money on. I was one of the first in the RHD world to take delivery of my 991.1 GT3 from the factory in Nov 2013 (documented in my trip notes on here). At that time everyone was very strong about the looks of the car (too big they said, too wide, doesnt sound the same, looks too modern, wheres the rawness). Dont even mention the PDK as alot of people were filthy on it. Today everyone thinks a PDK 991.2 GT3 is just ace. Effectively its the same car. The motor noters no longer diss the car because it has PDK (even though it not the only option any more).
I find Porsches evolution of the GT3 exciting. I use the car mostly on the track not to look at. Ive had most GT3 from 993RS but excluding 997 generation. Every evolution is better than the last for the most part but of course there are always a few things I wish they could have kept (aircooled engine sounded nicer and you could see it in the engine bay, I like the lighter weight of the 996 GT3 and the 997 GT3 had a nice meaty clutch.
Im willing to wager if we come back to this thread in 3 years time more than 50% of those claiming their current 991.2 GT3 is a "keeper" will have passed it on for a 992 GT3/RS. I love my .2 GT3 manual clubsport PCCB lift car but Im not blinkered. Untill I read, hear or learn something fundamentally worse about the 992 GT3 than the car I own Ill continue to look forward to its release and getting my allocation delivered.
Just about every thread on this board becomes a discussion on price and it looks like this one is going the same way...
The 992 GT3 is still largely in camo so the final look is not yet revealed. To my eyes at least I think its going to look great. Wider and more agressive and although right now the rear wing looks odd I beleive in the final production examples it will look very impressive and given its function is supposedly noticeably improved I look forward to seeing how this new GT3 compares with my 991.2 on the track.
Hopefully being in a non EU country Im hoping the GPF will be ommitted (as is the case for the Speedster for our market) so will not have to contend too much with the reduced volume issue that some predict.
Its natural to defend the car you have already spent your money on. I was one of the first in the RHD world to take delivery of my 991.1 GT3 from the factory in Nov 2013 (documented in my trip notes on here). At that time everyone was very strong about the looks of the car (too big they said, too wide, doesnt sound the same, looks too modern, wheres the rawness). Dont even mention the PDK as alot of people were filthy on it. Today everyone thinks a PDK 991.2 GT3 is just ace. Effectively its the same car. The motor noters no longer diss the car because it has PDK (even though it not the only option any more).
I find Porsches evolution of the GT3 exciting. I use the car mostly on the track not to look at. Ive had most GT3 from 993RS but excluding 997 generation. Every evolution is better than the last for the most part but of course there are always a few things I wish they could have kept (aircooled engine sounded nicer and you could see it in the engine bay, I like the lighter weight of the 996 GT3 and the 997 GT3 had a nice meaty clutch.
Im willing to wager if we come back to this thread in 3 years time more than 50% of those claiming their current 991.2 GT3 is a "keeper" will have passed it on for a 992 GT3/RS. I love my .2 GT3 manual clubsport PCCB lift car but Im not blinkered. Untill I read, hear or learn something fundamentally worse about the 992 GT3 than the car I own Ill continue to look forward to its release and getting my allocation delivered.
Just about every thread on this board becomes a discussion on price and it looks like this one is going the same way...
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