Do you get much jealously ?
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RDMcG said:
Of course there are many who have done well in the current connected world - some are immensely successful . These are not the people who are ranting against flash cars. I do not think that they are in the majority- just an opinion. However, even for the successful there is a blindingly fast rate of change due to the rate of technological innovation. You need to constantly re skill or be left behind.
The next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
I have to say I genuinely love your posts - they are always incredibly balanced and insightfulThe next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
RSVP911 said:
RDMcG said:
Of course there are many who have done well in the current connected world - some are immensely successful . These are not the people who are ranting against flash cars. I do not think that they are in the majority- just an opinion. However, even for the successful there is a blindingly fast rate of change due to the rate of technological innovation. You need to constantly re skill or be left behind.
The next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
I have to say I genuinely love your posts - they are always incredibly balanced and insightfulThe next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
DJMC said:
richthebike said:
Oxbridge isn't a proper noun, it's a portmanteau. I'd argue there should be choice as to whether it is capitalised.
But he wasn't using it pejoratively, to describe a type of social class or elite group.He was using it to describe graduate employees from both universities and so I believe it should have a capital O.
I agree terrible jealousy on these forums.
IMI A said:
Chaps there has been no grammar by convention on internet and email since inception. Its choice and perhaps DD was really telling us what he thinks of grads from those unis by using a small "o"? Hard not to feel the same way with what Blair, Cameron, Gove, Johnson, Osborne etc have done to the UK. Embarrassments.
I agree terrible jealousy on these forums.
It’s I agree terrible jealousy on these forums.
Grammar applies to written English regardless of the media it is on. Why wouldn’t it? Does spelling not apply on the internet? What an odd thing to say.
DD was talking specifically about graduates from Oxford and Cambridge. There is no scope for opinions on grammatical syntax in such a simple example of usage of a word, there is simply right and wrong.
jakesmith said:
IMI A said:
Chaps there has been no grammar by convention on internet and email since inception. Its choice and perhaps DD was really telling us what he thinks of grads from those unis by using a small "o"? Hard not to feel the same way with what Blair, Cameron, Gove, Johnson, Osborne etc have done to the UK. Embarrassments.
I agree terrible jealousy on these forums.
It’s I agree terrible jealousy on these forums.
Grammar applies to written English regardless of the media it is on. Why wouldn’t it? Does spelling not apply on the internet? What an odd thing to say.
DD was talking specifically about graduates from Oxford and Cambridge. There is no scope for opinions on grammatical syntax in such a simple example of usage of a word, there is simply right and wrong.
My theory (to be revealed in a forthcoming academic paper in the Journal of Automotive Psychology) is that people have two different reactions to a car:
- as ‘avatar’: if a car looks aggressive, arrogant, mean, etc. then they assume the owner is too
- as ‘information’: they infer the owner from his choice of car, eg cost, eye for design, expertise to own, etc.
These combine to give 4 different reactions:
- aggressive/new + expensive: abuse
- beautiful/classic + expensive: respect
- beautiful/classic + cheap: friendliness
- aggressive + cheap: competitiveness.
Of course, further empirical study is required to deepen the fact-base. Unfortunately, research is currently hampered by a lack of funding for the next stage which requires at least a Miura, Daytona and Testarossa, and ideally a pink Fiat Topolino for the control group.
- as ‘avatar’: if a car looks aggressive, arrogant, mean, etc. then they assume the owner is too
- as ‘information’: they infer the owner from his choice of car, eg cost, eye for design, expertise to own, etc.
These combine to give 4 different reactions:
- aggressive/new + expensive: abuse
- beautiful/classic + expensive: respect
- beautiful/classic + cheap: friendliness
- aggressive + cheap: competitiveness.
Of course, further empirical study is required to deepen the fact-base. Unfortunately, research is currently hampered by a lack of funding for the next stage which requires at least a Miura, Daytona and Testarossa, and ideally a pink Fiat Topolino for the control group.
67Dino said:
My theory (to be revealed in a forthcoming academic paper in the Journal of Automotive Psychology) is that people have two different reactions to a car:
- as ‘avatar’: if a car looks aggressive, arrogant, mean, etc. then they assume the owner is too
- as ‘information’: they infer the owner from his choice of car, eg cost, eye for design, expertise to own, etc.
These combine to give 4 different reactions:
- aggressive/new + expensive: abuse
- beautiful/classic + expensive: respect
- beautiful/classic + cheap: friendliness
- aggressive + cheap: competitiveness.
Of course, further empirical study is required to deepen the fact-base. Unfortunately, research is currently hampered by a lack of funding for the next stage which requires at least a Miura, Daytona and Testarossa, and ideally a pink Fiat Topolino for the control group.
My theory is people have pre-conceptions based on stereotype and bias, largely influenced by upbringing, culture and the media. But generally wherever you go people don't like a show-off. - as ‘avatar’: if a car looks aggressive, arrogant, mean, etc. then they assume the owner is too
- as ‘information’: they infer the owner from his choice of car, eg cost, eye for design, expertise to own, etc.
These combine to give 4 different reactions:
- aggressive/new + expensive: abuse
- beautiful/classic + expensive: respect
- beautiful/classic + cheap: friendliness
- aggressive + cheap: competitiveness.
Of course, further empirical study is required to deepen the fact-base. Unfortunately, research is currently hampered by a lack of funding for the next stage which requires at least a Miura, Daytona and Testarossa, and ideally a pink Fiat Topolino for the control group.
ooid said:
No one really would come and say something rude to your outfit in tube or public transport (Say you wearing a pair of expensive design shoes, or nice suit).. But somehow, people get this over-confidence in trafic and insult you, that's what I usually find it strange.
People seem to exhibit uncharacteristically rude and angry behaviour whilst driving, as they have a false perception of safety whilst cocooned within their car.Its only when this rude and totally unnecessary behaviour results in the innocent victim at the receiving end taking it personally and retaliates in a similar fashion.As the old saying goes ''it takes two to tango''!.
Schmed said:
RSVP911 said:
RDMcG said:
Of course there are many who have done well in the current connected world - some are immensely successful . These are not the people who are ranting against flash cars. I do not think that they are in the majority- just an opinion. However, even for the successful there is a blindingly fast rate of change due to the rate of technological innovation. You need to constantly re skill or be left behind.
The next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
I have to say I genuinely love your posts - they are always incredibly balanced and insightfulThe next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
popeyewhite said:
That's fine, but don't be astonished when some of the less polite regulars have words. It's sad, but it's the world we live in.
And let's be honest, you could be as deserving of the comment as anybody ?Clarkson always said that he didn't like open topped Ferraris because people spat in them.
I once got a parking ticket in a Lotus Elis because somebody stole my parking ticket ... but I got over it.
Wow, I didn't realise I was only allowed to take my car to certain establishments. Does anybody have a list of where it's OK?
I've very very rarely had any abuse in any of my cars over the years. And in fact, have been to Lidl a couple of times since picking up a McLaren a few weeks ago. It does attract attention, but so far all positive and people seem to appreciate that it's a lovely car.
I've very very rarely had any abuse in any of my cars over the years. And in fact, have been to Lidl a couple of times since picking up a McLaren a few weeks ago. It does attract attention, but so far all positive and people seem to appreciate that it's a lovely car.
davek_964 said:
Wow, I didn't realise I was only allowed to take my car to certain establishments. Does anybody have a list of where it's OK?
I've very very rarely had any abuse in any of my cars over the years. And in fact, have been to Lidl a couple of times since picking up a McLaren a few weeks ago. It does attract attention, but so far all positive and people seem to appreciate that it's a lovely car.
Where does it say that?I've very very rarely had any abuse in any of my cars over the years. And in fact, have been to Lidl a couple of times since picking up a McLaren a few weeks ago. It does attract attention, but so far all positive and people seem to appreciate that it's a lovely car.
johnwilliams77 said:
davek_964 said:
Wow, I didn't realise I was only allowed to take my car to certain establishments. Does anybody have a list of where it's OK?
I've very very rarely had any abuse in any of my cars over the years. And in fact, have been to Lidl a couple of times since picking up a McLaren a few weeks ago. It does attract attention, but so far all positive and people seem to appreciate that it's a lovely car.
Where does it say that?I've very very rarely had any abuse in any of my cars over the years. And in fact, have been to Lidl a couple of times since picking up a McLaren a few weeks ago. It does attract attention, but so far all positive and people seem to appreciate that it's a lovely car.
popeyewhite said:
Actually that's only part of the post, the rest you chopped off.
I do think if you turn up at Lidl in a GT3 you're likely to upset someone, so why do it?
I do think if you turn up at Lidl in a GT3 you're likely to upset someone, so why do it?
Edited by popeyewhite on Wednesday 4th September 18:36
Twinfan said:
DJMC said:
I guess it's deemed to be flaunting wealth in a vulgar way.
This, exactly. Turning up at Lidl in a £100k+ be-winged supercar isn't really appropriate in the context of the disposable income of the average shopper there.I'm all for freedom of speech and actions, and using your car how you want is obviously up to you, but I would suggest that the reaction the OP got is entirely to be expected given the circumstances. It does smack of a slight arrogance IMHO.
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