991.2 GT3 sell now or keep dilemma

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Be interesting to see whether the new GT4 will follow suit given its higher price point over the 981 but I'm remain unconviced and am speccing steels.

I would spec PCCB now on a GT4, I have 3 cars with them atm and they work and drive much better than steels.
ALso the steel disk are now £2k a paif from Porsche so not that cheap to replace now days, back In the day when PCCB failed quick, steel disks were only £150 each !! these massive 380mm ones are bloody expensive.
My cars also live outside so they don't rust or stick after rain either. and no steel hubs to look nasty after 6 months.

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

av185 said:

Be interesting to see whether the new GT4 will follow suit given its higher price point over the 981 but I'm remain unconviced and am speccing steels.

I would spec PCCB now on a GT4, I have 3 cars with them atm and they work and drive much better than steels.
ALso the steel disk are now £2k a paif from Porsche so not that cheap to replace now days, back In the day when PCCB failed quick, steel disks were only £150 each !! these massive 380mm ones are bloody expensive.
My cars also live outside so they don't rust or stick after rain either. and no steel hubs to look nasty after 6 months.

Although even at £1k a corner steels are alot cheaper than c £5k a corner ceramics.

Interestingly I have NEVER (touchwood) incurred stone damage from road use to a disc on any 911 but on a Cayman (GT4) , GTS and 981 Spyder have suffered 4 trapped stones ALL in the nearside rear caliper which would have been terminal for a ceramic disc. Luckily these cars had steels.

[430scuderia1]

What a load of twaddle...

Gen 1 was initially sold to drivers 'me' (pre bubble)... Cars generally where specced as the owners wanted them. Mine Black, black wheels, folding buckets PCCB's no cage.. Sadly I wrote the car off on a road and got my list price, £115k back.

Gen 2 - Post bubble - 95% specced by OPC's or their now preferred customers in flipper 'Carbon Buckets, PCCB's, Cage etc' spec. Dealers saying dont spec as you would want it 'steels, comfy seats etc' ....as you will never sell it and we won't sell you a slot again as we will never sell it..

Too many built to support said new customers hence a massive crash on the horizon to all those looking to make a profit! - People also bailing as rates rise.

I only want out as 812 super fast (built as I want it) is on the horizon and I need the £100 + K out of the car..

Edited by 430scuderia1 on Thursday 26th September 10:35

[breadvan]

430scuderia1 said:

What a load of twaddle...

Gen 1 was initially sold to drivers 'me' (pre bubble)... Cars generally where specced as the owners wanted them. Mine Black, black wheels, folding buckets PCCB's no cage.. Sadly I wrote the car off on a road and got my list price, £115k back.

Gen 2 - Post bubble - 95% specced by OPC's or their now preferred customers in flipper 'Carbon Buckets, PCCB's, Cage etc' spec. Dealers saying dont spec as you would want it 'steels, comfy seats etc' ....as you will never sell it and we won't sell you a slot again as we will never sell it..

Too many built to support said new customers hence a massive crash on the horizon to all those looking to make a profit! - People also bailing as rates rise.

I only want out as 812 super fast (built as I want it) is on the horizon and I need the £100 + K out of the car..

Edited by 430scuderia1 on Thursday 26th September 10:35

I don’t agree with the OPC influence, I didn’t have any from mine. I added PCCBs because the of the buoyant market and the freedom to go nuts with spec with little risk (for once). Of course, by definition, if you got a .2 allocation you had to be very familiar with speccing new Porsches.

[Porsche911R]

430scuderia1 said:

What a load of twaddle...

Gen 1 was initially sold to drivers 'me' (pre bubble)... Cars generally where specced as the owners wanted them. Mine Black, black wheels, folding buckets PCCB's no cage.. Sadly I wrote the car off on a road and got my list price, £115k back.

Gen 2 - Post bubble - 95% specced by OPC's or their now preferred customers in flipper 'Carbon Buckets, PCCB's, Cage etc' spec. Dealers saying dont spec as you would want it 'steels, comfy seats etc' ....as you will never sell it and we won't sell you a slot again as we will never sell it..

Too many built to support said new customers hence a massive crash on the horizon to all those looking to make a profit! - People also bailing as rates rise.

I only want out as 812 super fast (built as I want it) is on the horizon and I need the £100 + K out of the car..

Edited by 430scuderia1 on Thursday 26th September 10:35

I would say very few were speced by OPC, on the whole due to overs, people DID spec them how they wanted and the OPC's had zero input, that's def goes for the 10 or 12 owners I know with these cars.

They are not going to crash !! what will happen is their will be a bigger price spread over the cars due to Age, Miles and Spec as normality resumes.

The flipper market has been and gone on these >12 months ago !! people have NOT been buying to flip for 18 months !
atm we are just all owners and the prices are going down it's that simple, flippers sell when they can make £20k+ that's not been the market for a year.

the fact today is, if you want to sell that GT3 price it to sell at imo £117k and get shot of it, it's really that simple as long as you can find a buyer who likes red dials and pin stripe wheels so it might take a week or 2 over say a better selling colour and options which are in the main more accepted.
Sadly today it's not a £132k car and its still not a £125k car ! but at £117k people might over look the red crono clock to get into a cheaper car.

Not sure how you can call the market a flipper car now when they sell below list in the trade, flippers sell at top hence the 5 or 6 and growing by the day 991.2 3rd gen RS WP for sale already on del miles.

GT cars never have sold well 2nd hand with comfy seats going right back to the 996, it's not the GT3 market 2nd hand.
While a few GT cars now are comfort seated cars, these are not really GT customers in the main and 2nd hand demand Buckets, that's been the case for 20 years. Of course you will get 10% who do want chairs but that's always the case.

As I say it is what it is. A lot of people are in cars they want to keep atm and don't mine a drop of £5k to £10k PA to own one, that's still cheap VS other high end brands., if you need to sell you need to be more realistic in price.

[Cheib]

Yup on 997.2 GT3 the must have is buckets/CS...now it’s buckets/CS/PCCB on 991.2 GT3. It’s definitely not a new thing GT cars being so spec dependent. Just look at 997.2 GT3 prices.

The influence that OPC’s and Porsche AG have on spec is that the potential spec/box ticking list is so much longer and with more variables that of course the cars are going to be more spec dependent. As was discussed many times there are effectively five different basic spec 991.2 GT3’s with the variations of Comfort/CS/Touring/Manual/PDK so it is only normal that the price differential will be bigger than ever.

If I ever wanted to sell mine to replace it with something else I’d run both cars together for a few months first as I know it’ll be bloody hard to find a car with the spec I ordered or close to again.

[Digga]

Cheib said:

Yup on 997.2 GT3 the must have is buckets/CS...now it’s buckets/CS/PCCB on 991.2 GT3. It’s definitely not a new thing GT cars being so spec dependent. Just look at 997.2 GT3 prices.

The influence that OPC’s and Porsche AG have on spec is that the potential spec/box ticking list is so much longer and with more variables that of course the cars are going to be more spec dependent. As was discussed many times there are effectively five different basic spec 991.2 GT3’s with the variations of Comfort/CS/Touring/Manual/PDK so it is only normal that the price differential will be bigger than ever.

If I ever wanted to sell mine to replace it with something else I’d run both cars together for a few months first as I know it’ll be bloody hard to find a car with the spec I ordered or close to again.

Ten if you count the deviated stitching, or lack of within each of the classes you defined.

[430scuderia1]

Just sat in my 997rs ready for MOT..

st it has red dials

[RacerMike]

Obarks said:

Racer26 said:

If you are selling to go racing - go racing. Nothing compares. It's addictive.
It's also expensive. Be warned.

That is my current thinking! Ive done a season racing the Radical SR3 so I know all about costs. I just cant justify having a race car and an awesome road car (to the mrs) lol

Just be aware that JCW Challenge is super competitive and also they're not the easiest things to drive. They're very, very FWD and are hard work for the first few laps as it's nearly impossible to get heat into the rear tyres. Fun championship though, and as everyone else has said, if it's the GT3 or racing, you should probably take racing

[hunter 66]

Nonsense , OPC only suggested I tick the smoking option ( £ 38 ) and the timer . Rest was up to me . When he said that was the lowest option list he had done , I responded as yes I planned to use the car and was not interested in the next buyer . All a bit of a game , and yes only in the UK , we are a funny lot .

[chrisABP]

430scuderia1 said:

Just sat in my 997rs ready for MOT..

st it has red dials

Worthless Barry.....LOL

[Dr S]

430scuderia1 said:

Just sat in my 997rs ready for MOT..

st it has red dials

Looks like you are a real sucker for red dials

[Porsche911R]

lol We have found a red dial lover :-)

[Dr S]

Cheib said:

If I ever wanted to sell mine to replace it with something else I’d run both cars together for a few months first as I know it’ll be bloody hard to find a car with the spec I ordered or close to again.

Same here - now I do have a set of keepers.

[av185]

430scuderia1 said:

What a load of twaddle...

Gen 1 was initially sold to drivers 'me' (pre bubble)... Cars generally where specced as the owners wanted them. Mine Black, black wheels, folding buckets PCCB's no cage.. Sadly I wrote the car off on a road and got my list price, £115k back.

Gen 2 - Post bubble - 95% specced by OPC's or their now preferred customers in flipper 'Carbon Buckets, PCCB's, Cage etc' spec. Dealers saying dont spec as you would want it 'steels, comfy seats etc' ....as you will never sell it and we won't sell you a slot again as we will never sell it..

Poppycock.

Many so called 'true drivers' werent actually interested in the gen 1 due to it being PDK and relatively tech heavy with rws and being relatively 'digital' as opposed to the 'android' 'manuel' only 997 GT3.

If the gen 2 was post bubble, why did the first flipped cars sell for £180ks and greater premium percentage wise than the gen 1 despite the promise of effectively twice as many cars?

Very few were forced to spec a gen2 according to the OPCs demands, we aren't talking Ferrari dealers here. And IF any Porsche GT customer was conditioned into a particular spec it's their own fault for being gullible anyway.

But if you were subjected to onerous conditions re forced spec etc you are by far the exception and it sounds like you need to change your OPC.

[pete]

430scuderia1 said:

Just sat in my 997rs ready for MOT..

st it has red dials

Red dials make them faster. Everyone knows that ;-)

[Digga]

pete said:

430scuderia1 said:

Just sat in my 997rs ready for MOT..

st it has red dials

Red dials make them faster. Everyone knows that ;-)

I'd have though anyone who used to run TVRs would have an aversion to seeing even the slightest bit of red displayed on the dials.

[cayman-black]

I do prefer white dials but the red looks fine to me , not a deal breaker.

[Taffy66]

To the guys who have paid silly overs for the 991,2GT3s and equally others who have lost over £70K in six months on a 600LT,720S or 488 then i salute you sirs..!
I only wish i'd had been given a brain to create enough wealth to be able to take £70K hits on every supercar i purchased..After one hit like that i'd be well and truly in the doghouse..!
Does this make me less of an enthusiast, or just my natural abhorrence of wasting huge wads of cash compared to spending it wisely..This is why i bought a £130K 458 rather than a £250K new 488..

[f1ten]

I've never raced but done a few track days and it is so addictive. Agree like most have said- go and race and tick the box if you can. For sure gt3 and most other supercars will be cheaper in a year as we return to a more normal market.