Used 997s - How low do they go and what's selling?

Used 997s - How low do they go and what's selling?

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mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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I'm currently on the lookout for a 997 at the lower end of the market and I'm surprised at how little success I'm having getting any response from sellers, despite being a cash buyer. I will admit to looking at the very lowest end of the market, populated with base spec, high mileage 3.6 tiptronics, although I may save a bit longer for something 'better'.

Set aside today for firming up my choice and chose to ring up four sellers. None answered the phone and no one's rung back when I left my details.

I also sent five email/website contact form messages asking what I thought were sensible questions on basic information not included in ads, not even discussing price. I understand sellers often prefer a call, but a friendly email enquiry must surely be welcome?

I'm also happy to compromise on spec, but what's this end of the 911 market like at the moment? All the forums say don't touch this segment with a bargepole so you'd think sellers would be keen to engage with a genuine buyer!

g7jhp

6,961 posts

238 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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They were probably watching the rugby.

mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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g7jhp said:
They were probably watching the rugby.
Yep, some things are more important than cars!

To be fair, just got a call from one of the salesmen at one of the dealers contacted. I put my preferred offer to him and he's going to speak to boss man on Monday. The car in question has done 147,000 miles so you'd hope they'd be keen to deal :-)

g7jhp

6,961 posts

238 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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Don't rush into the first one. Make sure you get it checked by a good indie.

mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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g7jhp said:
Don't rush into the first one. Make sure you get it checked by a good indie.
Good advice - buying a 911 can be heart over head moment!

PurpleFox

424 posts

85 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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Are you only dealing with traders or are you including private sellers in your search?

How much are you looking to spend / what do you call bottom end of the market?

If you are on a budget then are you not best considering which car will cost you less to own throughout your ownership rather than outright lowest possible purchase price? Not sure what your budget is but you could easily get a nice 997 S with around 100k miles (private), with change from £20k, run it for a year or two and still be able to sell it for good money. On the other hand if you are looking at a bogo spec car with 150k miles from a trader, you will most likely not get back anywhere near what it costs you.


POORCARDEALER

8,524 posts

241 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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Bottom priced cars will be that for a reason....usually high miles, patchy history, cosmetically poor, VCAR register.


Put some context into your question.....how much are you wanting to spend?

mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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POORCARDEALER said:
Bottom priced cars will be that for a reason....usually high miles, patchy history, cosmetically poor, VCAR register.


Put some context into your question.....how much are you wanting to spend?
I'm looking at 997s around £20k and less, holding some funds back for proper servicing and the inevitable big bills once every now and then.

I have a car to p/ex but am happy doing a WBAC to give me some cash leverage and to include private sellers.

One car that was in the running has got now a deposit on it from another punter, but I wasn't going to rush in before getting details of the build spec and history. It turns out the dealer lied about the sports exhaust ("it's got flaps in it" turned out to be chrome tips only) and the "sheaf of paperwork" was just three invoices. There was no detail on the "minor blemishes" which turned out to be worrying rust and significant loss of lacquer.

A private seller wouldn't respond with details of a Cat C 997 - maybe they too have punters beating a path to their door?

Another dealer didn't respond to my request to disclose the VRM as the automated HPI check didn't link through unless I put in the VRM manually.

I'm in no rush and prices will only soften as the weather gets worse!

So

26,271 posts

222 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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mellowman said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Bottom priced cars will be that for a reason....usually high miles, patchy history, cosmetically poor, VCAR register.


Put some context into your question.....how much are you wanting to spend?
I'm looking at 997s around £20k and less, holding some funds back for proper servicing and the inevitable big bills once every now and then.

I have a car to p/ex but am happy doing a WBAC to give me some cash leverage and to include private sellers.

One car that was in the running has got now a deposit on it from another punter, but I wasn't going to rush in before getting details of the build spec and history. It turns out the dealer lied about the sports exhaust ("it's got flaps in it" turned out to be chrome tips only) and the "sheaf of paperwork" was just three invoices. There was no detail on the "minor blemishes" which turned out to be worrying rust and significant loss of lacquer.

A private seller wouldn't respond with details of a Cat C 997 - maybe they too have punters beating a path to their door?

Another dealer didn't respond to my request to disclose the VRM as the automated HPI check didn't link through unless I put in the VRM manually.

I'm in no rush and prices will only soften as the weather gets worse!
I wouldn't get hung up about sports exhaust, BOSE, sports chrono or pretty much anything else to be fair. Nice to have things (apart from BOSE which is way overrated) but don't exclude cars for lack of them. Buy on condition.

Spend some of the money you're keeping back to pay for a proper PPI. Unless you'r very brave.




POORCARDEALER

8,524 posts

241 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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mellowman said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Bottom priced cars will be that for a reason....usually high miles, patchy history, cosmetically poor, VCAR register.


Put some context into your question.....how much are you wanting to spend?
I'm looking at 997s around £20k and less, holding some funds back for proper servicing and the inevitable big bills once every now and then.

I have a car to p/ex but am happy doing a WBAC to give me some cash leverage and to include private sellers.

One car that was in the running has got now a deposit on it from another punter, but I wasn't going to rush in before getting details of the build spec and history. It turns out the dealer lied about the sports exhaust ("it's got flaps in it" turned out to be chrome tips only) and the "sheaf of paperwork" was just three invoices. There was no detail on the "minor blemishes" which turned out to be worrying rust and significant loss of lacquer.

A private seller wouldn't respond with details of a Cat C 997 - maybe they too have punters beating a path to their door?

Another dealer didn't respond to my request to disclose the VRM as the automated HPI check didn't link through unless I put in the VRM manually.

I'm in no rush and prices will only soften as the weather gets worse!
£20K will buy you an Ok car......there will be some realistic sellers out there as the market is a bit quiet.....if it was me I would get a nice 3.6 rather than a ropey 3.8


Good luck in your search

roca1976

566 posts

115 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Have you seen the 05 Carrera 4S with a 'comprehensive engine rebuild at Hartech Nov 2018 at 87k' - now on 90k.

Only 1 owner looks smart in grey has PSE exhaust, etc. Bit above your budget at £24,750 but does have £15k of recent bills (presumably Hartech invoice included)

Sorry I can't linky but do a search on autotrader and just put 'hartech' in key works search criteria.

thelostboy

4,569 posts

225 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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At that budget, I agree that you should almost actively hunt out 'poor' spec cars as it may put your competition off - focus solely on the car's condition.

If you are looking to tick the Porsche box, I'd urge you to make the sums work for a manual. The Tiptronic wasn't great in the day and is incredibly outdated against modern autos. A manual will always hold its value better as a result.

Didn't realise they were so cheap now, but what's wrong with something like this?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

carcrazypop

579 posts

164 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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thelostboy said:
Didn't realise they were so cheap now, but what's wrong with something like this?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Looks to be good value and I understand that Zuffenhaus are a decent Porsche Indy.

Definitely get a PPI done at a decent indy and make sure it has a borescope; being a 2006 car, it will come with the improved/larger IMS bearing.

Only downside for somebody on tight budget is that it will attract the larger car tax as it was registered after 23/3/06.

Good luck.




Edited by carcrazypop on Monday 4th November 10:46

mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Thanks for the responses, all great insights.

I am happy to compromise, hence accepting I might be up against a load of 3.6 tiptronics with big miles and few options at this end of the market, but it's clear there are some manuals and a few 3.8s around at this level too.

What I find hard to rationalise is whether the manual box is the one thing I should hold out for. Are there any tiptronic drivers that enjoy spirited driving on twisty roads with the box in manual mode, that might like to comment?

The higher tax is a useful bargaining factor. Again, I'm happy to play the "nobody wants these" line in negotiations.

It will be a daily driver not a garage queen.

carcrazypop

579 posts

164 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Would the black C2S manual in the Pistonheads link above be worth pursuing ? it seems to have most of your requirements.

mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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anonymous said:
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Point taken! Any defenders of the tiptronic 'box on here before I rule it out?

mellowman

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Monday 4th November 2019
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carcrazypop said:
Would the black C2S manual in the Pistonheads link above be worth pursuing ? it seems to have most of your requirements.
Yes, definitely worthy of consideration, thanks for the link.

carcrazypop

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164 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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mellowman said:
anonymous said:
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Point taken! Any defenders of the tiptronic 'box on here before I rule it out?
I think it really depends on your driving pattern; I noticed you said it would be a daily driver, so if that includes plenty of city driving and sitting in queues, a tip. might be worth considering as a manual can get tiring in stop/start traffic. It's not so good at spirited drives but it really depends on your use. If in doubt, try and drive both to see what you think.
Good luck.

PGNSagaris

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166 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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anonymous said:
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100% this.

mellowman

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352 posts

248 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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anonymous said:
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Happy to clarify, I live in the middle of nowhere, with zero chance of stop start traffic! NC500 is on my doorstep :-)