Used 997s - How low do they go and what's selling?
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Might be worth finding out more about the engine rebuild.
Mine is up for sale because my wife says I should sell it. So far I'm doing a great job of being out of the country whenever anyone wants to see it.
(3.6, manual, low miles, full documented engine rebuild, suspension refresh, new engine mounts, FSH etc etc).
Nice cars are out there, but you need to kiss lots of frogs to find a prince, or prise then out of the hands of owners who know what they have.
Good luck
(I would like to my car, but that is doubtlessly against PH rules)
(3.6, manual, low miles, full documented engine rebuild, suspension refresh, new engine mounts, FSH etc etc).
Nice cars are out there, but you need to kiss lots of frogs to find a prince, or prise then out of the hands of owners who know what they have.
Good luck
(I would like to my car, but that is doubtlessly against PH rules)
I guess the tiptronic is all about context. If you coming from a 4 speed auto in a car from the eighties, you may well be impressed. If you have driven anything remotely modern, you won't be.
Could you get paddles on the 997.1? The steering wheel buttons were something Porsche tried to hang on to until the cynical bunch made it a cost option for paddles, which everyone else made standard.
If the gearbox itself wasn't uninspiring enough, you were removed further from the driving experience with those buttons. Paddles at least give a connection when changing gear.
I'm also not a fan of the 997.1 PDK. Better, but still soulless with the lack of blip on downchanges. If you got the steering wheel with paddles you also lost the useful buttons on the steering wheel for other stuff. Annoyed me!
Could you get paddles on the 997.1? The steering wheel buttons were something Porsche tried to hang on to until the cynical bunch made it a cost option for paddles, which everyone else made standard.
If the gearbox itself wasn't uninspiring enough, you were removed further from the driving experience with those buttons. Paddles at least give a connection when changing gear.
I'm also not a fan of the 997.1 PDK. Better, but still soulless with the lack of blip on downchanges. If you got the steering wheel with paddles you also lost the useful buttons on the steering wheel for other stuff. Annoyed me!
Fast Bug said:
absolutely stunning... i would buy that in a shot, if it weren't for the fact that it's my car anyway... :-)mellowman said:
supersport said:
There’s nout wrong with the tip.
It came as a complete shock to me, but it really is rather good in it’s final guise just before PDK came along.
Care to elaborate? What's the best technique for narrow twisty roads?It came as a complete shock to me, but it really is rather good in it’s final guise just before PDK came along.
The box is very good at working out that you are out for some fun, and does a surprising job of spotting that you are heading into twisties so will change down on the way in and hold gears on the way out. In this mode it will change down very quickly and feels quite sporty. Plant your foot and will knock down a couple of gears and take off.
Just last week I took it out onto a favourite B road and it was an absolute joy, at no point did I feel like I was missing out. I had been on the same roads recently in my manual 911, so had a good comparison.
Clearly there is a big difference between a modern Boxster and 1980s 911, the Boxster is just so much faster. But as a driving experience it was just as good.
thelostboy said:
I guess the tiptronic is all about context. If you coming from a 4 speed auto in a car from the eighties, you may well be impressed. If you have driven anything remotely modern, you won't be.
Could you get paddles on the 997.1? The steering wheel buttons were something Porsche tried to hang on to until the cynical bunch made it a cost option for paddles, which everyone else made standard.
If the gearbox itself wasn't uninspiring enough, you were removed further from the driving experience with those buttons. Paddles at least give a connection when changing gear.
I'm also not a fan of the 997.1 PDK. Better, but still soulless with the lack of blip on downchanges. If you got the steering wheel with paddles you also lost the useful buttons on the steering wheel for other stuff. Annoyed me!
Pretty sure a 997.1 Tip has the buttons on the steering wheel. There's mod that's fairly common, google Porsche Tiptronic paddle shift conversion and you'll find several guides on how to do it.Could you get paddles on the 997.1? The steering wheel buttons were something Porsche tried to hang on to until the cynical bunch made it a cost option for paddles, which everyone else made standard.
If the gearbox itself wasn't uninspiring enough, you were removed further from the driving experience with those buttons. Paddles at least give a connection when changing gear.
I'm also not a fan of the 997.1 PDK. Better, but still soulless with the lack of blip on downchanges. If you got the steering wheel with paddles you also lost the useful buttons on the steering wheel for other stuff. Annoyed me!
I personally would stick to a manual unless you spend all day in stop start traffic
Some people like Autos, simple as that. Plenty of people have PDK and never touch a steering wheel paddle. I'm in the "nothing wrong with a tip if you like that sort of thing" camp. They still steer beautifully, you still get the 911 dynamics and it all happens at a more relaxed gate.
Some good insights into the whole 'auto box in a driver's car' thing.
My only experience of a Porsche auto was in a 2.7 Boxster, which I hired car when my TVR was being serviced. I was looking forward to some spirited driving around the Borders and was disappointed when I discovered it was an auto. In that car it seem to blunt performance and force you to work hard to maintain a decent pace.
However, the famed Boxster steering feel was very much evident and made up for the lack of shove and the pleasures of a well-executed gear change. You learn to manage the 'flow' in a different way that's less engaging but still enjoyable.
I'll have a drive of both manual and tiptronic 997s at the weekend, but I'm definitely leaning towards a manual.
My only experience of a Porsche auto was in a 2.7 Boxster, which I hired car when my TVR was being serviced. I was looking forward to some spirited driving around the Borders and was disappointed when I discovered it was an auto. In that car it seem to blunt performance and force you to work hard to maintain a decent pace.
However, the famed Boxster steering feel was very much evident and made up for the lack of shove and the pleasures of a well-executed gear change. You learn to manage the 'flow' in a different way that's less engaging but still enjoyable.
I'll have a drive of both manual and tiptronic 997s at the weekend, but I'm definitely leaning towards a manual.
I have a manual 996 and a C55 AMG- the auto box in the C55 is very close to/the same as the tiptronic box- mine has the F1 pack, so paddles behind the steering wheel. I think it’s great in the 5.4 litre V8 estate car, really suits the character of the engine and will hold a gear until you change it, even if on the limiter. It would totally change the character of the 911, and (for me) not in a good way.
I do think the auto might suit a 911 turbo however.
I do think the auto might suit a 911 turbo however.
I'm currently in a 997.1 c2s manual which I love. About 10 years ago I wanted to scratch the 911 itch so test drove a 996 at a local garage. It was a tiptronic which I thought was what I wanted as I was in a bmw 330 ci sport at the time ( and still have).
The Porsche was a big let down in my eyes. Felt too similar to the bmw (yes really) and out me off 911s for a long time.
Has to be a manual for me or a pdk if funds permit.
The Porsche was a big let down in my eyes. Felt too similar to the bmw (yes really) and out me off 911s for a long time.
Has to be a manual for me or a pdk if funds permit.
Dammit said:
I have a manual 996 and a C55 AMG- the auto box in the C55 is very close to/the same as the tiptronic box- mine has the F1 pack, so paddles behind the steering wheel. I think it’s great in the 5.4 litre V8 estate car, really suits the character of the engine and will hold a gear until you change it, even if on the limiter. It would totally change the character of the 911, and (for me) not in a good way.
I do think the auto might suit a 911 turbo however.
Hello, fun fact- it is literally the same gearbox! Hence the similarities, - Daimler/Benz 722.6XX as used in various other stuff of the era, hence the similar feel I do think the auto might suit a 911 turbo however.
Beers!
Double hello,
Cooking 997 3.8S owner here, manual 2004, 'melt edition', just bought on 112k miles, £17,5k, the black one on eBay recently. IT was bore scoped as good, usual issued with dirt cheap race car purchases; AC no work, window buttons intermittent, starter dicky, battery dicky, starter-battery cable dicky.., a bumper scuff, oil filler tube broke when I looked at it, charging @ 13.2v.., tandem pump rusty af, coolant hoses look old, .01 revision coolant header tank cap, engine sag to NS, stiff into 1st & 2nd, still got the cooking temperature thermostat..
Now there's two ways of looking at this kind of bargain basement purchase, the first is by civilians, 'omg its a catastrophe waiting to happen and will cost an arm and a leg', or the second, like people like me; 'now that sounds like a project; only £1500 in parts, (we shall exclude the stiff gearbox for the purposes of this exercise), which I can purchase over the next 6 months and fit at my leisure, probably purchase a few specialist tools along the way to facilitate the diy process, and have a nice daily by spring'..
THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
Beers! (and now wine, its a chianti 2011)
Cooking 997 3.8S owner here, manual 2004, 'melt edition', just bought on 112k miles, £17,5k, the black one on eBay recently. IT was bore scoped as good, usual issued with dirt cheap race car purchases; AC no work, window buttons intermittent, starter dicky, battery dicky, starter-battery cable dicky.., a bumper scuff, oil filler tube broke when I looked at it, charging @ 13.2v.., tandem pump rusty af, coolant hoses look old, .01 revision coolant header tank cap, engine sag to NS, stiff into 1st & 2nd, still got the cooking temperature thermostat..
Now there's two ways of looking at this kind of bargain basement purchase, the first is by civilians, 'omg its a catastrophe waiting to happen and will cost an arm and a leg', or the second, like people like me; 'now that sounds like a project; only £1500 in parts, (we shall exclude the stiff gearbox for the purposes of this exercise), which I can purchase over the next 6 months and fit at my leisure, probably purchase a few specialist tools along the way to facilitate the diy process, and have a nice daily by spring'..
THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
Beers! (and now wine, its a chianti 2011)
Bullet-Proof_Biscuit - that sounds just the sort of British Bulldog tale of derring do that I like!
It's that acceptance that if you want cheap you sometimes have to be prepared to do stuff yourself.
I've sold my old car now and have the funds! Going to look at one next weekend after having it inspected, which includes borescoping.
Will report back :-)
It's that acceptance that if you want cheap you sometimes have to be prepared to do stuff yourself.
I've sold my old car now and have the funds! Going to look at one next weekend after having it inspected, which includes borescoping.
Will report back :-)
Bought my 2006 3.8S with 50k miles on it and have done 25,000 mile a year in it and it’s on 134,000 now.
Clutch at 50k and one at 130k
Some usual stuff of about £1.5k a year and a windscreen.....
It might blow up, but in the meantime it’s entirely practical and makes me smile every time I drive it.
Can’t think of anything to replace it, as the cost to change to a 991 would be about £15k, for which I could get a new engine/gearbox and suspension Refurb and start again.
Clutch at 50k and one at 130k
Some usual stuff of about £1.5k a year and a windscreen.....
It might blow up, but in the meantime it’s entirely practical and makes me smile every time I drive it.
Can’t think of anything to replace it, as the cost to change to a 991 would be about £15k, for which I could get a new engine/gearbox and suspension Refurb and start again.
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