PCCB out braked the steels last night on 5th gear.

[Yellow491]

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Cant watch any more of that,how do you end up in first and second gear in those fast corners,a maca gt3 aint that long geared,or have i got it all wrong!
Need to go and get my racing gloves.

Some on this thread appear to be suggesting that F1 drivers prefer sim time to “real” F1 car testing time.

I’d suggest that if you were to ask any competitive F1 driver if they’d rather spend real seat time testing an F1 car through the Winter at Jerez, Estoril etc, or sat in the sim at Brackley, Silverstone or Woking, they’d chose the former.

Current F1 drivers use sims because they’re forced to , due to the FIA (in their infinite wisdom) effectively banning testing, ostensibly to reduce costs (which it did for the teams that had little or no hope of ever beating the F1 grandees)
But let’s not kid ourselves that sims are some kind of replacement for testing panacea. They’re not.

And to those it may concern, I wouldn’t worry about going off topic too much. This thread was already so horrendously derailed, that a another brief excursion off topic to discuss the cost of PC componentry was hardly likely to add or indeed detract from it ...

I bet you have had a sim for years slippy;),i can see you now in yur bedroom with a helmet on,not just race gloves.R Probably has the full monty on with race suit and boots

[Porsche911R]

When did Slippy last go on a track day in his car I wonder ?

[Porsche911R]

Yellow491 said:

.R Probably has the full monty on with race suit and boots

maybe so, but if you poo poo a sim you look a bit foolish imo in todays age.

a sim really makes you a more rounded driver, improves reactions and eye to hand coordination, thus making you a faster driver, it's that simple.

good drivers can sim, ave drivers are pretty poor on sims, says a lot.

I think a big reason today is EPS, it takes away a lot of feel so you need to rely on eye to hand coordination far more in a modern car with EPS. over seat of the arse driving where you have all the feel you need.

Is what it is, another tool to make you a better driver nothing more, but racing is exciting as Jay says, as it's with real people, real time and that's the fun.

[Slippydiff]

Yellow491 said:

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Cant watch any more of that,how do you end up in first and second gear in those fast corners,a maca gt3 aint that long geared,or have i got it all wrong!
Need to go and get my racing gloves.

Some on this thread appear to be suggesting that F1 drivers prefer sim time to “real” F1 car testing time.

I’d suggest that if you were to ask any competitive F1 driver if they’d rather spend real seat time testing an F1 car through the Winter at Jerez, Estoril etc, or sat in the sim at Brackley, Silverstone or Woking, they’d chose the former.

Current F1 drivers use sims because they’re forced to , due to the FIA (in their infinite wisdom) effectively banning testing, ostensibly to reduce costs (which it did for the teams that had little or no hope of ever beating the F1 grandees)
But let’s not kid ourselves that sims are some kind of replacement for testing panacea. They’re not.

And to those it may concern, I wouldn’t worry about going off topic too much. This thread was already so horrendously derailed, that a another brief excursion off topic to discuss the cost of PC componentry was hardly likely to add or indeed detract from it ...

I bet you have had a sim for years slippy;),i can see you now in yur bedroom with a helmet on,not just race gloves.R Probably has the full monty on with race suit and boots

Hi Paul, hope you’re well ?

The Living room :





The Bedroom :



The Kitchen :



The Bathroom :



I’m still coming to terms with my girlfriend having left me.

She said we needed to spend more time together. So I offered to buy her this :



But she said that “wasn’t what she had in mind”

I don’t understand why she just walked out on me. Most strange

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

Yellow491 said:

.R Probably has the full monty on with race suit and boots

maybe so, but if you poo poo a sim you look a bit foolish imo in todays age.

a sim really makes you a more rounded driver, improves reactions and eye to hand coordination, thus making you a faster driver, it's that simple.

good drivers can sim, ave drivers are pretty poor on sims, says a lot.

Well with your faster driving due to all your sim work, we'll look forward to seeing it manifest in real life at Spa.

[superlightr]

Slippydiff said:

Hi Paul, hope you’re well ?

The Living room :





The Bedroom :



The Kitchen :



The Bathroom :



I’m still coming to terms with my girlfriend having left me.

She said we needed to spend more time together. So I offered to buy her this :



But she said that “wasn’t what she had in mind”

I don’t understand why she just walked out on me. Most strange

chuckle well done.

[JayK12]

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Cant watch any more of that,how do you end up in first and second gear in those fast corners,a maca gt3 aint that long geared,or have i got it all wrong!
Need to go and get my racing gloves.

Some on this thread appear to be suggesting that F1 drivers prefer sim time to “real” F1 car testing time.

I’d suggest that if you were to ask any competitive F1 driver if they’d rather spend real seat time testing an F1 car through the Winter at Jerez, Estoril etc, or sat in the sim at Brackley, Silverstone or Woking, they’d chose the former.

Current F1 drivers use sims because they’re forced to , due to the FIA (in their infinite wisdom) effectively banning testing, ostensibly to reduce costs (which it did for the teams that had little or no hope of ever beating the F1 grandees)
But let’s not kid ourselves that sims are some kind of replacement for testing panacea. They’re not.

And to those it may concern, I wouldn’t worry about going off topic too much. This thread was already so horrendously derailed, that a another brief excursion off topic to discuss the cost of PC componentry was hardly likely to add or indeed detract from it ...

Nope, i didnt say that F1 drivers prefer the sim. I said Lando and Max sim race alot in all sorts of cars and events on iracing. They do it for fun even during the F1 season them too are always racing. Alot of pro drivers race on iracing including ex F1 drivers. David Perel is a good example of sim racer and race driver in the Ferrari 488 GT3 Blancpain helped ACC develop the in-game 488 GT3 physics and the circuits for bumps, cambers etc. Along with a host of other pro drivers.

Obviously that's for fun using there home rigs and at the team HQ the sim is not for fun and they'd prefer seat time just as i would but it comes at a cost so sim practice has its place. Its a reason why twentyoneperformace and simtrack etc exist to develop racing drivers through sim performance.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

When did Slippy last go on a track day in his car I wonder ?

Well as he doesn't go round lecturing people about how easy track driving is or how cars are like on track so it's not really relevant is it?

JayK12 said:

Its a reason why twentyoneperformace and simtrack etc exist to develop racing drivers through sim performance.

Racing and driving on the sims is useful I agree in many ways but it's not really quite like the real thing either though. A lot of the pro drivers I spoke to in 2015 after the Nissan chap who had the bloody nasty crash at the ring who was drafted in from being very good at SIM racing felt that background was directly responsible for that crash for example...

[Dammit]

SIM racing is analogous to using a turbo-trainer as a cyclist I guess. Sounds like it can lead to similar problems where you get someone who has developed a massive engine on the turbo then discovers empirically that you can’t learn bike handling in your garage.

[Yellow491]

Slippy the bedroom outfit is that for the porn channel,plus screens on the ceiling
Its all abit academic,as not many pro drivers on here,who would sit in there living room with race gear on.
Its a bit like indoor sport climbers and real trad extreme climbers,or canal kayaking and class 6 rapid running,you only really improve by doing the actual,others can be aids to keep fit and keep the reaction skills up together,or get a clue where the track goes if its a complicated track.

[Slippydiff]

Yellow491 said:

Slippy the bedroom outfit is that for the porn channel, plus screens on the ceiling

Several channels Paul after all, variety IS the spice of life

There's no room for screens on the ceiling, I already have mirrors there ....

Yellow491 said:

Its all a bit academic,as not many pro drivers on here,who would sit in there living room with race gear on.

It's a bit like indoor sport climbers and real trad extreme climbers,or canal kayaking and class 6 rapid running, you only really improve by doing the actual, others can be aids to keep fit and keep the reaction skills up together, or get a clue where the track goes if its a complicated track.

Yep, I reckon EH had been on the sim before she went out kayaking with you Paul, unfortunately the sim can't replicate the fact the water's f*cking seriously cold when you capsize into it in the middle of Winter !!!

I hope you got her to strip off in front of the snug fire and then rubbed her down with a nice warm, dry towel ???

[Yellow491]

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Slippy the bedroom outfit is that for the porn channel, plus screens on the ceiling

Several channels Paul after all, variety IS the spice of life

There's no room for screens on the ceiling, I already have mirrors there ....

Yellow491 said:

Its all a bit academic,as not many pro drivers on here,who would sit in there living room with race gear on.

It's a bit like indoor sport climbers and real trad extreme climbers,or canal kayaking and class 6 rapid running, you only really improve by doing the actual, others can be aids to keep fit and keep the reaction skills up together, or get a clue where the track goes if its a complicated track.

Yep, I reckon EH had been on the sim before she went out kayaking with you Paul, unfortunately the sim can't replicate the fact the water's f*cking seriously cold when you capsize into it in the middle of Winter !!!

I hope you got her to strip off in front of the snug fire and then rubbed her down with a nice warm, dry towel ???
How did you know that,we had the logs burning well;)

[JayK12]

isaldiri said:

Porsche911R said:

When did Slippy last go on a track day in his car I wonder ?

Well as he doesn't go round lecturing people about how easy track driving is or how cars are like on track so it's not really relevant is it?

JayK12 said:

Its a reason why twentyoneperformace and simtrack etc exist to develop racing drivers through sim performance.

Racing and driving on the sims is useful I agree in many ways but it's not really quite like the real thing either though. A lot of the pro drivers I spoke to in 2015 after the Nissan chap who had the bloody nasty crash at the ring who was drafted in from being very good at SIM racing felt that background was directly responsible for that crash for example...

Its becoming very close to the real thing though. That lad who went from gaming to racing was not using a SIM, he was playing Gran Turismo which is an arcade game. However GT competitions have been attracting alot of attention. Mclaren recently had a competition to find a well rounded Sim driver, through various rounds the fastest sim racers were dwindled down to one who now works at Mclaren as a Sim driver.

[anonymous-user]

Well I remember Lotus Turbo Challenge on the Amiga but this is clearly now on a whole other level.

What I noticed the most though, was the complete lack of g-force throughout the turns, even when compared to go- Karting (which is, IMO, more fun, at least than the Amiga).

But who needs to leave the house, eh!

[isaldiri]

JayK12 said:

Its becoming very close to the real thing though.

You reckon? I have to disagree there. There are people on iracing (and not just lando Norris!) that are pretty close to max verstappen I'm given to believe. I pretty much find it impossible to believe that if you put them into real cars (even lower powered/performance cars to even things up) they would be anywhere even close to the real f1 guys tbh.

[Yellow491]

isaldiri said:

JayK12 said:

Its becoming very close to the real thing though.

You reckon? I have to disagree there. There are people on iracing (and not just lando Norris!) that are pretty close to max verstappen I'm given to believe. I pretty much find it impossible to believe that if you put them into real cars (even lower powered/performance cars to even things up) they would be anywhere even close to the real f1 guys tbh.

That vid of the ring on the sim the other day,just shows it all,1st gear and all that,certainly no commitment of life and wallet.

[Porsche911R]

https://youtu.be/KbzJ9lVw0IY

nice vid, left foot braking , heal and toe etc etc


yep because that looks st lol !!!

it's a tool, not been in a real car where any one Thresholds brakes, or left foot brakes to any sort of advanced level to date.

most drivers drive to work in rush hour traffic, drive home again and every 3rd sunday take the sports car for a run out.

A driver that does not make.

IF you can afford 2 track days a week, and rent Bruntingthrope every month for drift training then yep all good.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th November 09:48

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

Well with your faster driving due to all your sim work, we'll look forward to seeing it manifest in real life at Spa.

already said I am slow at Spa, but I will take you out no problem, you can show me the right lines with your extended knowledge.
Lines are key 1st I have driven Spa once 4 years ago !
3 or 4 bends at Spa and being just a foot out on turn in ruins the bend. Get it right it feels easy, get it off and the bends are an arse.
you cannot master that in 1 trip.

I can show you a faster lap at Donnington if you like, a track I know a bit better.

I could drive at quite a high standard before I had a sim, the sims make me use senses in other area's to make me a more rounded driver, it also helps with lines and how to make a fast lap and what does actually make a fast lap fast over just an ave lap. ALso it's pretty handy on a new track to know the gereral layout and if a left or right bend is coming next, saves you 1/2 a day at least so worth it for that alone.

I have taken people out at Donny and been ok fast, then you click some times and find 3 or 4 seconds and drive much harder.
the difference is big from being 10 seconds off the pace to just being 3. But 10x the wear on the car and tyres than at that point inc. the risk.

I would never do a qually lap in a real car, it's too risky, pretty happy at 85% level in real cars, I see too many track off's in the normal area's to think screw being flat on that bend for the sake of 0.5 seconds. It is after all a track day. I am with Hunter how to treat track days in road cars.

I am happy with my level of driving for a keen Amateur and have nothing to really prove to anyone, I did all that 20 years ago same st different people :-)
it's a hobby now and meeting with mates who you don't get to see other wise. hence not done a track day for 2 years., I might not even have it in me lol

But I do plan to track the GT3 in 2020 :-) but might be in a Lotus as it's a 1/3 less cost to track one.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th November 10:12

[Slippydiff]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Oh dear, the pooh pooh'er got pooh pooh'ed, this could have grave implications apparently ...

https://youtu.be/QeF1JO7Ki8E?t=27

I wonder was was this pooh pooh'ing purely circumstantial or could we see the PH Porsche forum as we now know it, being totally destroyed ... by pooh pooh ??

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Well with your faster driving due to all your sim work, we'll look forward to seeing it manifest in real life at Spa.

already said I am slow at Spa, but I will take you out no problem, you can show me the right lines with your extended knowledge.
Lines are key 1st I have driven Spa once 4 years ago !
3 or 4 bends at Spa and being just a foot out on turn in ruins the bend. Get it right it feels easy, get it off and the bends are an arse.
you cannot master that in 1 trip.

I can show you a faster lap at Donnington if you like, a track I know a bit better.

I could drive at quite a high standard before I had a sim, the sims make me use senses in other area's to make me a more rounded driver, it also helps with lines and how to make a fast lap and what does actually make a fast lap fast over just an ave lap. ALso it's pretty handy on a new track to know the gereral layout and if a left or right bend is coming next, saves you 1/2 a day at least so worth it for that alone.

I have taken people out at Donny and been ok fast, then you click some times and find 3 or 4 seconds and drive much harder.
the difference is big from being 10 seconds off the pace to just being 3. But 10x the wear on the car and tyres than at that point inc. the risk.

I would never do a qually lap in a real car, it's too risky, pretty happy at 85% level in real cars, I see too many track off's in the normal area's to think screw being flat on that bend for the sake of 0.5 seconds. It is after all a track day. I am with Hunter how to treat track days in road cars.

I am happy with my level of driving for a keen Amateur and have nothing to really prove to anyone, I did all that 20 years ago same st different people :-)
it's a hobby now and meeting with mates who you don't get to see other wise. hence not done a track day for 2 years., I might not even have it in me lol

But I do plan to track the GT3 in 2020 :-) but might be in a Lotus as it's a 1/3 less cost to track one.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th November 10:12

Same old story as ever, you quote chapter and verse about being a superlative driver, and make every excuse why you can't/don't/won't/couldn't demonstrate your phenomenal level of skill at a suitable venue. If you are as good as you constantly state, what's the problem.

Surely someone of your skill would have no issue driving at 99% and keeping it on the tarmac?