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Has anyone started discussions with OPCs about the 992 GT3 and if so, do we think there will be a bigger uptake for the Touring than regular GT3? Also, is there any 'insider' news about the new 992 GT3 generally yet - not seen much.
It's hard to see how it will be better than the 991. What do we think will be different - how will they raise the game? Will it be 'worse' because of particulate filters?
It's hard to see how it will be better than the 991. What do we think will be different - how will they raise the game? Will it be 'worse' because of particulate filters?
Edited by 2010spy on Wednesday 5th February 17:49
Touring will sell more as the returns will be greater and DP's mates get the slots so more people will order them to flip.
I was told NO GT3 in 2020, that still rings true esp in peoples hands and only early orders will make spring 2021 so it's along wait.
others say yes to 2020 well an OCT launch so no cars for 2020.
that's about it.
I was told NO GT3 in 2020, that still rings true esp in peoples hands and only early orders will make spring 2021 so it's along wait.
others say yes to 2020 well an OCT launch so no cars for 2020.
that's about it.
Dynamically it will be improved....just because. Wider front track should see sharper turn in ?
Downside is it’s a 992 which I am not particularly a fan of and GPF will mean it just won’t sound as good.
I think the Touring will be popular because the rear of the 992 is so big/bulbous that I don’t think it lends itself to having a massive spoiler on it. The 992’s with the optional spoilers I have seen so far look pretty hideous to me.
But then I am biased as a 991.2 owner. I know everyone has got their favourite GT3 but personally I think 991.2 with that motorsport derived engine that revs to 9k rpm is a high water mark.
Downside is it’s a 992 which I am not particularly a fan of and GPF will mean it just won’t sound as good.
I think the Touring will be popular because the rear of the 992 is so big/bulbous that I don’t think it lends itself to having a massive spoiler on it. The 992’s with the optional spoilers I have seen so far look pretty hideous to me.
But then I am biased as a 991.2 owner. I know everyone has got their favourite GT3 but personally I think 991.2 with that motorsport derived engine that revs to 9k rpm is a high water mark.
Cheib said:
Dynamically it will be improved....just because. Wider front track should see sharper turn in ?
Downside is it’s a 992 which I am not particularly a fan of and GPF will mean it just won’t sound as good.
I think the Touring will be popular because the rear of the 992 is so big/bulbous that I don’t think it lends itself to having a massive spoiler on it. The 992’s with the optional spoilers I have seen so far look pretty hideous to me.
But then I am biased as a 991.2 owner. I know everyone has got their favourite GT3 but personally I think 991.2 with that motorsport derived engine that revs to 9k rpm is a high water mark.
Based on my time on road and track in the 992-C2s, I am expecting the 992GT3 is a good jump up on the 991.2 GT3 in this chassis, suspension area. In my time on track the 992 C2s is at least an equal of the GT3.2 (on stock set( up in this chassis area etc, Imv. Once the GT lot have done there stuff lower, bit stiffer, GT steering feel, feedback etc expecting a some worthwhile gains in this area. If the new GT3 does have the same engine Filter set up as what's in the GT3-WP cars and Speedster , then for me this is about acceptable. Downside is it’s a 992 which I am not particularly a fan of and GPF will mean it just won’t sound as good.
I think the Touring will be popular because the rear of the 992 is so big/bulbous that I don’t think it lends itself to having a massive spoiler on it. The 992’s with the optional spoilers I have seen so far look pretty hideous to me.
But then I am biased as a 991.2 owner. I know everyone has got their favourite GT3 but personally I think 991.2 with that motorsport derived engine that revs to 9k rpm is a high water mark.
APOLO1 said:
Based on my time on road and track in the 992-C2s, I am expecting the 992GT3 is a good jump up on the 991.2 GT3 in this chassis, suspension area. In my time on track the 992 C2s is at least an equal of the GT3.2 (on stock set( up in this chassis area etc, Imv. Once the GT lot have done there stuff lower, bit stiffer, GT steering feel, feedback etc expecting a some worthwhile gains in this area. If the new GT3 does have the same engine Filter set up as what's in the GT3-WP cars and Speedster , then for me this is about acceptable.
they just keep adding front track and bringing the engine forward :-) it's more mid engine than a 458 these days :-)makes you wonder how they got it so wrong in the 996 and 997 lol even though Harris says less under steer every model....
browngt3 said:
Will this be the last purely ICE GT3?
With the way things are going I'm not sure Porsche will deem it good PR to continue releasing purely ice powered cars. It wouldn't surprise me if the 992.1 GT3 will be the last. If so, it would make a compelling purchase.
Maybe, maybe not - but this is the 911 after all, and so they must just about be able to get away with one more version after this. Fairly niche in overall sales, so it will once again be the bean counters that have the last say.With the way things are going I'm not sure Porsche will deem it good PR to continue releasing purely ice powered cars. It wouldn't surprise me if the 992.1 GT3 will be the last. If so, it would make a compelling purchase.
browngt3 said:
Will this be the last purely ICE GT3?
With the way things are going I'm not sure Porsche will deem it good PR to continue releasing purely ice powered cars. It wouldn't surprise me if the 992.1 GT3 will be the last. If so, it would make a compelling purchase.
The way I understand it, due to the amount of EVs (OFFSET) they can use the current 4.0NA for good few years yet, though due to the high cost of the GT3 40 NA I don't expect to see it anything other than the high end GT cars.With the way things are going I'm not sure Porsche will deem it good PR to continue releasing purely ice powered cars. It wouldn't surprise me if the 992.1 GT3 will be the last. If so, it would make a compelling purchase.
A lot depends what they do with the gearing and dash
there are rumors the 992 might not have the short manual box due to co2 !!!
also the 992 dash is not very GT imo going a bit too digital.
991.2 def last of an era imo but so is every model some how.
but the 991.2 GT3 is the ONLY GT3 with a shorter ratio box in GT3 history !!! NO Petrol filters and still a real diff etc
only cars to have shorter ratios are the R and 997.2 RS models, never a normal GT3, GT4/Spy etc !
this for me is really a key point and why I binned of my GT4/ Spyder and will not order a 718 GTS.
I don't really care if the 992 is faster which it will be, the 991.2 is very much perfect and I don't say that about many cars if any.
A very special car with some key parts and no PPF I doubt the 992 will match some area's of that, but be better in others of course.
there are rumors the 992 might not have the short manual box due to co2 !!!
also the 992 dash is not very GT imo going a bit too digital.
991.2 def last of an era imo but so is every model some how.
but the 991.2 GT3 is the ONLY GT3 with a shorter ratio box in GT3 history !!! NO Petrol filters and still a real diff etc
only cars to have shorter ratios are the R and 997.2 RS models, never a normal GT3, GT4/Spy etc !
this for me is really a key point and why I binned of my GT4/ Spyder and will not order a 718 GTS.
I don't really care if the 992 is faster which it will be, the 991.2 is very much perfect and I don't say that about many cars if any.
A very special car with some key parts and no PPF I doubt the 992 will match some area's of that, but be better in others of course.
I hear (from a shared supplier) Porsche have been looking into technology that enables them to show a wider range of vehicle parameters and performance parameters on their 992 dash. The example we were shown included racing lines, more detailed grip circles and playstation-esque ghost cars.
I wouldn't bet on them making their dash more analogue for GT cars instead using the increased screen space to offer more data via graphics.
I wouldn't bet on them making their dash more analogue for GT cars instead using the increased screen space to offer more data via graphics.
Here is a link from a post on Rennteam which helps us to understand the legislative changes that challenge the current MA based GT3 4.0L and 92A based 4.0L engines.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/porsches-gt4gts-n...
From what I understand of the GT3 4.0L it is 6D complaint so good until 2023 however I dont believe it is G-Temp compliant so after the 992.1 GT3/RS starting production in 2020 & 2021 (production complete perhaps 2022 and 2023) the road for the 992.2 is yet unclear.
Dr Walliser is quoted in an interview during the 992 Turbo prototype press experience late in 2019 as saying the table was very much already laid when he took over the top job and hybridisation had been abandoned for 992.1 due to the costs of the available hardware although the architecture had been designed some years before to support the hybrid technology in at least the base Carrera/Turbo models (8 speed gearbox housing and space for a small Lion cell etc. He did say at the time that under his tutulage the 992.1 GT product would have some of his input learned from his time on the Carrera GT and other projects (likely systems related features, better TMPS, track app etc) as he stepped in before the 992 GT3 study was properly underway.
My take on all of this is that we will not see any significant architecture changes to the 992.1 GT3 over the 991.2 GT3. The improvements will mostly be mechanical (suspension, wheel size and tyre patch, axle width and small changes to RWS and WPAS calibration along with engine power and torque curves and outputs) and aero (larger rear wing, higher with 50% more downforce than 991.2 GT3, floor pan integrated diffuser with larger rear exits and 100% more efficnecy etc). There is also a strong rumour that the front aero will benefit significantly from a developement such as a S duct....
Any game changes that may relate to hybrid implimentation, 8 speed gearboxes, active aero and the like I dont believe we will see until 2023. At that time we may also see a halo product sporting a ICE 4.2L engine from the motorsports project.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/porsches-gt4gts-n...
From what I understand of the GT3 4.0L it is 6D complaint so good until 2023 however I dont believe it is G-Temp compliant so after the 992.1 GT3/RS starting production in 2020 & 2021 (production complete perhaps 2022 and 2023) the road for the 992.2 is yet unclear.
Dr Walliser is quoted in an interview during the 992 Turbo prototype press experience late in 2019 as saying the table was very much already laid when he took over the top job and hybridisation had been abandoned for 992.1 due to the costs of the available hardware although the architecture had been designed some years before to support the hybrid technology in at least the base Carrera/Turbo models (8 speed gearbox housing and space for a small Lion cell etc. He did say at the time that under his tutulage the 992.1 GT product would have some of his input learned from his time on the Carrera GT and other projects (likely systems related features, better TMPS, track app etc) as he stepped in before the 992 GT3 study was properly underway.
My take on all of this is that we will not see any significant architecture changes to the 992.1 GT3 over the 991.2 GT3. The improvements will mostly be mechanical (suspension, wheel size and tyre patch, axle width and small changes to RWS and WPAS calibration along with engine power and torque curves and outputs) and aero (larger rear wing, higher with 50% more downforce than 991.2 GT3, floor pan integrated diffuser with larger rear exits and 100% more efficnecy etc). There is also a strong rumour that the front aero will benefit significantly from a developement such as a S duct....
Any game changes that may relate to hybrid implimentation, 8 speed gearboxes, active aero and the like I dont believe we will see until 2023. At that time we may also see a halo product sporting a ICE 4.2L engine from the motorsports project.
FTW said:
I hear (from a shared supplier) Porsche have been looking into technology that enables them to show a wider range of vehicle parameters and performance parameters on their 992 dash. The example we were shown included racing lines, more detailed grip circles and playstation-esque ghost cars.
I wouldn't bet on them making their dash more analogue for GT cars instead using the increased screen space to offer more data via graphics.
We posted at the same time but I have read similar in an Australian interview with the outgoing head of 911 development. The comments indicated we would see electronic systems that would provide more available data needed for setting quickker lap times. I wouldn't bet on them making their dash more analogue for GT cars instead using the increased screen space to offer more data via graphics.
As my use for the GT3 is primarily track this is good to hear as long as teh systems are reliable.
To date I have had track app in two GT product over 4 years and it has not been reliable even till today. Instead I use AIM telemetry and video systems I move between cars and my contempraries are doing teh same (or Racelogic V2 HD etc)
Porsche911R said:
I don't really care if the 992 is faster which it will be, the 991.2 is very much perfect and I don't say that about many cars if any.
A very special car with some key parts and no PPF I doubt the 992 will match some area's of that, but be better in others of course.
The ratios are a good point, i agree it needs to retain the same if the MT is to be used. As far as the layout goes, when took in my 991.2 GTS and collected the 992-C2s coupe, for the first 100 or so Miles it was " Ah not sure I like this" A very special car with some key parts and no PPF I doubt the 992 will match some area's of that, but be better in others of course.
Then after about 3 hrs behind the wheel it all becomes instinctively very easy to use. Had a go in 17 Reg GTS last week the layout felt very dated. For me one of the best points about the 992C2S, is the 18 way seats not only are they very comfortable, but you can set the seat them really low like in the GT3RS, not be able to do this before in a none GT 991s, for me this makes the car much more fun on the right roads and driving conditions.
Porsche911R said:
A lot depends what they do with the gearing and dash
there are rumors the 992 might not have the short manual box due to co2 !!!
also the 992 dash is not very GT imo going a bit too digital.
991.2 def last of an era imo but so is every model some how.
but the 991.2 GT3 is the ONLY GT3 with a shorter ratio box in GT3 history !!! NO Petrol filters and still a real diff etc
only cars to have shorter ratios are the R and 997.2 RS models, never a normal GT3, GT4/Spy etc !
this for me is really a key point and why I binned of my GT4/ Spyder and will not order a 718 GTS.
I don't really care if the 992 is faster which it will be, the 991.2 is very much perfect and I don't say that about many cars if any.
A very special car with some key parts and no PPF I doubt the 992 will match some area's of that, but be better in others of course.
Your gearing statement is not correct.there are rumors the 992 might not have the short manual box due to co2 !!!
also the 992 dash is not very GT imo going a bit too digital.
991.2 def last of an era imo but so is every model some how.
but the 991.2 GT3 is the ONLY GT3 with a shorter ratio box in GT3 history !!! NO Petrol filters and still a real diff etc
only cars to have shorter ratios are the R and 997.2 RS models, never a normal GT3, GT4/Spy etc !
this for me is really a key point and why I binned of my GT4/ Spyder and will not order a 718 GTS.
I don't really care if the 992 is faster which it will be, the 991.2 is very much perfect and I don't say that about many cars if any.
A very special car with some key parts and no PPF I doubt the 992 will match some area's of that, but be better in others of course.
The 991.2 GT3 MT and 7 speed PDK have identical gearing (from memory but I can post a gearingchart later from my PC) for the first 4 gears. The manual is actually longer than the PDK in the last few gears as it has 6 gears rather than 7 obviously....
The gearing "rumour" was a discussion myself and another GT3 advocate with a great technical knowledge of the product were having on a european board which then was cut and pasted into a Rennlist post. This has happened to a number of discussions I have been party to on threads rgarding the 992 GT3. Infact in one instance a conversation I was taking active part in was hacked and proclaimed as "rumpored news" on a well known automotive online "news" site. This highlights how easy it can be for information to get fouled.
The discussion on gearing was around the MT box from the 991.2 GT3 and the 992 rear wheel 21" size. We know the rear wheel and tyre profile from the 992 GT3 as it has been photographed already from spy fottage at Nurburgring. The 992 GT3 that "broke down" at the Ring as a case in point.
Given the larger circumference rear wheel the effective gearing of the MT box if used in the 992 GT3 without changing the ratios would create LONGER gearing.
This is different from saying that the gearing will not be as short for C02 reasons.
If that were true then the PDK gearing will also be longer.
I dont see that happening whilst improving the 0-62 and 0-100mph time - and Porsche never make a car slower than the prior generation.
The most likely outcome is we will see the PDK ratios from the 991.2 GT3RS being used in the 992 GT3 PDK box as its already off the shelf. For the manual we can only hope that they engineer a shorter gear set for the box to accompdate the higher gearing the larger rear wheel circumerence demands to remain engaging.
APOLO1 said:
Based on my time on road and track in the 992-C2s, I am expecting the 992GT3 is a good jump up on the 991.2 GT3 in this chassis, suspension area. In my time on track the 992 C2s is at least an equal of the GT3.2 (on stock set( up in this chassis area etc, Imv. Once the GT lot have done there stuff lower, bit stiffer, GT steering feel, feedback etc expecting a some worthwhile gains in this area. If the new GT3 does have the same engine Filter set up as what's in the GT3-WP cars and Speedster , then for me this is about acceptable.
Apolo my experience and that of another poster on Rennlist (chris) whom we both know is very expeirenced in these matters both talley up with yours. The 992 C2S on the track with Cup2 tyres and upgraded pads and fluid is a weapon. Im an experienced track driver and I have to drive my pants off to stay a car length or two a lap ahead of a well driven 992 C2S. Thats in my 991.2 GT3 MT vs a 992S PDK of course as Ive not seen a MT version at the track yet.There seems to be alot of negative sentiment toward the 992 GT3 on this board but I cannot understand why. I guess Im party to a little inside knowledge which suggests that this car will be the same generational leap we saw between 997 and 991.1 GT3 and personally I find that very exciting. I did not get particualrly excited between my 991.1 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 (small changes all for the better including steering feel and lower down torque but nothing revolutionary).
Porsche are very good at improving theor procduct and ensuring it appeals to the target audience. Many will swear their 991 GT3 is a keeper for ever. But if we visit the forums a year or two later they are all driving teh latest car saying it is also a keeper!
But I guess we should get back to talking about residuals and must have options (PCCB etc) now :-)
Macca993 said:
We posted at the same time but I have read similar in an Australian interview with the outgoing head of 911 development. The comments indicated we would see electronic systems that would provide more available data needed for setting quickker lap times.
As my use for the GT3 is primarily track this is good to hear as long as teh systems are reliable.
To date I have had track app in two GT product over 4 years and it has not been reliable even till today. Instead I use AIM telemetry and video systems I move between cars and my contempraries are doing teh same (or Racelogic V2 HD etc)
I have similar experience with RenaultSports track apps. As my use for the GT3 is primarily track this is good to hear as long as teh systems are reliable.
To date I have had track app in two GT product over 4 years and it has not been reliable even till today. Instead I use AIM telemetry and video systems I move between cars and my contempraries are doing teh same (or Racelogic V2 HD etc)
Having used AiM and Motec in motorsport applications it amazed me Bosch and Conti haven't offered more tech like this for performance cars sooner.
All modern high performance cars have some form of IVC to integrate and control the Chassis systems. A simple user interface and graphical display could show some really sexy data. With some development and integrated post-processing it can be used just like AiM/Motec to help drivers go faster but instead of having to stop, download to a laptop and review in the pits, it's live on the dash!
I'd expect to see it offered as an option on track focussed cars very soon.
Macca993 said:
Your gearing statement is not correct.
The 991.2 GT3 MT and 7 speed PDK have identical gearing (from memory but I can post a gearingchart later from my PC) for the first 4 gears. The manual is actually longer than the PDK in the last few gears as it has 6 gears rather than 7 obviously....
The gearing "rumour" was a discussion myself and another GT3 advocate with a great technical knowledge of the product were having on a european board which then was cut and pasted into a Rennlist post. This has happened to a number of discussions I have been party to on threads rgarding the 992 GT3. Infact in one instance a conversation I was taking active part in was hacked and proclaimed as "rumpored news" on a well known automotive online "news" site. This highlights how easy it can be for information to get fouled.
The discussion on gearing was around the MT box from the 991.2 GT3 and the 992 rear wheel 21" size. We know the rear wheel and tyre profile from the 992 GT3 as it has been photographed already from spy fottage at Nurburgring. The 992 GT3 that "broke down" at the Ring as a case in point.
Given the larger circumference rear wheel the effective gearing of the MT box if used in the 992 GT3 without changing the ratios would create LONGER gearing.
This is different from saying that the gearing will not be as short for C02 reasons.
If that were true then the PDK gearing will also be longer.
I dont see that happening whilst improving the 0-62 and 0-100mph time - and Porsche never make a car slower than the prior generation.
The most likely outcome is we will see the PDK ratios from the 991.2 GT3RS being used in the 992 GT3 PDK box as its already off the shelf. For the manual we can only hope that they engineer a shorter gear set for the box to accompdate the higher gearing the larger rear wheel circumerence demands to remain engaging.
great info, I was only talking about "manuals" but will they make a bespoke manual gear set for the 992 , I doubt it, the 718 GT4's use an old one which is not only long but is torque limited ! Porsche use parts from backdated cars for years and years to save money.The 991.2 GT3 MT and 7 speed PDK have identical gearing (from memory but I can post a gearingchart later from my PC) for the first 4 gears. The manual is actually longer than the PDK in the last few gears as it has 6 gears rather than 7 obviously....
The gearing "rumour" was a discussion myself and another GT3 advocate with a great technical knowledge of the product were having on a european board which then was cut and pasted into a Rennlist post. This has happened to a number of discussions I have been party to on threads rgarding the 992 GT3. Infact in one instance a conversation I was taking active part in was hacked and proclaimed as "rumpored news" on a well known automotive online "news" site. This highlights how easy it can be for information to get fouled.
The discussion on gearing was around the MT box from the 991.2 GT3 and the 992 rear wheel 21" size. We know the rear wheel and tyre profile from the 992 GT3 as it has been photographed already from spy fottage at Nurburgring. The 992 GT3 that "broke down" at the Ring as a case in point.
Given the larger circumference rear wheel the effective gearing of the MT box if used in the 992 GT3 without changing the ratios would create LONGER gearing.
This is different from saying that the gearing will not be as short for C02 reasons.
If that were true then the PDK gearing will also be longer.
I dont see that happening whilst improving the 0-62 and 0-100mph time - and Porsche never make a car slower than the prior generation.
The most likely outcome is we will see the PDK ratios from the 991.2 GT3RS being used in the 992 GT3 PDK box as its already off the shelf. For the manual we can only hope that they engineer a shorter gear set for the box to accompdate the higher gearing the larger rear wheel circumerence demands to remain engaging.
if it's the same and the manual has 21" rears that's not great news for in gear speeds even if you do end up with 525 bhp.
the gearbox makes the 991.2 GT3 the car it is.
ALso for the RS are the front wing slats gone now due to regs !!
if I were tracking and after times and LOOKS I would want a pre petrol filter 991.2 RS and some trick after market parts, those are £185k now and then take it to Manthey and remove the PASM crap, fit BBS wheels and a liteblox battery with a full ti exhaust system.
as for having the lastest and greatest, I have had the new cars and sold them all, I still own my 987.2 Spyder, it's an iconic perfect driving machine.
I feel the same way with my 991.2 GT3, nothing in the 992 interests me. as I said, it's the ONLY manual GT3 set up with that gearing.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 6th February 11:55
Porsche911R said:
they just keep adding front track and bringing the engine forward :-) it's more mid engine than a 458 these days :-)
makes you wonder how they got it so wrong in the 996 and 997 lol even though Harris says less under steer every model....
Or you could just learn to drive a 911 properly instead? Clearly Porsche thought that it would be better to dumb down each itteration. Better for sales I suppose. Pity..makes you wonder how they got it so wrong in the 996 and 997 lol even though Harris says less under steer every model....
Macca993 said:
Apolo my experience and that of another poster on Rennlist (chris) whom we both know is very expeirenced in these matters both talley up with yours. The 992 C2S on the track with Cup2 tyres and upgraded pads and fluid is a weapon. Im an experienced track driver and I have to drive my pants off to stay a car length or two a lap ahead of a well driven 992 C2S. Thats in my 991.2 GT3 MT vs a 992S PDK of course as Ive not seen a MT version at the track yet.
There seems to be alot of negative sentiment toward the 992 GT3 on this board but I cannot understand why. I guess Im party to a little inside knowledge which suggests that this car will be the same generational leap we saw between 997 and 991.1 GT3 and personally I find that very exciting. I did not get particualrly excited between my 991.1 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 (small changes all for the better including steering feel and lower down torque but nothing revolutionary).
Porsche are very good at improving theor procduct and ensuring it appeals to the target audience. Many will swear their 991 GT3 is a keeper for ever. But if we visit the forums a year or two later they are all driving teh latest car saying it is also a keeper!
But I guess we should get back to talking about residuals and must have options (PCCB etc) now :-)
Hi M,There seems to be alot of negative sentiment toward the 992 GT3 on this board but I cannot understand why. I guess Im party to a little inside knowledge which suggests that this car will be the same generational leap we saw between 997 and 991.1 GT3 and personally I find that very exciting. I did not get particualrly excited between my 991.1 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 (small changes all for the better including steering feel and lower down torque but nothing revolutionary).
Porsche are very good at improving theor procduct and ensuring it appeals to the target audience. Many will swear their 991 GT3 is a keeper for ever. But if we visit the forums a year or two later they are all driving teh latest car saying it is also a keeper!
But I guess we should get back to talking about residuals and must have options (PCCB etc) now :-)
The problem I found with the 992C2S on track was the lack of noise, even with the Sports Ex option. For me I found it somewhat lulled you into a feeling that whist it felt fast, it was not like very fast. Its only when you look down at the very high speeds that it sees on the fast straight's, along with turn in speed and just how much of this can be carried though both the fast and slow corners that you realise the 992 C2s is a very fast car over a lap. I found that just after a few laps it gave me great confidence to really press on. With regard to the brakes CCBDs, think they have some sort of booster assistance now were for me the best so far on any Porsche car with CCBDs, albeit the cooling geometry is not the same as the GT cars so it required a fluid change after a couple of track days.
Agree it was small changes over the 991.1 Gt3 to the 991.2 one, for me the 2 main points were a sharper Map on the PDK, and the Torque being lower down, useful in the slow speed corners, oh and the next Gen of Cup 2s about 15% more grip and track life in my experience.
If the new 992 GT3 is as big step as what the 991.1 PDK was over the 997 one, then that's massive in my opinion.
Thanks for the Info Above.....
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